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Why is so many people on this forum hating on Melo?? Like it or not this is his team. Get use to it!!
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GustavBahler
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3/18/2012  1:20 AM
ShellTopAdidas wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ShellTopAdidas wrote:
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ShellTopAdidas wrote:The only thing Melo has managed to do since he's been here was get the coach fired. Other than that, he hasn't been worth there price we paid for him.

Neither was the coach.


MDA had no support from the owner, neither did Walsh even after he cleaned up the mess that Dolan let Isaiah Thomas put us in. He was in a lose lose situation.

If you really believe that Dolan didn't give him a fair shot then it was a waste of time and money to hire such an expensive and high profile coach. So let's move on and hope that our new coach gets a fair chance to succeed. He's doing a great job so far and we should focus on that and not on someone who isn't here anymore. That's what I plan on doing.


Your right and I will, but I'm afraid as soon as I fall in love with what Knicks doing, the rug is going to be pulled from under me, AGAIN! And for the record, I doubt seriously that Woody going to be here even if he's winning. Not high profile enough.

Its definitely possible, after all its Jimmy Dolan we're talking about. I hope if Woody makes some waves in the playoffs that the positive press and the increased revenue will change his mind. You're right, he could go after another high profile coach. I hope he is high profile enough to have a "Dolan keep your chubby little fingers out of my business clause."

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3/18/2012  1:24 AM
Syniko wrote:The point is, Knicks don't need Melo to win games. that's the bottom line. That is all we're saying. Melo can have some off-day all he wants and Knicks will still win games. Screaming A. Smith thinks Melo is winning games for Knicks and doesn't bother crediting other Knicks players for their efforts. He's got his tongue so far up Melo's ass.

GTFO

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3/18/2012  1:28 AM
anyone who thinks that melo isn't one of the two most important players on this team is insane.

and anyone who doesn't realize that the other of those most important players is tyson chandler is straight up basketball ignorant.

i love jeremy lin and he's in a very good place to succeed here and i hope he does, but this team would not be winning without... THE REST OF THE TEAM.

this is one of the deepest teams in the nba right now. why can't you guys just enjoy it.

any poster here who thinks this team, this year or next year or beyond, is going anywhere without melo playing a major role is crazy.

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3/18/2012  1:34 AM
Triple threat, I feel sorry for you. Things are going well right now and you don't seem to be enjoying it very much. If you were we wouldn't be going over this ground over and over again. I'm not going to try and rationalize every bad decision that Melo made and he has definitely made his share of them. He's not alone. All I want to do is focus on what they're doing now and that includes Melo. And right now he's doing and saying the right things. Hopefully that will continue.

I believe that Melo knows that he now has a rep as a coach killer and from the way he has been defending himself, he doesn't like it. He knows that if he has another run in with a coach his reputation will take a hit that he probably won't recover from. I believe Melo still has a chance to repair his image (not to mention help the team) if he keeps what he's doing what he' doing except for the poor shooting pct. You're right, he wasn't always the best teammate and player. Some will argue that he never was but its an argument I really don't want to have because we've been there already, ad nauseum.

Lets see how long it lasts and enjoy the fact that he is at the very least trying to do the right thing. We're winning games, the team looks great, we have a deep bench. Good time to be a Knicks fan.

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3/18/2012  2:35 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Syniko wrote:The point is, Knicks don't need Melo to win games. that's the bottom line. That is all we're saying. Melo can have some off-day all he wants and Knicks will still win games. Screaming A. Smith thinks Melo is winning games for Knicks and doesn't bother crediting other Knicks players for their efforts. He's got his tongue so far up Melo's ass.

GTFO

Why? I'm just telling the truth here.

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3/18/2012  3:37 AM
he's in the worst shape of his career and didn't decide to start playing D until the coaching change. talent level off the charts which makes his efforts until now frustrating.
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3/18/2012  5:00 AM
ShellTopAdidas wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ShellTopAdidas wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ShellTopAdidas wrote:The only thing Melo has managed to do since he's been here was get the coach fired. Other than that, he hasn't been worth there price we paid for him.

Neither was the coach.


MDA had no support from the owner, neither did Walsh even after he cleaned up the mess that Dolan let Isaiah Thomas put us in. He was in a lose lose situation.

If you really believe that Dolan didn't give him a fair shot then it was a waste of time and money to hire such an expensive and high profile coach. So let's move on and hope that our new coach gets a fair chance to succeed. He's doing a great job so far and we should focus on that and not on someone who isn't here anymore. That's what I plan on doing.


Your right and I will, but I'm afraid as soon as I fall in love with what Knicks doing, the rug is going to be pulled from under me, AGAIN! And for the record, I doubt seriously that Woody going to be here even if he's winning. Not high profile enough.

Lakers hired a two time champion Rudy tomjanovic as soon as Phil Jackson said he was coming back to coaching they said good bye to Rudy. If you are asking to choose between Woody and Phil I think it is a no brainier.

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3/18/2012  3:50 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I'm getting a little sick and tired of the Melo Haters knocking every thing this man is doing. If we want a championship we will need Melo no matter how you feel. I do believe that with some it's not about winning a championship because if you had a choice of Melo being gone and not having a chance of a Championship you would just rather loose. Listen I like Lins game but if he makes Melo unhappy you better believe Lin will sit. And the crap about him ignoring Melo on the court is totally wrong. Cut the man some slack. If Melo had to take a piss some of you would find something to complain about that. The Chemistry with the team is good. Let it alone

Well Said!

Couldn't agree with you more 199%
Melo has bad bad poor season. If that wasn't the case highlighting his poor play and some bad court decision
this career ppg/avg 27pt if Melo was playing like 1/2 his career totals we'd not be talking about.
Same goes for Amare 'zilch' Stoudemire season which seems to be coming along positively & finally.

The haters would vanish, NY would be 6-7 over .500 and we may have had this coach finish the yr.
Melo got no credit for facing the fire storms and answer all interviews never running away from the heat.
That's stand up guy to me, as a knick fan

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3/18/2012  3:57 PM
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Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I'm getting a little sick and tired of the Melo Haters knocking every thing this man is doing. If we want a championship we will need Melo no matter how you feel. I do believe that with some it's not about winning a championship because if you had a choice of Melo being gone and not having a chance of a Championship you would just rather loose. Listen I like Lins game but if he makes Melo unhappy you better believe Lin will sit. And the crap about him ignoring Melo on the court is totally wrong. Cut the man some slack. If Melo had to take a piss some of you would find something to complain about that. The Chemistry with the team is good. Let it alone

Well Said!

Couldn't agree with you more 199%
Melo has bad bad poor season. If that wasn't the case highlighting his poor play and some bad court decision
this career ppg/avg 27pt if Melo was playing like 1/2 his career totals we'd not be talking about.
Same goes for Amare 'zilch' Stoudemire season which seems to be coming along positively & finally.

The haters would vanish, NY would be 6-7 over .500 and we may have had this coach finish the yr.
Melo got no credit for facing the fire storms and answer all interviews never running away from the heat.
That's stand up guy to me, as a knick fan

Yes! I remember all the years they KILLED!! Eli Manning. How bad of a trade we made with SD. He just has such bad awwww shucks expressions blah blah blah

He dealt with this crap everyday and never said anything in the media and handled himself with class while the brutal NY fans killed him (as they did Ewing relentlessly).

Lotta haters in NY and there always will be. And, the only way to appease them is to win it all. Just ask Eli Manning. NY fans woulda traded him back for Philip Rivers in a heartbeat. Now? Maybe not. Oh sure - now they'd say "I always loved Eli - I never did not like him I just wanted him to play better and show that he cared more"

Same sh1t different player.

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3/18/2012  4:25 PM
crzymdups wrote:anyone who thinks that melo isn't one of the two most important players on this team is insane.

and anyone who doesn't realize that the other of those most important players is tyson chandler is straight up basketball ignorant.

i love jeremy lin and he's in a very good place to succeed here and i hope he does, but this team would not be winning without... THE REST OF THE TEAM.

this is one of the deepest teams in the nba right now. why can't you guys just enjoy it.

any poster here who thinks this team, this year or next year or beyond, is going anywhere without melo playing a major role is crazy.

Just replay the 4th Q when Lin was getting into the paint with ease. The reason he was able to penetrate to the hoop was because he was playing P-N-R with Melo. The defense couldn't leave Melo to trap Lin which allowed Lin to get into the lane unharrassed. Even when he's not scoring, Melo's presence opens it up for everyone else.

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3/18/2012  4:32 PM
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crzymdups wrote:anyone who thinks that melo isn't one of the two most important players on this team is insane.

and anyone who doesn't realize that the other of those most important players is tyson chandler is straight up basketball ignorant.

i love jeremy lin and he's in a very good place to succeed here and i hope he does, but this team would not be winning without... THE REST OF THE TEAM.

this is one of the deepest teams in the nba right now. why can't you guys just enjoy it.

any poster here who thinks this team, this year or next year or beyond, is going anywhere without melo playing a major role is crazy.

Just replay the 4th Q when Lin was getting into the paint with ease. The reason he was able to penetrate to the hoop was because he was playing P-N-R with Melo. The defense couldn't leave Melo to trap Lin which allowed Lin to get into the lane unharrassed. Even when he's not scoring, Melo's presence opens it up for everyone else.

Great Point!

I brought this up with some of my arguments with Nixluva but he just chose to not respond. Probably becasue there was really no reason that this should not have been part of the offense.

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3/18/2012  6:58 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:anyone who thinks that melo isn't one of the two most important players on this team is insane.

and anyone who doesn't realize that the other of those most important players is tyson chandler is straight up basketball ignorant.

i love jeremy lin and he's in a very good place to succeed here and i hope he does, but this team would not be winning without... THE REST OF THE TEAM.

this is one of the deepest teams in the nba right now. why can't you guys just enjoy it.

any poster here who thinks this team, this year or next year or beyond, is going anywhere without melo playing a major role is crazy.

Just replay the 4th Q when Lin was getting into the paint with ease. The reason he was able to penetrate to the hoop was because he was playing P-N-R with Melo. The defense couldn't leave Melo to trap Lin which allowed Lin to get into the lane unharrassed. Even when he's not scoring, Melo's presence opens it up for everyone else.

Great Point!

I brought this up with some of my arguments with Nixluva but he just chose to not respond. Probably becasue there was really no reason that this should not have been part of the offense.


Let guess, we always run Lin melo pick and roll or it was always an option, nothings changed.........MDA balls (gag)
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3/18/2012  9:17 PM
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GustavBahler wrote:Lately his offense hasn't been there but the rest of his game has been solid for the most part. Melo is sharing the rock, playing D and playing hard. If you're going to point out what he is doing wrong there is no reason why you can't point out what he's doing right.


I think that's a very fair point. Melo is trying harder on D the last three games and is obviously working much harder than he has in previous games to bring energy and urgency to his game and consider the other players around him. No doubt in my mind, with a focused and driven Melo, this team can go far. That's a fair point.

Now it's your turn to flip it around on the other side, for the sake of fairness. Where was this effort before? Because I think that's just as important for the Knick's fighting for a playoff spot.

It shouldn't take a new coach to get the ALPHA DOG TEAM LEADER to put in effort on the floor. That's poor leadership. And it's f**king disrespectful to the many hard working loyal Knicks fans out there. I'm talking about a fandom where entire families are fans and the fandom has existed for many across generations of their line. The Knicks are one of the most storied NBA franchises in the league and it's fans are some of the most hardcore and passionate out there. There is NO EXCUSE for a team leader and the clear cut Alpha Dog player to give anything less than 150 percent on the floor all the time and to set the right kind of example for team morale, team unity and team responsibility.

I dare anyone, anyone, anyone here, to say Melo being a lackadaisical disinterested careless defender so long, when his team needed him to step up his defense and defensive effort and leadership skills, is justified in any possible way. If Melo and his diehard homers want to call everyone else haters, let them, but it's not a tough concept - You want to be the man, you want to wear the crown and be the guy in charge and get all the glory and the lifestyle, then you have to step as well for all the crappy unpleasant things about being a leader. Melo wanted to come to New York, he forced his way to New York, he would play for no other team than New York, and guess what, on a bigger stage than Denver, the expectations go up. That's the price of being the guy who is supposed to be the leader on your New York team.

I can understand a lack of skill. I can understand when a player simply cannot do certain things physically or athletically. I cannot understand a lack of effort. There is no defense for that.

Why is a 23 year old undrafted kid the one to praise his team mates and build up their morale and try to shield them from criticism and take losses on his own back and tries to support his coaches and trainers and actively works to be an excellent role model for fans? That's LEADERSHIP RIGHT THERE. If someone wants to ask what my problem with Melo, part of it is that. That's his responsibility. He should be the one standing in front of the press deflecting criticism away from his team mates and onto himself. He should be the one to say the buck stops with him for accountability and there are no excuses to lose. He should be the one setting the work ethic example on the court. He should be the one looking to show unity in public the press and fans no matter what is going on behind closed doors.

And that's what makes it so pathetic to me. Lin is basically in his first year and he already gets what it takes to act like a leader and take all the unpleasant crap that comes with magazine covers and solo press conferences. Melo has been in the league for nearly a decade and when is his selfish ass going to get it?

No offense, and this is just me, I just feel really sorry for some of you. To ask so very little of your supposed team leader. To applaud any display of basic effort as if that should even be negotiable in the first place. I love the Knicks, I just don't love the piss poor leadership of the Melo brand. He might wear the jersey, but he's not cut from New York cloth.

TripleThreat...right on. It befuddles me how people don't see this.

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3/18/2012  9:20 PM
So let me get this straight. Indy was afraid to leave Melo open in the fourth quarter, because they were afraid that he was going to continue shooting his 30%? No wonder Indy lost twice against the Knicks.

Some of you posting here should use the "preview" button to do an actual review of some of the stuff you come up with.

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3/18/2012  9:21 PM
HugeKnick4 wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Lately his offense hasn't been there but the rest of his game has been solid for the most part. Melo is sharing the rock, playing D and playing hard. If you're going to point out what he is doing wrong there is no reason why you can't point out what he's doing right.


I think that's a very fair point. Melo is trying harder on D the last three games and is obviously working much harder than he has in previous games to bring energy and urgency to his game and consider the other players around him. No doubt in my mind, with a focused and driven Melo, this team can go far. That's a fair point.

Now it's your turn to flip it around on the other side, for the sake of fairness. Where was this effort before? Because I think that's just as important for the Knick's fighting for a playoff spot.

It shouldn't take a new coach to get the ALPHA DOG TEAM LEADER to put in effort on the floor. That's poor leadership. And it's f**king disrespectful to the many hard working loyal Knicks fans out there. I'm talking about a fandom where entire families are fans and the fandom has existed for many across generations of their line. The Knicks are one of the most storied NBA franchises in the league and it's fans are some of the most hardcore and passionate out there. There is NO EXCUSE for a team leader and the clear cut Alpha Dog player to give anything less than 150 percent on the floor all the time and to set the right kind of example for team morale, team unity and team responsibility.

I dare anyone, anyone, anyone here, to say Melo being a lackadaisical disinterested careless defender so long, when his team needed him to step up his defense and defensive effort and leadership skills, is justified in any possible way. If Melo and his diehard homers want to call everyone else haters, let them, but it's not a tough concept - You want to be the man, you want to wear the crown and be the guy in charge and get all the glory and the lifestyle, then you have to step as well for all the crappy unpleasant things about being a leader. Melo wanted to come to New York, he forced his way to New York, he would play for no other team than New York, and guess what, on a bigger stage than Denver, the expectations go up. That's the price of being the guy who is supposed to be the leader on your New York team.

I can understand a lack of skill. I can understand when a player simply cannot do certain things physically or athletically. I cannot understand a lack of effort. There is no defense for that.

Why is a 23 year old undrafted kid the one to praise his team mates and build up their morale and try to shield them from criticism and take losses on his own back and tries to support his coaches and trainers and actively works to be an excellent role model for fans? That's LEADERSHIP RIGHT THERE. If someone wants to ask what my problem with Melo, part of it is that. That's his responsibility. He should be the one standing in front of the press deflecting criticism away from his team mates and onto himself. He should be the one to say the buck stops with him for accountability and there are no excuses to lose. He should be the one setting the work ethic example on the court. He should be the one looking to show unity in public the press and fans no matter what is going on behind closed doors.

And that's what makes it so pathetic to me. Lin is basically in his first year and he already gets what it takes to act like a leader and take all the unpleasant crap that comes with magazine covers and solo press conferences. Melo has been in the league for nearly a decade and when is his selfish ass going to get it?

No offense, and this is just me, I just feel really sorry for some of you. To ask so very little of your supposed team leader. To applaud any display of basic effort as if that should even be negotiable in the first place. I love the Knicks, I just don't love the piss poor leadership of the Melo brand. He might wear the jersey, but he's not cut from New York cloth.

TripleThreat...right on. It befuddles me how people don't see this.


Maybe it's because they don't have the time to read Triplethreat's novels.
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3/18/2012  9:22 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
HugeKnick4 wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Lately his offense hasn't been there but the rest of his game has been solid for the most part. Melo is sharing the rock, playing D and playing hard. If you're going to point out what he is doing wrong there is no reason why you can't point out what he's doing right.


I think that's a very fair point. Melo is trying harder on D the last three games and is obviously working much harder than he has in previous games to bring energy and urgency to his game and consider the other players around him. No doubt in my mind, with a focused and driven Melo, this team can go far. That's a fair point.

Now it's your turn to flip it around on the other side, for the sake of fairness. Where was this effort before? Because I think that's just as important for the Knick's fighting for a playoff spot.

It shouldn't take a new coach to get the ALPHA DOG TEAM LEADER to put in effort on the floor. That's poor leadership. And it's f**king disrespectful to the many hard working loyal Knicks fans out there. I'm talking about a fandom where entire families are fans and the fandom has existed for many across generations of their line. The Knicks are one of the most storied NBA franchises in the league and it's fans are some of the most hardcore and passionate out there. There is NO EXCUSE for a team leader and the clear cut Alpha Dog player to give anything less than 150 percent on the floor all the time and to set the right kind of example for team morale, team unity and team responsibility.

I dare anyone, anyone, anyone here, to say Melo being a lackadaisical disinterested careless defender so long, when his team needed him to step up his defense and defensive effort and leadership skills, is justified in any possible way. If Melo and his diehard homers want to call everyone else haters, let them, but it's not a tough concept - You want to be the man, you want to wear the crown and be the guy in charge and get all the glory and the lifestyle, then you have to step as well for all the crappy unpleasant things about being a leader. Melo wanted to come to New York, he forced his way to New York, he would play for no other team than New York, and guess what, on a bigger stage than Denver, the expectations go up. That's the price of being the guy who is supposed to be the leader on your New York team.

I can understand a lack of skill. I can understand when a player simply cannot do certain things physically or athletically. I cannot understand a lack of effort. There is no defense for that.

Why is a 23 year old undrafted kid the one to praise his team mates and build up their morale and try to shield them from criticism and take losses on his own back and tries to support his coaches and trainers and actively works to be an excellent role model for fans? That's LEADERSHIP RIGHT THERE. If someone wants to ask what my problem with Melo, part of it is that. That's his responsibility. He should be the one standing in front of the press deflecting criticism away from his team mates and onto himself. He should be the one to say the buck stops with him for accountability and there are no excuses to lose. He should be the one setting the work ethic example on the court. He should be the one looking to show unity in public the press and fans no matter what is going on behind closed doors.

And that's what makes it so pathetic to me. Lin is basically in his first year and he already gets what it takes to act like a leader and take all the unpleasant crap that comes with magazine covers and solo press conferences. Melo has been in the league for nearly a decade and when is his selfish ass going to get it?

No offense, and this is just me, I just feel really sorry for some of you. To ask so very little of your supposed team leader. To applaud any display of basic effort as if that should even be negotiable in the first place. I love the Knicks, I just don't love the piss poor leadership of the Melo brand. He might wear the jersey, but he's not cut from New York cloth.

TripleThreat...right on. It befuddles me how people don't see this.


Maybe it's because they don't have the time to read Triplethreat's novels.

It was a short story. LOL!

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3/18/2012  9:56 PM
GustavBahler wrote:I wish we could quash this stuff and move on. If Melo costs us a game or has an all around poor performance, call him on it, by all means. This is a new regime, we're winning (for now) and things are going well. No need to relitigate what happened under D'Antoni, its what Melo has done for the team lately.

Lately his offense hasn't been there but the rest of his game has been solid for the most part. Melo is sharing the rock, playing D and playing hard. If you're going to point out what he is doing wrong there is no reason why you can't point out what he's doing right. At least it will show that you are factoring everything into your evaluation of Melo's performance and not just looking for another excuse to point out how much you don't like his being on the Knicks.

+1

If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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3/18/2012  9:59 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:anyone who thinks that melo isn't one of the two most important players on this team is insane.

and anyone who doesn't realize that the other of those most important players is tyson chandler is straight up basketball ignorant.

i love jeremy lin and he's in a very good place to succeed here and i hope he does, but this team would not be winning without... THE REST OF THE TEAM.

this is one of the deepest teams in the nba right now. why can't you guys just enjoy it.

any poster here who thinks this team, this year or next year or beyond, is going anywhere without melo playing a major role is crazy.

Just replay the 4th Q when Lin was getting into the paint with ease. The reason he was able to penetrate to the hoop was because he was playing P-N-R with Melo. The defense couldn't leave Melo to trap Lin which allowed Lin to get into the lane unharrassed. Even when he's not scoring, Melo's presence opens it up for everyone else.

Great Point!

I brought this up with some of my arguments with Nixluva but he just chose to not respond. Probably becasue there was really no reason that this should not have been part of the offense.

Just so you know I don't see every single post you make. If i saw it I would've posted something in response. As for Melo and Lin, YES that was always an option. Really in this offense Lin can call a PnR with anyone at any time and he has. MDA's sets can be free flowing. Also we need to allow for some growth from Lin as well. He would often get stuck just running the Tyson pick while ignoring STAT. It takes time for young PG's to recognize good balance and when to switch things up. Lin is continually growing as a player. Let's remember that he really just is getting going in terms of learning all the intricacies of the offense and how to use it. Not to mention just playing PG on this level.

The thing is that I find it preposterous to think that somehow MDA couldn't think of something offensively when it comes to PnR options. Let's not forget that Melo wasn't exactly being cooperative when MDA was here. Now all of a sudden he's cool with catch and shoot plays and he's keeping the floor spread rather than creeping in to his comfort zone and messing up the PnR spacing like he was. Woodson lost his job over running "ISO Joe" in ATL. Now he has a built in set of plays to add to his offensive package. Woody doesn't have to reinvent the wheel. The team is already well schooled offensively. He just has to tweak things. It's too late in the season to completely change the offense.

This is why I keep posting things to offset the biased perception that this is somehow a complete overhaul of what the team was doing:

“On offense, we have a little more post-ups, not a lot more,” Jeremy Lin was saying after the Knicks whipped Indiana, 102-88, Saturday night. “The defense hasn’t changed. We have all 15 guys buying in now. That’s the big difference.”
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3/18/2012  10:52 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I'm getting a little sick and tired of the Melo Haters knocking every thing this man is doing. If we want a championship we will need Melo no matter how you feel. I do believe that with some it's not about winning a championship because if you had a choice of Melo being gone and not having a chance of a Championship you would just rather loose. Listen I like Lins game but if he makes Melo unhappy you better believe Lin will sit. And the crap about him ignoring Melo on the court is totally wrong. Cut the man some slack. If Melo had to take a piss some of you would find something to complain about that. The Chemistry with the team is good. Let it alone

Well Said!

Couldn't agree with you more 199%
Melo has bad bad poor season. If that wasn't the case highlighting his poor play and some bad court decision
this career ppg/avg 27pt if Melo was playing like 1/2 his career totals we'd not be talking about.
Same goes for Amare 'zilch' Stoudemire season which seems to be coming along positively & finally.

The haters would vanish, NY would be 6-7 over .500 and we may have had this coach finish the yr.
Melo got no credit for facing the fire storms and answer all interviews never running away from the heat.
That's stand up guy to me, as a knick fan

Yes! I remember all the years they KILLED!! Eli Manning. How bad of a trade we made with SD. He just has such bad awwww shucks expressions blah blah blah

He dealt with this crap everyday and never said anything in the media and handled himself with class while the brutal NY fans killed him (as they did Ewing relentlessly).

Lotta haters in NY and there always will be. And, the only way to appease them is to win it all. Just ask Eli Manning. NY fans woulda traded him back for Philip Rivers in a heartbeat. Now? Maybe not. Oh sure - now they'd say "I always loved Eli - I never did not like him I just wanted him to play better and show that he cared more"

Same sh1t different player.

You know Melo gotta take the heat superstars/star takes he isnt running from it
always does post interviews so ..I dont like all he done but I'm supporting him to yr end

Folks in NY and media , even here forget that Melo Anthony is here barely a yr
but not one full NBA basketball yr as a knick yet.

He need to get benefit of doubt ..this strike season is his 1st full yr
and he need to get respect of that before being crucified for M.D'Antoni and Knick issues.
Francessa on WFAN always thinks he's right crucified Melo on the cross

Watch big Mike kiss his hiney in few months if NY makes playoffs
cause Despite Miked-on huge mouth MELO will come on WFAN /Francessa show which the WFAN loves

This town is so hipocratical its not funny, in light of Knick 3 game winning streaks bombing teams
and playing very good D' along with it

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3/19/2012  12:18 AM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:anyone who thinks that melo isn't one of the two most important players on this team is insane.

and anyone who doesn't realize that the other of those most important players is tyson chandler is straight up basketball ignorant.

i love jeremy lin and he's in a very good place to succeed here and i hope he does, but this team would not be winning without... THE REST OF THE TEAM.

this is one of the deepest teams in the nba right now. why can't you guys just enjoy it.

any poster here who thinks this team, this year or next year or beyond, is going anywhere without melo playing a major role is crazy.

Just replay the 4th Q when Lin was getting into the paint with ease. The reason he was able to penetrate to the hoop was because he was playing P-N-R with Melo. The defense couldn't leave Melo to trap Lin which allowed Lin to get into the lane unharrassed. Even when he's not scoring, Melo's presence opens it up for everyone else.

Great Point!

I brought this up with some of my arguments with Nixluva but he just chose to not respond. Probably becasue there was really no reason that this should not have been part of the offense.

Just so you know I don't see every single post you make. If i saw it I would've posted something in response. As for Melo and Lin, YES that was always an option. Really in this offense Lin can call a PnR with anyone at any time and he has. MDA's sets can be free flowing. Also we need to allow for some growth from Lin as well. He would often get stuck just running the Tyson pick while ignoring STAT. It takes time for young PG's to recognize good balance and when to switch things up. Lin is continually growing as a player. Let's remember that he really just is getting going in terms of learning all the intricacies of the offense and how to use it. Not to mention just playing PG on this level.

The thing is that I find it preposterous to think that somehow MDA couldn't think of something offensively when it comes to PnR options. Let's not forget that Melo wasn't exactly being cooperative when MDA was here. Now all of a sudden he's cool with catch and shoot plays and he's keeping the floor spread rather than creeping in to his comfort zone and messing up the PnR spacing like he was. Woodson lost his job over running "ISO Joe" in ATL. Now he has a built in set of plays to add to his offensive package. Woody doesn't have to reinvent the wheel. The team is already well schooled offensively. He just has to tweak things. It's too late in the season to completely change the offense.

This is why I keep posting things to offset the biased perception that this is somehow a complete overhaul of what the team was doing:

“On offense, we have a little more post-ups, not a lot more,” Jeremy Lin was saying after the Knicks whipped Indiana, 102-88, Saturday night. “The defense hasn’t changed. We have all 15 guys buying in now. That’s the big difference.”

So you are honestly telling me that a PnR with Melo was in the playbook but never called because it was on Lin to call it since he calls all the PnR's and he just never called for Melo to run the PnR with him? That,! is the most preposterous thing I have ever heard you say/write.

Leave it all in Lin, a rookie's hands because it's "free flowing" and people wonder why he got fired/asked to resign/quit!!

Why is so many people on this forum hating on Melo?? Like it or not this is his team. Get use to it!!

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