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What if CP3 was here?
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mrKnickShot
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3/13/2012  6:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/13/2012  6:38 PM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
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martin wrote:
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nixluva wrote:This is why even tho they're ancient, the Celtics still win. They've fully checked their egos long ago. KG and Pierce are on another level from STAT and Melo in terms of knowing how to win. They play hard on both ends and they sacrifice for the team. That's really all MDA is trying to do. IF CP3 was here it would be a match made in heaven and we all knew that. It was a wonderful dream, but at least we did find a capable young PG to develop. Lin is just at the beginning of his development as a player. He has so much to learn, but is already at a high level.

Doc Rivers got PPierce to buy in and become unselfish and worked him into the flow.

MDA has not had the same success with Melo

Watch how many ISO's [PUKE - ISO's!!] the Celtics run!!

Aside from all that the Celtics have a much better team than the knicks at every position

it's the right mix of players, team, coach, management. It's not just Doc getting Pierce in line, otherwise Pierce would have been better in the first 3 years Doc was there.

Let there be no doubt: KGhad been the defensive and emotional leader for that team on the court.

Doc didn't suddenly get through to PP

Yes. I do not argue with what you are saying and its why on the last line I said that the Celtics are better at every position.

KG is definitely the key and the driver which we are missing. Its not PP.

If KG replace STAT, how do you think we would be? I would say miles better and everything would change. He would lead, get player buy in, bridge the coach / player issues.

Perhaps Melo would just then be our PaulPierce.

This is the thing. STAT can't really talk with authority cuz he doesn't play D and his teammates know it. KG on the other hand plays with intensity every game and that is what a winner does. Last year when STAT 1st got here he was giving max effort, but when Melo got here he backed off, rather than kept up his role as a leader.

So Nixluva, I start out reading what you wrote and I'm thinking, hey - I agree with him ... hes actually making some sense! and then you go back to you again - spinning!

Last year when STAT 1st got here he was giving max effort, but when Melo got here he backed off, rather than kept up his role as a leader.

Are you serious? Can you stop being a politician for a second? GEEEEZ!

So STAT's issues are kind of Melo's fault by proxy right? SMFH

For you, you need all the blame to be on Melo because that deflects any blame from your beloved MDA. Since it there are two camps: the anti Melo and the anti MDA. Its gotta be one of thems fault so the other gets vindicated.

THEY BOTH ARE SUCKING UP THE JOINT!!!!!

You just don't get it. I'm not blaming Melo with that statement. I'm blaming STAT for basically shirking his responsibility! You really need to get a grip! I have CONSTANTLY blamed both STAT and Melo for the failures and if you go and look at my MULTIPLE posts stating this very fact you'd know I have only blamed Melo. I've been consistent in blaming both. Sometimes I may focus a comment on one of them but over and over again I made it clear I blame both.


hahah. Its subliminal at this point with you my friend.

A vote against melo is by proxy, a vote for MDA.

And, we all know (BOY DO WE KNOW) how you feel about him. I did respect you for just a couple of times on what I am sure was a very rough day for you, post a couple of "mda has not done a good job" lines. Don't think it went un-noticed and it did re-invigorate my hope in even the most fallen.

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3/13/2012  6:52 PM
That is true. WHo the hell told Stat he could just hide under a blanket and let another guy be the leader? Where is that "Knicks are back!" mentality? As Nix says, Stat tried on defense when he got here. Wasn't a stopper but he sure was better than this vanishing Stat.
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3/13/2012  6:52 PM
CP3 would've been unbelievably nice, but who would be playing C when the they got outrebounded every game?

Melo was hitting the glass pretty hard last night in the first half, but then highlighted the night in my mind by missing a key boxout for an easy put back and straying from the huddle right around the same time. Him getting mad at Fields for not dumping in the post was not that big of a deal to me, considering most really good offensive guys do the same thing, but it still doesn't make it cool and he definitely cannot be mistaken for a leader. His body language is and has been pretty irritating, but then you have Amar'e (who I really like) almost looking like he doesn't give a **** on D. I mean there were plays that he was just basically watching the ball go past him. I realize he still may be messed up about his brother, but he should still be relegated to the second squad because as irritating as Melo can be, this BS Amar'e continues to display should be inexcusable to his teammates and coach.

This is really the first time I have ever felt like Dantoni needs to go just based on the simple fact that he has lost these guys and it doesn't seem like he's gonna get them back. I don't see how he ever really got a fair shake with this team, but he hasn't done much either to make me think he will and because of the current state of the Knicks, I choose Melo over him even though I'm not crazy about him. I still see them making the playoffs and hopefully they surprise someone in the 1st round, but after observing his interaction w/ his guys during this awful stretch he's gone regardless.

Jimmy Dolanbag just won't do it now and will just wait for that contract to end.

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3/13/2012  8:08 PM
As for MDA losing the team, I think maybe he lost Melo, but not the TEAM. Those same guys would run thru walls and play tough D if we had Jared in there with Lin, Shump, Fields, Jorts etc. The way the team was playing proves tome that it's not MDA. Even last year before the trade drama the team was playing well given the talent and experience they had. If not for the trade drama which clearly effected guys, I think they would've come together as a team over the 2nd half of the season.

This team still has a chance, but I think now the dynamics have changed. Lin, Tyson surrounded by Shump, Fields, Jared etc. plays better than having STAT and Melo at the core of the team alone. We really do need to have our best defensive unit on the floor again for critical times of the game. MDA was able to go to that unit when we needed to get stops.

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3/13/2012  8:12 PM
nixluva wrote:As for MDA losing the team, I think maybe he lost Melo, but not the TEAM. Those same guys would run thru walls and play tough D if we had Jared in there with Lin, Shump, Fields, Jorts etc. The way the team was playing proves tome that it's not MDA. Even last year before the trade drama the team was playing well given the talent and experience they had. If not for the trade drama which clearly effected guys, I think they would've come together as a team over the 2nd half of the season.

This team still has a chance, but I think now the dynamics have changed. Lin, Tyson surrounded by Shump, Fields, Jared etc. plays better than having STAT and Melo at the core of the team alone. We really do need to have our best defensive unit on the floor again for critical times of the game. MDA was able to go to that unit when we needed to get stops.

You needed proof that it was not MDA? Stand by your man and never doubt them - thats a true friend. The Trade Drama Failure of last year - I LOVE it!!!!

You make me laugh all the time and for that I am indebted to you

Will you be a portland fan next year?

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3/13/2012  8:56 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
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MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:No problem because CP3 has the juice card and Melo would not be a sourpus about deferring to him.

Right now, MDA is trying to make Lin the Top Dog in the offense and this doesn't sit well with the heavy ego of Carmelo Anthony.

Well said. +10000000000000000000000

Thanks, man.

And this says a lot about our friend Carmelo.

"Selfless" is not in his vocabulary.

A large part, maybe the biggest part, of being a part of a team is readily sacrificing your own ego for the better of the Whole.

I think dude is insecure, so he has trouble with fitting in with a team.

i think the dude still has a lot of maturing to do as well. ideally, it would be now. but i'm afraid for him it'll be too late—when the wear and tear sets in and he's not the same player he used to be.

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3/13/2012  9:01 PM
nixluva wrote:As for MDA losing the team, I think maybe he lost Melo, but not the TEAM. Those same guys would run thru walls and play tough D if we had Jared in there with Lin, Shump, Fields, Jorts etc. The way the team was playing proves tome that it's not MDA. Even last year before the trade drama the team was playing well given the talent and experience they had. If not for the trade drama which clearly effected guys, I think they would've come together as a team over the 2nd half of the season.

This team still has a chance, but I think now the dynamics have changed. Lin, Tyson surrounded by Shump, Fields, Jared etc. plays better than having STAT and Melo at the core of the team alone. We really do need to have our best defensive unit on the floor again for critical times of the game. MDA was able to go to that unit when we needed to get stops.

yeah even STAT is saying "everyone has to buy in" and he's referring to you know who. problem is, even if the team is behind MDA, something about melo's presence brings a bad vibe to the team.

What if CP3 was here?

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