Meet the new boss

MaTT4281 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Thank God he took only 4 shots...that 5-18 crap won't fly anymore. Loved Linsanity, but that was so February of 2012. Long live Woodsanity!

If we're going to do this, better do it right. None of this "Woodsanity" nonsense.

Woodstock 2012.

Hahaha me likey.

Syniko wrote:4!!!! Was it his own decision or the coaching decision? I kept seeing Woodson calling him over to have a little chat with him. Also, there was another defensive play that got Woodson on Lin and Melo was seen harping at him about something as well.

I can see Woodson grilling Lin if Lin takes more than 5 shots and makes only 2. He'll say "Lin, stop shooting or you're coming out of the game." The days of watching Lin take control of his shots are long gone. When Knicks are playing well, Lin goes out of the game.

Lin will not develop as well as he could if Woodson yells at him for shooting.

Lin can still take 8-12 shots--no doubt about it--the team will be better if he does. It looks like he has lost a tad of confidence and aggressiveness. His jumpshot has too much arc on it right now its getting too much air--he needs to be more fluid and confident with the release. When you are shooting around your backyard--you dont think about the shot--you just shoot. When you think--bad things happen. Have confidence in your J--think they will all go in. Also he doesnt have to just take 3 pt shots--the 16 footer worked well for him and so does getting in the lane with the nice runner. Now more teams are likely to lay off--giving him more of what he had. Its just a balance. He played a good team game last night--he'll have his 20-12 nights if he believes in himself.

yellowboy90 wrote:Why does he keep turning the ball over? For real. I love Lin but when does this stop?

For real, your name and lin bashing don't go hand in hand.

gunsnewing wrote:There is a reason Lin was praising D'Antoni. He himself knows he's not a 20 & 8 player at this early stage in his career. The system allowed him to be featured. The problem with that system say Amare & Melo were traded for role players and it becames Lin's team, Do you honestly think they would beat Miami, Chicago or OKC when those teams would key in on Lin rough him up, pressure him downcourt and force him to turn the ball over?

we can't beat them with smelo playing brick ball...

gunsnewing wrote:

SlimChin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:There is a reason Lin was praising D'Antoni. He himself knows he's not a 20 & 8 player at this early stage in his career. The system allowed him to be featured. The problem with that system say Amare & Melo were traded for role players and it becames Lin's team, Do you honestly think they would beat Miami, Chicago or OKC when those teams would key in on Lin rough him up, pressure him downcourt and force him to turn the ball over?

you think we can beat miami and chicago with inconsistent play and lack of D from melo and stat. NO.

yes if Stat & Melo are motivated and no if they are replaced by Jeffries & Walker

LOL.. if they are motivated.. now we have to motivate guys making 20 mil a year? and you don't see this as a problem?

keep dantoni, trade melo and amare for scola and kevin martin and I guarantee you the knicks would be 10 games better and the rockets 5 games worse....

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

SlimChin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:There is a reason Lin was praising D'Antoni. He himself knows he's not a 20 & 8 player at this early stage in his career. The system allowed him to be featured. The problem with that system say Amare & Melo were traded for role players and it becames Lin's team, Do you honestly think they would beat Miami, Chicago or OKC when those teams would key in on Lin rough him up, pressure him downcourt and force him to turn the ball over?

you think we can beat miami and chicago with inconsistent play and lack of D from melo and stat. NO.

yes if Stat & Melo are motivated and no if they are replaced by Jeffries & Walker

LOL.. if they are motivated.. now we have to motivate guys making 20 mil a year? and you don't see this as a problem?

keep dantoni, trade melo and amare for scola and kevin martin and I guarantee you the knicks would be 10 games better and the rockets 5 games worse....

Didn't JVG have to take the entire starting 5 out of the game to motivate the team. It's what coaches do they keep their players motivated

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

SlimChin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:There is a reason Lin was praising D'Antoni. He himself knows he's not a 20 & 8 player at this early stage in his career. The system allowed him to be featured. The problem with that system say Amare & Melo were traded for role players and it becames Lin's team, Do you honestly think they would beat Miami, Chicago or OKC when those teams would key in on Lin rough him up, pressure him downcourt and force him to turn the ball over?

you think we can beat miami and chicago with inconsistent play and lack of D from melo and stat. NO.

yes if Stat & Melo are motivated and no if they are replaced by Jeffries & Walker

LOL.. if they are motivated.. now we have to motivate guys making 20 mil a year? and you don't see this as a problem?

keep dantoni, trade melo and amare for scola and kevin martin and I guarantee you the knicks would be 10 games better and the rockets 5 games worse....

Didn't JVG have to take the entire starting 5 out of the game to motivate the team. It's what coaches do they keep their players motivated

I think that was more like punishement..... but hey, some games guys need a push, that is understandable, but we are talking on a nightly basis here... why compare apples to oranges?

SupremeCommander wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

SlimChin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:There is a reason Lin was praising D'Antoni. He himself knows he's not a 20 & 8 player at this early stage in his career. The system allowed him to be featured. The problem with that system say Amare & Melo were traded for role players and it becames Lin's team, Do you honestly think they would beat Miami, Chicago or OKC when those teams would key in on Lin rough him up, pressure him downcourt and force him to turn the ball over?

you think we can beat miami and chicago with inconsistent play and lack of D from melo and stat. NO.

yes if Stat & Melo are motivated and no if they are replaced by Jeffries & Walker

LOL.. if they are motivated.. now we have to motivate guys making 20 mil a year? and you don't see this as a problem?

keep dantoni, trade melo and amare for scola and kevin martin and I guarantee you the knicks would be 10 games better and the rockets 5 games worse....

Didn't JVG have to take the entire starting 5 out of the game to motivate the team. It's what coaches do they keep their players motivated

it's really easy to say that the guy making $20 million should be at 100 percent all the time. but that's not reality. it take a tremendous amount of effort and energy to get the most out of your resources all the time. that's certainly not just on the coach--the coach has to have the right personalities--but the coach is a part of that equation. that's probably the biggest reason why John wooden and Phil Jackson are held in such high regard.

yes, it is easy to say, because it makes sense!!! you make 20 mil a team.. give 100% all of the time.. really, I don't see why this should even be a discussion...

it take a tremendous amount of effort and energy to get the most out of your resources all the time.

YES!! and these guys have limited resources( their skill level declines over time) so they should be giving 100%, it is not like they are making 12 bucks and hour.. they are getting paid 20 million, that is way more than the best lawyers, accountants, doctors, engineers, scientist get per year by far.. so yes, they should be giving 100% that is why they get that type of money...

owners and fans are paying top dollar for those resources....

ChuckBuck wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Did anyone see the shot of Woodson/Melo/Lin standing during a TO and going over a play on a chalkboard? I liked how Woodson was trying to get them on the same page from the get go.

Very nice!

tkf wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

SlimChin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:There is a reason Lin was praising D'Antoni. He himself knows he's not a 20 & 8 player at this early stage in his career. The system allowed him to be featured. The problem with that system say Amare & Melo were traded for role players and it becames Lin's team, Do you honestly think they would beat Miami, Chicago or OKC when those teams would key in on Lin rough him up, pressure him downcourt and force him to turn the ball over?

you think we can beat miami and chicago with inconsistent play and lack of D from melo and stat. NO.

yes if Stat & Melo are motivated and no if they are replaced by Jeffries & Walker

LOL.. if they are motivated.. now we have to motivate guys making 20 mil a year? and you don't see this as a problem?

keep dantoni, trade melo and amare for scola and kevin martin and I guarantee you the knicks would be 10 games better and the rockets 5 games worse....

Didn't JVG have to take the entire starting 5 out of the game to motivate the team. It's what coaches do they keep their players motivated

it's really easy to say that the guy making $20 million should be at 100 percent all the time. but that's not reality. it take a tremendous amount of effort and energy to get the most out of your resources all the time. that's certainly not just on the coach--the coach has to have the right personalities--but the coach is a part of that equation. that's probably the biggest reason why John wooden and Phil Jackson are held in such high regard.

yes, it is easy to say, because it makes sense!!! you make 20 mil a team.. give 100% all of the time.. really, I don't see why this should even be a discussion...

it take a tremendous amount of effort and energy to get the most out of your resources all the time.

YES!! and these guys have limited resources( their skill level declines over time) so they should be giving 100%, it is not like they are making 12 bucks and hour.. they are getting paid 20 million, that is way more than the best lawyers, accountants, doctors, engineers, scientist get per year by far.. so yes, they should be giving 100% that is why they get that type of money...

owners and fans are paying top dollar for those resources....

it is a shame that a player getting paid $20M a year has the audacity to say "no. i don't want to play this way. fire the coach." (whether he says it verbally, or acts in ways that lead to the same desired result.) i think it's a poisonous mentality for a player who is supposed to be a part of the TEAM. i've already discussed why i think some of his other actions reflect a disregard for the TEAM. only time will tell if, given the right circumstances, Melo can be on a championship TEAM (one has to wonder if Melo would be upset to find out everybody gets the same sized ring. lol).

that said, i agree with SC that coaches still need to know how to push buttons and get guys to be at 100% all the time. all the best lawyers, doctors, accountants, engineers, etc. don't give 100% all the time. we are all humans. and we fluctuate in terms of how much we got in us. sometimes we need a push. for athletes, it's the coach that is supposed to push you. for those other professions, it's the boss, the client, the mentor, the family -- that pushes you.

this is the thing. i don't think MDA failed to push Melo. i just don't think Melo every really tried to get it. Melo knew he didn't have to try because D'Antoni was on his last year. if MDA and Melo could have worked it out, this team would have been devestating. Woodson is up next. i have no grounds for saying whether he'll be a failure or a success because i don't necessarily think it's up to him. there's talent here. but is there a TEAM? depends on one more guy buying in.