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DrAlphaeus
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3/13/2012  12:03 PM
loweyecue wrote:He definitely uses a different style. But the main issue for him with the fans and media is that he is not constantly ranting at his players. For some reason legions of fans have assumed that people who jump up and down on sidelines and scream at their star players are the gold standard of coaching. -- it would be funny if it wasn't pathetic.

I think fans are seeing these broken plays and want to know what plan b or c are? It doesn't look like the players know sometimes. Maybe has his coaches do that though? If I'm a head coach I can delegate work that's not my forte (in-game play and defensive schemes) and concentrate on my specialties (rotations and offensive schemes), as long as I'm taking responsibility for everyone who reports to me.

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3/13/2012  12:05 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
loweyecue wrote:He definitely uses a different style. But the main issue for him with the fans and media is that he is not constantly ranting at his players. For some reason legions of fans have assumed that people who jump up and down on sidelines and scream at their star players are the gold standard of coaching. -- it would be funny if it wasn't pathetic.

PJax does not do that and I still love him so so much!

no. PJAX doesn't scream and yell. he calls out his team in the media. which, in case you missed it, is a major no-no under the MSG media policy.

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3/13/2012  12:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/13/2012  12:18 PM
eViL wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
loweyecue wrote:He definitely uses a different style. But the main issue for him with the fans and media is that he is not constantly ranting at his players. For some reason legions of fans have assumed that people who jump up and down on sidelines and scream at their star players are the gold standard of coaching. -- it would be funny if it wasn't pathetic.

PJax does not do that and I still love him so so much!

no. PJAX doesn't scream and yell. he calls out his team in the media. which, in case you missed it, is a major no-no under the MSG media policy.

I'd like to see PJax do some of this on melo or stat —that's what we need.

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3/13/2012  12:25 PM
eViL wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
loweyecue wrote:He definitely uses a different style. But the main issue for him with the fans and media is that he is not constantly ranting at his players. For some reason legions of fans have assumed that people who jump up and down on sidelines and scream at their star players are the gold standard of coaching. -- it would be funny if it wasn't pathetic.

PJax does not do that and I still love him so so much!

no. PJAX doesn't scream and yell. he calls out his team in the media. which, in case you missed it, is a major no-no under the MSG media policy.

There are no "NO NO's" with uncle Zen. I don't care who he calls out and how he does it. I just want him to be him and zenfully ours.

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3/13/2012  12:37 PM
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MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:The second quote really explains why I'm a fan of MDA.

I won't argue with you about it not working in New York. This much is obvious.

But if you're going to bash MDA, you must identify the CORRECT reason.

It's not that "MDA sucks at coaching". It's that he's TOO GOOD at coaching.

Coaching is more about X's and O's. He believes in an offensive philosophy but doesn't know how to get very good players who have excelled at other levels and in this league to play the way he wants them to. No one says he doesn't understand the game or isn't a brilliant offensive mind. But coaching, like almost any other profession and probably more so, is also about dealing with people. To let him off the hook for not knowing how to get the most out of what he has is not holding him accountable to do his job.

And I didn't even say anything about defense.....

You can't get to the Conference finals if you play no defense! In Pro Sports it's almost impossible to have success only playing one side of the ball. I'll leave it at that.

As for MDA's coaching style, it works well enough that his teams have been able to run like well oiled machines when he has players that actually do what he's instructing. Regardless of the talent level, when players actually listen to what MDA says they prosper. Less talented players tend to be more compliant. You have to hope that your stars are leaders and understand the importance of making their teammates actually execute what the coach is demanding. On winning teams the Top Players are the coaches advocates on the floor and in the lockerroom.

Even Phil Jackson failed to totally correct the diva issues with Shaq and Kobe. It took Jax years to finally get thru to Kobe. Does MDA even have that kind of time to work with Melo who hasn't even played 82 games under MDA so far??? I think the expectations are too high for MDA given all the change in such a short period of time. People want to ignore this, but every single year there's massive change and mid season change. It's a lot to overcome and no other coach has had this much turnover in HISTORY!!!

The difference between Phil and Mike is that Phil demanded things and communicated. I don't know the inner workings of the Knicks locker room but I'll bet D'Antoni doesn't have long talks with his stars. He wants them to do what he says and if they don't, whelp, arms folded or in the pockets.

i THINK phil jackson is a bit overrated as a coach. He had a great assistant in tex who gave him the triangle offense. he has always had the best players in the league, and I had a discussion with a lakers fan who pretty much admitted Jerry west was a big of a reason for getting through to kobe and shaq than Phil was.. but PJ has 11 rings, that is hard to do, so I give him credit...for that, can't take that away from him..

What bothers me a bit is that people keep harping on Dantoni not preaching defense... really? can someone tell me why he then insists on playing guys like Jeffries, who is as offensively challenged as any player in this league? he could easily give those minutes to guys who are better scorers.. but he doesn't....must tell you that he is very aware of playing defense and the importance...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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