Anji wrote:The knicks have been switching everything for years.

From Randolph to Lee to Stat
From Crawford to duhon to felton

It's the dumbest defensive scheme ive ever seen in my life. Didn't matter if it was on ball or on screens or just simple off ball motion. We've been watching that Bull**** for 3years, I didn't just imagine it Nix.

I like the switch, but the key is to keep switching. You can't switch once and then fall asleep, it has to be fluid!

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Anji wrote:The knicks have been switching everything for years.

From Randolph to Lee to Stat
From Crawford to duhon to felton

It's the dumbest defensive scheme ive ever seen in my life. Didn't matter if it was on ball or on screens or just simple off ball motion. We've been watching that Bull**** for 3years, I didn't just imagine it Nix.

I like the switch, but the key is to keep switching. You can't switch once and then fall asleep, it has to be fluid!

I actually agree with Marb!!!!!!!! Ouch - that hurt to type.

Switching works if you combine it with a trap and follow up switches. Often I would see Shump or one of our guards forced to switch early in the shot clock and I would be yelling at my TV "Switch again ... Switch Again" and there were so many chances to switch for a big but they would just leave it!

Pissed the sh1t out of me!

mrKnickShot wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Anji wrote:The knicks have been switching everything for years.

From Randolph to Lee to Stat
From Crawford to duhon to felton

It's the dumbest defensive scheme ive ever seen in my life. Didn't matter if it was on ball or on screens or just simple off ball motion. We've been watching that Bull**** for 3years, I didn't just imagine it Nix.

I like the switch, but the key is to keep switching. You can't switch once and then fall asleep, it has to be fluid!

I actually agree with Marb!!!!!!!! Ouch - that hurt to type.

Switching works if you combine it with a trap and follow up switches. Often I would see Shump or one of our guards forced to switch early in the shot clock and I would be yelling at my TV "Switch again ... Switch Again" and there were so many chances to switch for a big but they would just leave it!

Pissed the sh1t out of me!

I am hurt too.

Switch is like quick sand, if you will step in it you have to be ready to live in it.

In rec league, I always force the switch unless someone sets a weak pick on me. But a good pick is set on me: switch; right away you're covered, it's a seamless transition. Fighting around a strong pick you can lose a shoe.

In rec league, as soon as there is some slack, I'll switch back if it's safe to do.

mrKnickShot wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Anji wrote:The knicks have been switching everything for years.

From Randolph to Lee to Stat
From Crawford to duhon to felton

It's the dumbest defensive scheme ive ever seen in my life. Didn't matter if it was on ball or on screens or just simple off ball motion. We've been watching that Bull**** for 3years, I didn't just imagine it Nix.

I like the switch, but the key is to keep switching. You can't switch once and then fall asleep, it has to be fluid!

I actually agree with Marb!!!!!!!! Ouch - that hurt to type.

Switching works if you combine it with a trap and follow up switches. Often I would see Shump or one of our guards forced to switch early in the shot clock and I would be yelling at my TV "Switch again ... Switch Again" and there were so many chances to switch for a big but they would just leave it!

Pissed the sh1t out of me!

The other team is playing too, you can't always stay at home, but the hard doubles and trapping we have gotten back to, the showing and getting back to your man is the way the way to. I think the Voice is much clearer these days with one head coaching and people see the constancy out of the whole team.

Like you noticed, instead of leaving bad mismatches out their we generally fight to stay on man or help and back. If you don't you get COACH talking to you like he did with Melo on Granger 1st and Fields in the 3rd.

Anji wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Anji wrote:The knicks have been switching everything for years.

From Randolph to Lee to Stat
From Crawford to duhon to felton

It's the dumbest defensive scheme ive ever seen in my life. Didn't matter if it was on ball or on screens or just simple off ball motion. We've been watching that Bull**** for 3years, I didn't just imagine it Nix.

I like the switch, but the key is to keep switching. You can't switch once and then fall asleep, it has to be fluid!

I actually agree with Marb!!!!!!!! Ouch - that hurt to type.

Switching works if you combine it with a trap and follow up switches. Often I would see Shump or one of our guards forced to switch early in the shot clock and I would be yelling at my TV "Switch again ... Switch Again" and there were so many chances to switch for a big but they would just leave it!

Pissed the sh1t out of me!

Switching isn't wrong, switch every single play is the problem.

The other team is playing too, you can't always stay at home, but the hard doubles and trapping we have gotten back to, the showing and getting back to your man is the way the way to. I think the Voice is much clearer these days with one head coaching and people see the constancy out of the whole team.

Like you noticed, instead of leaving bad mismatches out their we generally fight to stay on man or help and back. If you don't you get COACH talking to you like he did with Melo on Granger 1st and Fields in the 3rd.

During the MDA/Lin win streak the team had the right balance of Swithing and helping etc. It's not the case that the team is only just now getting it right, but as we know things changed with Melo's return. Everything is easier now without MDA and Melo having a war of passive aggressiveness towards each other. Why do you think the team defense was so great when Melo was out. It just magically improved!!! now Woody is in a great spot cuz he is the new guy and everyone is happy that there is no family feud now. Woodson has stepped into a situation where everything was setup great if he had the cooperation of STAT and Melo, which he has. Everyone is united and that peace has allowed him to just coach, which MDA really never had the luxury of doing. It's hard to keep your eye on the road when you've got to keep addressing a player breaking the plays or a Star PF not doing what he's told in basic Team Defense.

nixluva wrote:

“On offense, we have a little more post-ups, not a lot more,” Jeremy Lin was saying after the Knicks whipped Indiana, 102-88, Saturday night. “The defense hasn’t changed. We have all 15 guys buying in now. That’s the big difference.”
Close your eyes, and that six-game losing streak never happened. D’Antoni was never here. There was never a mutiny-by-lethargy. All is fine, except we have to be careful, because this team broke New York hearts already once this season, fired a coach and played a game no longer recognizable to anyone as basketball.

Reading is fundamental! People see what they want to see. The team is still switching and even the announcers mentioned it last night. Woodson used a switching defense even in ATL. As I said Woody uses the SAME defense as MDA. The real difference is the effort level to get over pick and hedge on PnR. Let's not forget that the team WAS DOING THIS, during Linsanity. The defense was great. The team wasn't as deep then, but the role players and Tyson did defend at a high level. It only dropped off when STAT and Melo came back. Then to add insult to injury Tyson then Jared missed games.

My main reason for posting counter arguments to the Anti MDA crew is that there are impressions and then there are FACTS. Woody has been here and a voice at practice since day one and this team has been working on the same defense all year. If he saw something that was wrong he clearly cold address it in practice with no interference from MDA. They tag teamed in practice. We saw that from practice film. MDA even let Woody help him in all aspects of the game other than D. There were no issues between the coaches at least. MDA stated clearly that they were not instructed to switch everything, but when you have lazy STARS it happens more than you want to see it. When you have STAT playing Matador D to the point that opposing team broadcast is doing slow mo of his moving out of the way, the you know who the culprits were for our suddenly poor D after they had been great on D during Linsanity.

Magically as soon as MDA was gone all of a sudden we see Melo Defending and not breaking plays, but instead doing everything MDA was asking in the 1st place. Dude is fitting in and not forcing it as much. Melo is actually using catch and shoot plays as designed rather than always going into ISO. Melo is giving effort on D to the point of exhaustion. He could easily have done these things before and it was his duty as a team leader. STAT was guilty on the defensive end, but Melo was being disruptive on both ends. One need only to look at the stats and it's clear that Melo was having a negative impact. The team was better when he wasn't on the floor and that goes for offense and defense.

Since Anthony returned on Feb. 20, the Knicks are averaging 109.8 points per 100 possessions with Anthony off the floor and just 97.6 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor.

Even worse, they are allowing 107.1 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the floor and just 95.1 points per 100 with him off the floor.

They're also shooting 5.6 percent better with Anthony off the floor. With Anthony on the floor, opponents are shooting 4.5 percent higher. Yikes.

Melo will have to keep up his effort level or else face some tough love from NY fans and media. The same will be said for STAT. They are fully exposed now. They can't hide anymore behind a coach as the reason for their lack of effort. All of NY is hoping they can keep it up, cuz if they do this team can go far.

exactly, I see the same things we did during the winning streak when melo and amare were out... the effort level has increased, plain and simple, key guys quit on dantoni, which is why I am happy I am winning, but still skeptical until I see more games..

So keep the pie charts and the press clips ready mister defender, your going to be reading alot of "unbalanced attacks" you don't like IMO.

I also find it funny that you talk about unbalanced attacks when you basically credit Woodson for nothing, it's everything MDA was doing and you claim a fight was breaking the team apart........... hmmmmmm nothing changed, we are playing great now??? CAN ANYBODY FIND ME A POST WERE NIXLUVA IN ANYWAY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A FIGHT IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. ANYBODY PLEASE FIND A POST WERE IT NIX THOUGHT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT MDA QUIT ON THIS TEAM BECAUSE OF PURE PRINCIPAL. THAT HE IS OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO THROW STAT AND MELO A COUPLE OF PLAYS???

Just one. Maybe a little of nothing out of MDA and he would have a job still.

nixluva wrote:

Anji wrote:You are so dense. I already told you, MDA quit and nobody cares about your pie charts. If the team loses you won't have to say a word, every media outlet will let you know that it was all Melo's fault. Like wise if the team wins the question falls on MDA and why he couldn't make it work. He has zero say though, because he isn't here.

So keep the pie charts and the press clips ready mister defender, your going to be reading alot of "unbalanced attacks" you don't like IMO.

I also find it funny that you talk about unbalanced attacks when you basically credit Woodson for nothing, it's everything MDA was doing and you claim a fight was breaking the team apart........... hmmmmmm nothing changed, we are playing great now??? CAN ANYBODY FIND ME A POST WERE NIXLUVA IN ANYWAY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A FIGHT IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. ANYBODY PLEASE FIND A POST WERE IT NIX THOUGHT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT MDA QUIT ON THIS TEAM BECAUSE OF PURE PRINCIPAL. THAT HE IS OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO THROW STAT AND MELO A COUPLE OF PLAYS???

Just one. Maybe a little of nothing out of MDA and he would have a job still.

You do realize that STAT has played most of his career under MDA and some of his best seasons were playing for MDA? STAT started last year playing hard for this coach and he was clearly on the coaches side repeatedly saying that everyone had to buy in to what the coach was trying to do.

I give Woody plenty of credit for what he's done so far, but really with just 3 games and one full practice how much credit do we give the guy for that? Is that some major accomplishment??? He's still got a lot of work to do. It's not like he's had a training camp where he fully installed a completely new offensive system. More importantly he's been leading the way on D since he got here. He's also been giving his input in offensive matters too as the top assistant. Woody was as much a part of the losing and winning the team did this year as any member of the team. If they won a title with MDA still here does Woody not get a ring???

This isn't about Woody and never was. I've been making the consistent argument that this was about STAT and Melo and to a greater degree Melo and their relationship with MDA or any coach for that matter. What's to stop Melo from eventually turning on Woody if things don't work out as expected? Woody doesn't have a long term contract either. If Melo suddenly falls back on his lazy ways and Woody gets on him, who's to say that they don't have some issues? It's been only 3 games and good times so far.

One TIME NIXLUVA, ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU HAVE BEEN FOREVER AVOIDING.

DOES MDA DESERVE FAULT (ALONG WITH MELO) FOR THEIR RIFT AND FOR THE LOSING????? OR WAS IT ALL MELO (AND STAT, SINCE YOU SOMETIMES THROW HIM IN)?

IS MDA BLAMELESS? because it sure seems that you think so.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Anji wrote:You are so dense. I already told you, MDA quit and nobody cares about your pie charts. If the team loses you won't have to say a word, every media outlet will let you know that it was all Melo's fault. Like wise if the team wins the question falls on MDA and why he couldn't make it work. He has zero say though, because he isn't here.

So keep the pie charts and the press clips ready mister defender, your going to be reading alot of "unbalanced attacks" you don't like IMO.

I also find it funny that you talk about unbalanced attacks when you basically credit Woodson for nothing, it's everything MDA was doing and you claim a fight was breaking the team apart........... hmmmmmm nothing changed, we are playing great now??? CAN ANYBODY FIND ME A POST WERE NIXLUVA IN ANYWAY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A FIGHT IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. ANYBODY PLEASE FIND A POST WERE IT NIX THOUGHT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT MDA QUIT ON THIS TEAM BECAUSE OF PURE PRINCIPAL. THAT HE IS OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO THROW STAT AND MELO A COUPLE OF PLAYS???

Just one. Maybe a little of nothing out of MDA and he would have a job still.

You do realize that STAT has played most of his career under MDA and some of his best seasons were playing for MDA? STAT started last year playing hard for this coach and he was clearly on the coaches side repeatedly saying that everyone had to buy in to what the coach was trying to do.

I give Woody plenty of credit for what he's done so far, but really with just 3 games and one full practice how much credit do we give the guy for that? Is that some major accomplishment??? He's still got a lot of work to do. It's not like he's had a training camp where he fully installed a completely new offensive system. More importantly he's been leading the way on D since he got here. He's also been giving his input in offensive matters too as the top assistant. Woody was as much a part of the losing and winning the team did this year as any member of the team. If they won a title with MDA still here does Woody not get a ring???

This isn't about Woody and never was. I've been making the consistent argument that this was about STAT and Melo and to a greater degree Melo and their relationship with MDA or any coach for that matter. What's to stop Melo from eventually turning on Woody if things don't work out as expected? Woody doesn't have a long term contract either. If Melo suddenly falls back on his lazy ways and Woody gets on him, who's to say that they don't have some issues? It's been only 3 games and good times so far.

One TIME NIXLUVA, ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU HAVE BEEN FOREVER AVOIDING.

DOES MDA DESERVE FAULT (ALONG WITH MELO) FOR THEIR RIFT AND FOR THE LOSING????? OR WAS IT ALL MELO (AND STAT, SINCE YOU SOMETIMES THROW HIM IN)?

IS MDA BLAMELESS? because it sure seems that you think so.

MDA didn't have any answers for this situation, so clearly he failed to get it done, but one thing I do know. When Melo wasn't there the team came together and was having a blast! They were defending and winning and playing hard for each other. You never once heard MDA blame Melo for not fully buying in or playing hard on both ends. He tried to make changes in an effort to get Melo going. When Melo was stinking up the joint did MDA throw him under the bus????

Now the passive aggressive fight that i've mentioned several times in my posts wasn't good on either side. It wasn't good for the team for either MDA or Melo to take a hard stance on things, but guess what, MDA was the coach and he's the one doing the leading. He sets the program and it's the players job to execute, not for the player to break plays and sulk or not really give max effort. In the end it's the coach that the players are supposed to be listening too, like it or not. So what exactly was MDA guilty of??? Was it trying to get Melo to play team BB??? Was he really trying to hurt Melo? Almost every player that has talent has excelled playing for MDA, why would he not want Melo to succeed? The only time MDA has problems with players is when they don't play team ball and give a solid effort. Most coaches would be the same way.

Can I take that as a NO?

He does not share blame in this fiasco?

Very wishy-washy answer (as usual). The anti-mda'ers can at least man up and say this was shared blame. I guess you would rather hang yourself for the cause than to put "real" blame on MDA. That partisanship, I believe, causes you to lose a lot of credibility with other posters.

You have many posters such as, Misterearl, Nalod, Crzydumpts and the Mods who have the ability to be opened minded. You can't - I respect your opinion and sticktuitiveness but disrespect your logical reasoning / ability to view things with an un-biased eye.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Anji wrote:You are so dense. I already told you, MDA quit and nobody cares about your pie charts. If the team loses you won't have to say a word, every media outlet will let you know that it was all Melo's fault. Like wise if the team wins the question falls on MDA and why he couldn't make it work. He has zero say though, because he isn't here.

So keep the pie charts and the press clips ready mister defender, your going to be reading alot of "unbalanced attacks" you don't like IMO.

I also find it funny that you talk about unbalanced attacks when you basically credit Woodson for nothing, it's everything MDA was doing and you claim a fight was breaking the team apart........... hmmmmmm nothing changed, we are playing great now??? CAN ANYBODY FIND ME A POST WERE NIXLUVA IN ANYWAY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A FIGHT IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. ANYBODY PLEASE FIND A POST WERE IT NIX THOUGHT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT MDA QUIT ON THIS TEAM BECAUSE OF PURE PRINCIPAL. THAT HE IS OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO THROW STAT AND MELO A COUPLE OF PLAYS???

Just one. Maybe a little of nothing out of MDA and he would have a job still.

You do realize that STAT has played most of his career under MDA and some of his best seasons were playing for MDA? STAT started last year playing hard for this coach and he was clearly on the coaches side repeatedly saying that everyone had to buy in to what the coach was trying to do.

I give Woody plenty of credit for what he's done so far, but really with just 3 games and one full practice how much credit do we give the guy for that? Is that some major accomplishment??? He's still got a lot of work to do. It's not like he's had a training camp where he fully installed a completely new offensive system. More importantly he's been leading the way on D since he got here. He's also been giving his input in offensive matters too as the top assistant. Woody was as much a part of the losing and winning the team did this year as any member of the team. If they won a title with MDA still here does Woody not get a ring???

This isn't about Woody and never was. I've been making the consistent argument that this was about STAT and Melo and to a greater degree Melo and their relationship with MDA or any coach for that matter. What's to stop Melo from eventually turning on Woody if things don't work out as expected? Woody doesn't have a long term contract either. If Melo suddenly falls back on his lazy ways and Woody gets on him, who's to say that they don't have some issues? It's been only 3 games and good times so far.

One TIME NIXLUVA, ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU HAVE BEEN FOREVER AVOIDING.

DOES MDA DESERVE FAULT (ALONG WITH MELO) FOR THEIR RIFT AND FOR THE LOSING????? OR WAS IT ALL MELO (AND STAT, SINCE YOU SOMETIMES THROW HIM IN)?

IS MDA BLAMELESS? because it sure seems that you think so.

MDA didn't have any answers for this situation, so clearly he failed to get it done, but one thing I do know. When Melo wasn't there the team came together and was having a blast! They were defending and winning and playing hard for each other. You never once heard MDA blame Melo for not fully buying in or playing hard on both ends. He tried to make changes in an effort to get Melo going. When Melo was stinking up the joint did MDA throw him under the bus????

Now the passive aggressive fight that i've mentioned several times in my posts wasn't good on either side. It wasn't good for the team for either MDA or Melo to take a hard stance on things, but guess what, MDA was the coach and he's the one doing the leading. He sets the program and it's the players job to execute, not for the player to break plays and sulk or not really give max effort. In the end it's the coach that the players are supposed to be listening too, like it or not. So what exactly was MDA guilty of??? Was it trying to get Melo to play team BB??? Was he really trying to hurt Melo? Almost every player that has talent has excelled playing for MDA, why would he not want Melo to succeed? The only time MDA has problems with players is when they don't play team ball and give a solid effort. Most coaches would be the same way.

Can I take that as a NO?

He does not share blame in this fiasco?

Very wishy-washy answer (as usual). The anti-mda'ers can at least man up and say this was shared blame. I guess you would rather hang yourself for the cause that to put "real" blame on MDA. That partisanship, I believe, causes you to lose a lot of credibility with other posters.

You have many posters such as, Misterearl, Nalod, Crzydumpts and the Mods who have the ability to be opened minded. You can't - I respect your opinion and sticktuitiveness but disrespect your logical reasoning / ability to view things with an un-biased eye.

You seem bent on reading only what you want to read. I wrote that MDA "Clearly failed to get it done". I blamed both for the Passive aggressive fight and how that hurt the team. The only qualifying statement I made is that a team is not a democracy!!! You apparently haven't really grasped that aspect of my argument. Just like the military, you take orders and you execute them. You don't pick and choose what you want to listen to or not. Why do you think they came up with the term "buying in"? Melo didn't do that and it hurt the team. He should've been concentrating on how he could help the team even if he wasn't scoring as he was in the past. Dig in harder on D. Set screens. Pass the ball. Be a leader!!! Now all of a sudden he's making an effort after he got his way.

I saw what you wrote (MDA) "Clearly failed to get it done" but then you contradicted yourself with "So what exactly was MDA guilty of?" - Did you realize this? So which one is it? I will take the former being that you re-posted it.

So, if MDA "Clearly failed to get it done", should he have been fired or asked to resign being that he clearly failed to get it done? Melo was not gonna get traded - thats just the way things are. The star always (almost always) has more job security. Kidd, Kobe, DWil, Dirk, Magic ... So, that being said, I imagine based on your statement (MDA) "Clearly failed to get it done", that we needed to move forward?

Erniecat wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Anji wrote:You are so dense. I already told you, MDA quit and nobody cares about your pie charts. If the team loses you won't have to say a word, every media outlet will let you know that it was all Melo's fault. Like wise if the team wins the question falls on MDA and why he couldn't make it work. He has zero say though, because he isn't here.

So keep the pie charts and the press clips ready mister defender, your going to be reading alot of "unbalanced attacks" you don't like IMO.

I also find it funny that you talk about unbalanced attacks when you basically credit Woodson for nothing, it's everything MDA was doing and you claim a fight was breaking the team apart........... hmmmmmm nothing changed, we are playing great now??? CAN ANYBODY FIND ME A POST WERE NIXLUVA IN ANYWAY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A FIGHT IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. ANYBODY PLEASE FIND A POST WERE IT NIX THOUGHT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT MDA QUIT ON THIS TEAM BECAUSE OF PURE PRINCIPAL. THAT HE IS OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO THROW STAT AND MELO A COUPLE OF PLAYS???

Just one. Maybe a little of nothing out of MDA and he would have a job still.

You do realize that STAT has played most of his career under MDA and some of his best seasons were playing for MDA? STAT started last year playing hard for this coach and he was clearly on the coaches side repeatedly saying that everyone had to buy in to what the coach was trying to do.

I give Woody plenty of credit for what he's done so far, but really with just 3 games and one full practice how much credit do we give the guy for that? Is that some major accomplishment??? He's still got a lot of work to do. It's not like he's had a training camp where he fully installed a completely new offensive system. More importantly he's been leading the way on D since he got here. He's also been giving his input in offensive matters too as the top assistant. Woody was as much a part of the losing and winning the team did this year as any member of the team. If they won a title with MDA still here does Woody not get a ring???

This isn't about Woody and never was. I've been making the consistent argument that this was about STAT and Melo and to a greater degree Melo and their relationship with MDA or any coach for that matter. What's to stop Melo from eventually turning on Woody if things don't work out as expected? Woody doesn't have a long term contract either. If Melo suddenly falls back on his lazy ways and Woody gets on him, who's to say that they don't have some issues? It's been only 3 games and good times so far.

One TIME NIXLUVA, ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU HAVE BEEN FOREVER AVOIDING.

DOES MDA DESERVE FAULT (ALONG WITH MELO) FOR THEIR RIFT AND FOR THE LOSING????? OR WAS IT ALL MELO (AND STAT, SINCE YOU SOMETIMES THROW HIM IN)?

IS MDA BLAMELESS? because it sure seems that you think so.

MDA didn't have any answers for this situation, so clearly he failed to get it done, but one thing I do know. When Melo wasn't there the team came together and was having a blast! They were defending and winning and playing hard for each other. You never once heard MDA blame Melo for not fully buying in or playing hard on both ends. He tried to make changes in an effort to get Melo going. When Melo was stinking up the joint did MDA throw him under the bus????

Now the passive aggressive fight that i've mentioned several times in my posts wasn't good on either side. It wasn't good for the team for either MDA or Melo to take a hard stance on things, but guess what, MDA was the coach and he's the one doing the leading. He sets the program and it's the players job to execute, not for the player to break plays and sulk or not really give max effort. In the end it's the coach that the players are supposed to be listening too, like it or not. So what exactly was MDA guilty of??? Was it trying to get Melo to play team BB??? Was he really trying to hurt Melo? Almost every player that has talent has excelled playing for MDA, why would he not want Melo to succeed? The only time MDA has problems with players is when they don't play team ball and give a solid effort. Most coaches would be the same way.

Can I take that as a NO?

He does not share blame in this fiasco?

Very wishy-washy answer (as usual). The anti-mda'ers can at least man up and say this was shared blame. I guess you would rather hang yourself for the cause that to put "real" blame on MDA. That partisanship, I believe, causes you to lose a lot of credibility with other posters.

You have many posters such as, Misterearl, Nalod, Crzydumpts and the Mods who have the ability to be opened minded. You can't - I respect your opinion and sticktuitiveness but disrespect your logical reasoning / ability to view things with an un-biased eye.

You seem bent on reading only what you want to read. I wrote that MDA "Clearly failed to get it done". I blamed both for the Passive aggressive fight and how that hurt the team. The only qualifying statement I made is that a team is not a democracy!!! You apparently haven't really grasped that aspect of my argument. Just like the military, you take orders and you execute them. You don't pick and choose what you want to listen to or not. Why do you think they came up with the term "buying in"? Melo didn't do that and it hurt the team. He should've been concentrating on how he could help the team even if he wasn't scoring as he was in the past. Dig in harder on D. Set screens. Pass the ball. Be a leader!!! Now all of a sudden he's making an effort after he got his way.

I saw what you wrote "Clearly failed to get it done" but then you contradicted yourself with "So what exactly was MDA guilty of?" - Did you realize this? So which one is it? I will take the former being that you re-posted it.

So, if MDA "Clearly failed to get it done", should he have been fired or asked to resign being that he clearly failed to get it done? Melo was not gonna get traded - thats just the way things are. The star always (almost always) has more job security. Kidd, Kobe, DWil, Dirk, Magic ... So, that being said, I imagine based on your statement (MDA) "Clearly failed to get it done", that we needed to move forward?

MDA's job was to successfully coach a Knicks team that included Melo. And for whatever reason, and whoever was to blame, he could not do that effectively.

Very well put.

And, the problems were not just Melo. It was Stat, Fields, Shumpert and even Lin to a small extent when teams started to take him out of his game a bit. MDA had a hard time adjusting. Of course, Melo did not help and was part of the problem, but MDA shares blame in that. It was MDA failing to adjust to a system that included Melo and Melo failing to adjust to MDA's system even though he was an ill fit. It was Stat playing horrible all season and rebounding like a girl and at the same time it was MDA not holding Stat or Melo accountable.

The Linsanity 10 games were magic but there are many contributors to the end of it, including MELO, the schedule and teams figuring Lin out a bit. Also Linsanity had JJ while post Linsanity did not.

Woodson seems to want to hold everyone accountable, Stat, Melo and even Precious Lin, who by the way, is a very good player and he will continue to shine because he is a very good player. Not because he was in MDA system and as people stated, "he is dead without MDA and his system".