nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:It's so easy to defend against this offense, pack it in on the PG....

YUP. Double Lin up top, pack the lane. Leave our terrible thre epoint shooters open and dare them to take the shot.

That's it. That's how you defend this team.

That doesn't work if you have player and ball movement, That's why people complain about Melo cuz he holds the ball and allows the defense to double him much more easily than if he was scoring within the offense on catch and shoot or cuts to the basket. Melo is a -83 in the last 7 games whereas the bench is a +17. The offense was more efficient during Linsanity than it has been since Melo came back! The defense was more efficient during Linsanity too. There were concrete reasons this team was winnning games and most of it was defense.

When you have STAT and Melo out there to start the 3rd quarter, we've lost all of them except 1 in the last 5 games. Neither of them is BOOSTING the performance of the team. Yeah Melo got hot recently but we're allowing more points too!!! Our Stars are a net negative for us!!! Our scrubs were a net positive.

I disagree. The offense has been awful without Melo or Amar'e too. Either +/- 17 over 7 games basically means the team is treading water. The second team *only* looks good when it's transition game is firing on all cyclinders. Have them in a half court set and that story changes dramatically. I have seen +/- poorly used as a defensive statistic, but never as an ofensive statistic.

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:It's so easy to defend against this offense, pack it in on the PG....

YUP. Double Lin up top, pack the lane. Leave our terrible thre epoint shooters open and dare them to take the shot.

That's it. That's how you defend this team.

That doesn't work if you have player and ball movement, That's why people complain about Melo cuz he holds the ball and allows the defense to double him much more easily than if he was scoring within the offense on catch and shoot or cuts to the basket. Melo is a -83 in the last 7 games whereas the bench is a +17. The offense was more efficient during Linsanity than it has been since Melo came back! The defense was more efficient during Linsanity too. There were concrete reasons this team was winnning games and most of it was defense.

When you have STAT and Melo out there to start the 3rd quarter, we've lost all of them except 1 in the last 5 games. Neither of them is BOOSTING the performance of the team. Yeah Melo got hot recently but we're allowing more points too!!! Our Stars are a net negative for us!!! Our scrubs were a net positive.

I disagree. The offense has been awful without Melo or Amar'e too. Either +/- 17 over 7 games basically means the team is treading water. The second team *only* looks good when it's transition game is firing on all cyclinders. Have them in a half court set and that story changes dramatically. I have seen +/- poorly used as a defensive statistic, but never as an ofensive statistic.

Then you do understand the point. We know the scrubs aren't great offensively. The idea is that the defense was so much better and created more easy scoring opportunities, that it ended up making the offense more efficient than it's been with our 2 Stars back. Our scrubs play harder and as a team on both ends. Everyone knows the offense wasn't great during the streak, but the defense was much better.

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:It's so easy to defend against this offense, pack it in on the PG....

YUP. Double Lin up top, pack the lane. Leave our terrible thre epoint shooters open and dare them to take the shot.

That's it. That's how you defend this team.

That doesn't work if you have player and ball movement, That's why people complain about Melo cuz he holds the ball and allows the defense to double him much more easily than if he was scoring within the offense on catch and shoot or cuts to the basket. Melo is a -83 in the last 7 games whereas the bench is a +17. The offense was more efficient during Linsanity than it has been since Melo came back! The defense was more efficient during Linsanity too. There were concrete reasons this team was winnning games and most of it was defense.

When you have STAT and Melo out there to start the 3rd quarter, we've lost all of them except 1 in the last 5 games. Neither of them is BOOSTING the performance of the team. Yeah Melo got hot recently but we're allowing more points too!!! Our Stars are a net negative for us!!! Our scrubs were a net positive.

Michael6835 wrote:A fair question for everyone, because I feel Melo seems to be taking an unfair beating.

How would Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, Lebron, DWade, etc, essentially all of the great one on one players feel about not getting their touches.

I would venture to say that we would see the same result regardless.

You don't take a volume scorer and an effective post threat and reduce their shots and tell them you'll get yours.
but oh yeah, you still need to do your thing to bail us out.

This roster doesn't match the system, and since we have the players we have, we must change the coach and philosphy of the team.
At least the Denver team Melo came from was a playoff team in what was a very deep and difficult Western Conference.
There are still ok now, because of probably Karl.

There are times when Melo will work hard in the post for position, only to have the ball swing the other way for someone to fling a 3. He is our best Post Player, probably best passer, and this system essentially turns him into a 3pt shooter. The last game, watch him on the boards, he was playing. I didnt think he deserved to be benched, the offense is lost, that falls on MDA.

I have to believe if we lose a few more, he'll be fired. If Woodson is smart, he'll modify the system and players will rally.

I like Lin and I like the up and down, but this aint PHX, we don't have steve nash nor do we have that core of players.

In this alternate universe, they would have to defer to Jeremy Lin...They would have to take less shots than the PG and would be an equal option to jack up a three as JJ or any other stiff...I must be living in an alternate universe where JLin takes more shots the Amare nightly...

Anji wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:A fair question for everyone, because I feel Melo seems to be taking an unfair beating.

How would Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, Lebron, DWade, etc, essentially all of the great one on one players feel about not getting their touches.

I would venture to say that we would see the same result regardless.

You don't take a volume scorer and an effective post threat and reduce their shots and tell them you'll get yours.
but oh yeah, you still need to do your thing to bail us out.

This roster doesn't match the system, and since we have the players we have, we must change the coach and philosphy of the team.
At least the Denver team Melo came from was a playoff team in what was a very deep and difficult Western Conference.
There are still ok now, because of probably Karl.

There are times when Melo will work hard in the post for position, only to have the ball swing the other way for someone to fling a 3. He is our best Post Player, probably best passer, and this system essentially turns him into a 3pt shooter. The last game, watch him on the boards, he was playing. I didnt think he deserved to be benched, the offense is lost, that falls on MDA.

I have to believe if we lose a few more, he'll be fired. If Woodson is smart, he'll modify the system and players will rally.

I like Lin and I like the up and down, but this aint PHX, we don't have steve nash nor do we have that core of players.

In this alternate universe, they would have to defer to Jeremy Lin...They would have to take less shots than the PG and would be an equal option to jack up a three as JJ or any other stiff...I must be living in an alternate universe where JLin takes more shots the Amare nightly...

Could you imagine telling Kevin Durrant that???

Or better yet

Could see Dirk waiting to get his touches after PG and the Center!!!

That is a crazy universe indeed my friend.

ChuckBuck wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Anji wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:A fair question for everyone, because I feel Melo seems to be taking an unfair beating.

How would Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, Lebron, DWade, etc, essentially all of the great one on one players feel about not getting their touches.

I would venture to say that we would see the same result regardless.

You don't take a volume scorer and an effective post threat and reduce their shots and tell them you'll get yours.
but oh yeah, you still need to do your thing to bail us out.

This roster doesn't match the system, and since we have the players we have, we must change the coach and philosphy of the team.
At least the Denver team Melo came from was a playoff team in what was a very deep and difficult Western Conference.
There are still ok now, because of probably Karl.

There are times when Melo will work hard in the post for position, only to have the ball swing the other way for someone to fling a 3. He is our best Post Player, probably best passer, and this system essentially turns him into a 3pt shooter. The last game, watch him on the boards, he was playing. I didnt think he deserved to be benched, the offense is lost, that falls on MDA.

I have to believe if we lose a few more, he'll be fired. If Woodson is smart, he'll modify the system and players will rally.

I like Lin and I like the up and down, but this aint PHX, we don't have steve nash nor do we have that core of players.

In this alternate universe, they would have to defer to Jeremy Lin...They would have to take less shots than the PG and would be an equal option to jack up a three as JJ or any other stiff...I must be living in an alternate universe where JLin takes more shots the Amare nightly...

Could you imagine telling Kevin Durrant that???

Or better yet

Could see Dirk waiting to get his touches after PG and the Center!!!

That is a crazy universe indeed my friend.

melo/amare arent on the same planet as dwight and durant. dwight and durant are winners

Because Dwight and Durant won so many titles

holfresh wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Anji wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:A fair question for everyone, because I feel Melo seems to be taking an unfair beating.

How would Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, Lebron, DWade, etc, essentially all of the great one on one players feel about not getting their touches.

I would venture to say that we would see the same result regardless.

You don't take a volume scorer and an effective post threat and reduce their shots and tell them you'll get yours.
but oh yeah, you still need to do your thing to bail us out.

This roster doesn't match the system, and since we have the players we have, we must change the coach and philosphy of the team.
At least the Denver team Melo came from was a playoff team in what was a very deep and difficult Western Conference.
There are still ok now, because of probably Karl.

There are times when Melo will work hard in the post for position, only to have the ball swing the other way for someone to fling a 3. He is our best Post Player, probably best passer, and this system essentially turns him into a 3pt shooter. The last game, watch him on the boards, he was playing. I didnt think he deserved to be benched, the offense is lost, that falls on MDA.

I have to believe if we lose a few more, he'll be fired. If Woodson is smart, he'll modify the system and players will rally.

I like Lin and I like the up and down, but this aint PHX, we don't have steve nash nor do we have that core of players.

In this alternate universe, they would have to defer to Jeremy Lin...They would have to take less shots than the PG and would be an equal option to jack up a three as JJ or any other stiff...I must be living in an alternate universe where JLin takes more shots the Amare nightly...

Could you imagine telling Kevin Durrant that???

Or better yet

Could see Dirk waiting to get his touches after PG and the Center!!!

That is a crazy universe indeed my friend.

melo/amare arent on the same planet as dwight and durant. dwight and durant are winners

And JLin is not on the same planet as Amare and Melo..It's this coaches system..but this coach won't last long..It's only a matter of time...

JCrusher wrote:

holfresh wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Anji wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:A fair question for everyone, because I feel Melo seems to be taking an unfair beating.

How would Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, Lebron, DWade, etc, essentially all of the great one on one players feel about not getting their touches.

I would venture to say that we would see the same result regardless.

You don't take a volume scorer and an effective post threat and reduce their shots and tell them you'll get yours.
but oh yeah, you still need to do your thing to bail us out.

This roster doesn't match the system, and since we have the players we have, we must change the coach and philosphy of the team.
At least the Denver team Melo came from was a playoff team in what was a very deep and difficult Western Conference.
There are still ok now, because of probably Karl.

There are times when Melo will work hard in the post for position, only to have the ball swing the other way for someone to fling a 3. He is our best Post Player, probably best passer, and this system essentially turns him into a 3pt shooter. The last game, watch him on the boards, he was playing. I didnt think he deserved to be benched, the offense is lost, that falls on MDA.

I have to believe if we lose a few more, he'll be fired. If Woodson is smart, he'll modify the system and players will rally.

I like Lin and I like the up and down, but this aint PHX, we don't have steve nash nor do we have that core of players.

In this alternate universe, they would have to defer to Jeremy Lin...They would have to take less shots than the PG and would be an equal option to jack up a three as JJ or any other stiff...I must be living in an alternate universe where JLin takes more shots the Amare nightly...

Could you imagine telling Kevin Durrant that???

Or better yet

Could see Dirk waiting to get his touches after PG and the Center!!!

That is a crazy universe indeed my friend.

melo/amare arent on the same planet as dwight and durant. dwight and durant are winners

And JLin is not on the same planet as Amare and Melo..It's this coaches system..but this coach won't last long..It's only a matter of time...

Look Holfresh its cool you are loyal to your favorite player but if you think getting rid of d'anotni is gonna make us win 15 straight you gotta be high

Regurgitating again JCrusher? You just used the same unoriginal line on 3 others.

Hahahah just kidding LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

We Kewl JCrush

JCrusher wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Anji wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:A fair question for everyone, because I feel Melo seems to be taking an unfair beating.

How would Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, Lebron, DWade, etc, essentially all of the great one on one players feel about not getting their touches.

I would venture to say that we would see the same result regardless.

You don't take a volume scorer and an effective post threat and reduce their shots and tell them you'll get yours.
but oh yeah, you still need to do your thing to bail us out.

This roster doesn't match the system, and since we have the players we have, we must change the coach and philosphy of the team.
At least the Denver team Melo came from was a playoff team in what was a very deep and difficult Western Conference.
There are still ok now, because of probably Karl.

There are times when Melo will work hard in the post for position, only to have the ball swing the other way for someone to fling a 3. He is our best Post Player, probably best passer, and this system essentially turns him into a 3pt shooter. The last game, watch him on the boards, he was playing. I didnt think he deserved to be benched, the offense is lost, that falls on MDA.

I have to believe if we lose a few more, he'll be fired. If Woodson is smart, he'll modify the system and players will rally.

I like Lin and I like the up and down, but this aint PHX, we don't have steve nash nor do we have that core of players.

In this alternate universe, they would have to defer to Jeremy Lin...They would have to take less shots than the PG and would be an equal option to jack up a three as JJ or any other stiff...I must be living in an alternate universe where JLin takes more shots the Amare nightly...

Could you imagine telling Kevin Durrant that???

Or better yet

Could see Dirk waiting to get his touches after PG and the Center!!!

That is a crazy universe indeed my friend.

melo/amare arent on the same planet as dwight and durant. dwight and durant are winners

Because Dwight and Durant won so many titles

well dwight at least got to the finals and lets face it Oklahoma City is going to the finals this year and probably the next couple years. But your boy melo is gonna bring us to the promise land i can feel it

My boy's not Melo, never was a big fan of his in Denver, but as a Knick, don't think he's remotely Starbury 2.0. Marbury was a bad bad teammate that would openly throw people under the bus at will. Melo at least attempts to play under MDA's system and tries to say the right thing. Now if we were to go back to the topic at hand, why can't MDA bend his system to fit his personnel? Why can't he post up Melo like a pseudo Triangle offense, and run offense that way? If you watch the games, Melo is a willing passer when double-teamed...I don't get why it has to be PNR, get trapped, give it up to Melo or Amare 20 feet to basket, and watch them ISO...I just don't get it.

JCrusher wrote:

holfresh wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Anji wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:A fair question for everyone, because I feel Melo seems to be taking an unfair beating.

How would Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, Lebron, DWade, etc, essentially all of the great one on one players feel about not getting their touches.

I would venture to say that we would see the same result regardless.

You don't take a volume scorer and an effective post threat and reduce their shots and tell them you'll get yours.
but oh yeah, you still need to do your thing to bail us out.

This roster doesn't match the system, and since we have the players we have, we must change the coach and philosphy of the team.
At least the Denver team Melo came from was a playoff team in what was a very deep and difficult Western Conference.
There are still ok now, because of probably Karl.

There are times when Melo will work hard in the post for position, only to have the ball swing the other way for someone to fling a 3. He is our best Post Player, probably best passer, and this system essentially turns him into a 3pt shooter. The last game, watch him on the boards, he was playing. I didnt think he deserved to be benched, the offense is lost, that falls on MDA.

I have to believe if we lose a few more, he'll be fired. If Woodson is smart, he'll modify the system and players will rally.

I like Lin and I like the up and down, but this aint PHX, we don't have steve nash nor do we have that core of players.

In this alternate universe, they would have to defer to Jeremy Lin...They would have to take less shots than the PG and would be an equal option to jack up a three as JJ or any other stiff...I must be living in an alternate universe where JLin takes more shots the Amare nightly...

Could you imagine telling Kevin Durrant that???

Or better yet

Could see Dirk waiting to get his touches after PG and the Center!!!

That is a crazy universe indeed my friend.

melo/amare arent on the same planet as dwight and durant. dwight and durant are winners

And JLin is not on the same planet as Amare and Melo..It's this coaches system..but this coach won't last long..It's only a matter of time...

Look Holfresh its cool you are loyal to your favorite player but if you think getting rid of d'anotni is gonna make us win 15 straight you gotta be high

U are wrong....It's not a favorite player thing...Amare and Melo are much better players than JLIn is, period!!!..Has noting to do with favorites..It is Linsanity to think otherwise...U are all caught up in the hype...This is the real world...This isn't college basketball...The Knicks and JLin are now a target, players are gunning for him and he is losing this battle nightly but u all blame Carmelo...Best thing to come of this is MDA will be fired sooner...

holfresh wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

holfresh wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Anji wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:A fair question for everyone, because I feel Melo seems to be taking an unfair beating.

How would Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, Lebron, DWade, etc, essentially all of the great one on one players feel about not getting their touches.

I would venture to say that we would see the same result regardless.

You don't take a volume scorer and an effective post threat and reduce their shots and tell them you'll get yours.
but oh yeah, you still need to do your thing to bail us out.

This roster doesn't match the system, and since we have the players we have, we must change the coach and philosphy of the team.
At least the Denver team Melo came from was a playoff team in what was a very deep and difficult Western Conference.
There are still ok now, because of probably Karl.

There are times when Melo will work hard in the post for position, only to have the ball swing the other way for someone to fling a 3. He is our best Post Player, probably best passer, and this system essentially turns him into a 3pt shooter. The last game, watch him on the boards, he was playing. I didnt think he deserved to be benched, the offense is lost, that falls on MDA.

I have to believe if we lose a few more, he'll be fired. If Woodson is smart, he'll modify the system and players will rally.

I like Lin and I like the up and down, but this aint PHX, we don't have steve nash nor do we have that core of players.

In this alternate universe, they would have to defer to Jeremy Lin...They would have to take less shots than the PG and would be an equal option to jack up a three as JJ or any other stiff...I must be living in an alternate universe where JLin takes more shots the Amare nightly...

Could you imagine telling Kevin Durrant that???

Or better yet

Could see Dirk waiting to get his touches after PG and the Center!!!

That is a crazy universe indeed my friend.

melo/amare arent on the same planet as dwight and durant. dwight and durant are winners

And JLin is not on the same planet as Amare and Melo..It's this coaches system..but this coach won't last long..It's only a matter of time...

Look Holfresh its cool you are loyal to your favorite player but if you think getting rid of d'anotni is gonna make us win 15 straight you gotta be high

U are wrong....It's not a favorite player thing...Amare and Melo are much better players than JLIn is, period!!!..Has noting to do with favorites..It is Linsanity to think otherwise...U are all caught up in the hype...This is the real world...This isn't college basketball...The Knicks and JLin are now a target, players are gunning for him and he is losing this battle nightly but u all blame Carmelo...Best thing to come of this is MDA will be fired sooner...