nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:The team is also slow to start games...the only constant is that the same personnel are on the floor in both the beginning of the 1st and 3rd qtrs

YUP! Some people around here don't want to accept the truth. The main difference between this team when it was winning and all the losing now is the presence of STAT and Melo. They dominate the 1st and 3rd qtrs and lo and behold we lose the 3rd qtr of games constantly. If this team is gonna win, they either have to step up their effort in the 3rd qtr or we have to make a change coming out for the 3rd qtr of games. Or perhaps make a quicker rotation change in the 3rd before we lose it completely.

So is it possible that Lin is a contributor to the third / first quarter debacles? That his turnovers are leading to continuous fast breaks that are hard to defend? That allows all guards to penetrate at will?

That he is running into a bit of a wall?

Can YOU accept the truth?

Stat can't defend, Lin can't defend, Melo can defend one on one but not team defense? Can we agree on this?

And, MDA needs to do a better job with the first team?

Second teams usually are motivated cause they have to prove that they are first team type players.

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:The team is also slow to start games...the only constant is that the same personnel are on the floor in both the beginning of the 1st and 3rd qtrs

YUP! Some people around here don't want to accept the truth. The main difference between this team when it was winning and all the losing now is the presence of STAT and Melo. They dominate the 1st and 3rd qtrs and lo and behold we lose the 3rd qtr of games constantly. If this team is gonna win, they either have to step up their effort in the 3rd qtr or we have to make a change coming out for the 3rd qtr of games. Or perhaps make a quicker rotation change in the 3rd before we lose it completely.

So is it possible that Lin is a contributor to the third / first quarter debacles? That his turnovers are leading to continuous fast breaks that are hard to defend? That allows all guards to penetrate at will?

That he is running into a bit of a wall?

Can YOU accept the truth?

Stat can't defend, Lin can't defend, Melo can defend one on one but not team defense? Can we agree on this?

And, MDA needs to do a better job with the first team?

Second teams usually are motivated cause they have to prove that they are first team type players.

mrKnickShot wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:The team is also slow to start games...the only constant is that the same personnel are on the floor in both the beginning of the 1st and 3rd qtrs

YUP! Some people around here don't want to accept the truth. The main difference between this team when it was winning and all the losing now is the presence of STAT and Melo. They dominate the 1st and 3rd qtrs and lo and behold we lose the 3rd qtr of games constantly. If this team is gonna win, they either have to step up their effort in the 3rd qtr or we have to make a change coming out for the 3rd qtr of games. Or perhaps make a quicker rotation change in the 3rd before we lose it completely.

So is it possible that Lin is a contributor to the third / first quarter debacles? That his turnovers are leading to continuous fast breaks that are hard to defend? That allows all guards to penetrate at will?

That he is running into a bit of a wall?

Can YOU accept the truth?

Stat can't defend, Lin can't defend, Melo can defend one on one but not team defense? Can we agree on this?

And, MDA needs to do a better job with the first team?

Second teams usually are motivated cause they have to prove that they are first team type players.

man we need this guy to be in the knicks front office. he can get PJAX and Melo to lead us to the NBA championship

Good one my little brutha lol lol lol easy buddy relax - just kidding lol lol

mrKnickShot wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:The team is also slow to start games...the only constant is that the same personnel are on the floor in both the beginning of the 1st and 3rd qtrs

YUP! Some people around here don't want to accept the truth. The main difference between this team when it was winning and all the losing now is the presence of STAT and Melo. They dominate the 1st and 3rd qtrs and lo and behold we lose the 3rd qtr of games constantly. If this team is gonna win, they either have to step up their effort in the 3rd qtr or we have to make a change coming out for the 3rd qtr of games. Or perhaps make a quicker rotation change in the 3rd before we lose it completely.

So is it possible that Lin is a contributor to the third / first quarter debacles? That his turnovers are leading to continuous fast breaks that are hard to defend? That allows all guards to penetrate at will?

That he is running into a bit of a wall?

Can YOU accept the truth?

Stat can't defend, Lin can't defend, Melo can defend one on one but not team defense? Can we agree on this?

And, MDA needs to do a better job with the first team?

Second teams usually are motivated cause they have to prove that they are first team type players.

man we need this guy to be in the knicks front office. he can get PJAX and Melo to lead us to the NBA championship

Good one my little brutha lol lol lol easy buddy relax - just kidding lol lol

Relax man lol lol lol lol lol lol. I was just joking lol lol lol lol

your so cute - teenagers! gotta love em

LOL LOL LOL

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:The team is also slow to start games...the only constant is that the same personnel are on the floor in both the beginning of the 1st and 3rd qtrs

YUP! Some people around here don't want to accept the truth. The main difference between this team when it was winning and all the losing now is the presence of STAT and Melo. They dominate the 1st and 3rd qtrs and lo and behold we lose the 3rd qtr of games constantly. If this team is gonna win, they either have to step up their effort in the 3rd qtr or we have to make a change coming out for the 3rd qtr of games. Or perhaps make a quicker rotation change in the 3rd before we lose it completely.

So is it possible that Lin is a contributor to the third / first quarter debacles? That his turnovers are leading to continuous fast breaks that are hard to defend? That allows all guards to penetrate at will?

That he is running into a bit of a wall?

Can YOU accept the truth?

Stat can't defend, Lin can't defend, Melo can defend one on one but not team defense? Can we agree on this?

And, MDA needs to do a better job with the first team?

Second teams usually are motivated cause they have to prove that they are first team type players.

Lin is a PG. There are very few PG's that can shut down an opposing PG, mainly because there's so much space to cover, PG are usually the most elusive players and they get picks to help them get free!!! Don't compare Lin to an All Star level player like Melo in term of expectations.

The real problem is that no PG is going to be able to deal with all of the tough aspects of defending the position without a solid TEAM defensive unit behind him. That's why it seemed like Lin was less of an issue when we have our best defensive unit in there. When it comes to our defense, Lin isn't really the problem.

Lin has to be better with the ball and value possessions more. Still when you handle the ball as much as he does you can expect TO's. Defenses are keying on him. Statistically Lin is better in the 2nd half of games. Most of his TO's come in the 1st half of games.

I can't speak on Lin hitting a wall but once again, STAT and Melo are the stars of the team and have the experience. They must give more effort and much more is expected of them. No need to shift the blame to a kid when there are All Stars who should be helping him and not making it harder for him. When STAT and Melo don't play good team defense it makes the game harder for Lin.

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:The team is also slow to start games...the only constant is that the same personnel are on the floor in both the beginning of the 1st and 3rd qtrs

YUP! Some people around here don't want to accept the truth. The main difference between this team when it was winning and all the losing now is the presence of STAT and Melo. They dominate the 1st and 3rd qtrs and lo and behold we lose the 3rd qtr of games constantly. If this team is gonna win, they either have to step up their effort in the 3rd qtr or we have to make a change coming out for the 3rd qtr of games. Or perhaps make a quicker rotation change in the 3rd before we lose it completely.

So is it possible that Lin is a contributor to the third / first quarter debacles? That his turnovers are leading to continuous fast breaks that are hard to defend? That allows all guards to penetrate at will?

That he is running into a bit of a wall?

Can YOU accept the truth?

Stat can't defend, Lin can't defend, Melo can defend one on one but not team defense? Can we agree on this?

And, MDA needs to do a better job with the first team?

Second teams usually are motivated cause they have to prove that they are first team type players.

Lin is a PG. There are very few PG's that can shut down an opposing PG, mainly because there's so much space to cover, PG are usually the most elusive players and they get picks to help them get free!!! Don't compare Lin to an All Star level player like Melo in term of expectations.

The real problem is that no PG is going to be able to deal with all of the tough aspects of defending the position without a solid TEAM defensive unit behind him. That's why it seemed like Lin was less of an issue when we have our best defensive unit in there. When it comes to our defense, Lin isn't really the problem.

Lin has to be better with the ball and value possessions more. Still when you handle the ball as much as he does you can expect TO's. Defenses are keying on him. Statistically Lin is better in the 2nd half of games. Most of his TO's come in the 1st half of games.

I can't speak on Lin hitting a wall but once again, STAT and Melo are the stars of the team and have the experience. They must give more effort and much more is expected of them. No need to shift the blame to a kid when there are All Stars who should be helping him and not making it harder for him. When STAT and Melo don't play good team defense it makes the game harder for Lin.

Lin gets blame like all the rest of them. He is an awful defender and is NOW being exposed for it. Teams are smart, they watch film and figure things out.

Stat and Melo are not JJ defensively but Stat ain't Melo defensively.

PJax will figure this out hopefully.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:The big difference between Kobe and Melo is that when everyone was bashing Kobe, the kid was 20 or 21 years old.

If you are telling me that they were saying about Kobe what they are saying about Melo today, that's fair, but Melo is 27 years old.

That's the crux.

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:The team is also slow to start games...the only constant is that the same personnel are on the floor in both the beginning of the 1st and 3rd qtrs

YUP! Some people around here don't want to accept the truth. The main difference between this team when it was winning and all the losing now is the presence of STAT and Melo. They dominate the 1st and 3rd qtrs and lo and behold we lose the 3rd qtr of games constantly. If this team is gonna win, they either have to step up their effort in the 3rd qtr or we have to make a change coming out for the 3rd qtr of games. Or perhaps make a quicker rotation change in the 3rd before we lose it completely.

So is it possible that Lin is a contributor to the third / first quarter debacles? That his turnovers are leading to continuous fast breaks that are hard to defend? That allows all guards to penetrate at will?

That he is running into a bit of a wall?

Can YOU accept the truth?

Stat can't defend, Lin can't defend, Melo can defend one on one but not team defense? Can we agree on this?

And, MDA needs to do a better job with the first team?

Second teams usually are motivated cause they have to prove that they are first team type players.

Lin is a PG. There are very few PG's that can shut down an opposing PG, mainly because there's so much space to cover, PG are usually the most elusive players and they get picks to help them get free!!! Don't compare Lin to an All Star level player like Melo in term of expectations.

The real problem is that no PG is going to be able to deal with all of the tough aspects of defending the position without a solid TEAM defensive unit behind him. That's why it seemed like Lin was less of an issue when we have our best defensive unit in there. When it comes to our defense, Lin isn't really the problem.

Lin has to be better with the ball and value possessions more. Still when you handle the ball as much as he does you can expect TO's. Defenses are keying on him. Statistically Lin is better in the 2nd half of games. Most of his TO's come in the 1st half of games.

I can't speak on Lin hitting a wall but once again, STAT and Melo are the stars of the team and have the experience. They must give more effort and much more is expected of them. No need to shift the blame to a kid when there are All Stars who should be helping him and not making it harder for him. When STAT and Melo don't play good team defense it makes the game harder for Lin.

Lin gets blame like all the rest of them. He is an awful defender and is NOW being exposed for it. Teams are smart, they watch film and figure things out.

Stat and Melo are not JJ defensively but Stat ain't Melo defensively.

PJax will figure this out hopefully.

NO you want to make this an equal situation and it's not. STAT and Melo are the All Stars on this tem and stars are supposed to be the MAIN reasons their teams win. Don't try and deflect this elsewhere. Not when Lin and the role players actually play better than when Lin is in there with STAT and Melo. This isn't about Lin or Fields. This is about STAT and Melo. This entire thread started with the fact that this team keeps losing games in the 3rd qtr when STAT and Melo are supposed to come out ready to go and lift the team. Regardless of whether Lin has a great game or poor game the results have been the same. Go look at the game log.

If this team is gonna win STAT and Melo can't keep sucking in the 2nd half of games!!!

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:The team is also slow to start games...the only constant is that the same personnel are on the floor in both the beginning of the 1st and 3rd qtrs

YUP! Some people around here don't want to accept the truth. The main difference between this team when it was winning and all the losing now is the presence of STAT and Melo. They dominate the 1st and 3rd qtrs and lo and behold we lose the 3rd qtr of games constantly. If this team is gonna win, they either have to step up their effort in the 3rd qtr or we have to make a change coming out for the 3rd qtr of games. Or perhaps make a quicker rotation change in the 3rd before we lose it completely.

So is it possible that Lin is a contributor to the third / first quarter debacles? That his turnovers are leading to continuous fast breaks that are hard to defend? That allows all guards to penetrate at will?

That he is running into a bit of a wall?

Can YOU accept the truth?

Stat can't defend, Lin can't defend, Melo can defend one on one but not team defense? Can we agree on this?

And, MDA needs to do a better job with the first team?

Second teams usually are motivated cause they have to prove that they are first team type players.

Lin is a PG. There are very few PG's that can shut down an opposing PG, mainly because there's so much space to cover, PG are usually the most elusive players and they get picks to help them get free!!! Don't compare Lin to an All Star level player like Melo in term of expectations.

The real problem is that no PG is going to be able to deal with all of the tough aspects of defending the position without a solid TEAM defensive unit behind him. That's why it seemed like Lin was less of an issue when we have our best defensive unit in there. When it comes to our defense, Lin isn't really the problem.

Lin has to be better with the ball and value possessions more. Still when you handle the ball as much as he does you can expect TO's. Defenses are keying on him. Statistically Lin is better in the 2nd half of games. Most of his TO's come in the 1st half of games.

I can't speak on Lin hitting a wall but once again, STAT and Melo are the stars of the team and have the experience. They must give more effort and much more is expected of them. No need to shift the blame to a kid when there are All Stars who should be helping him and not making it harder for him. When STAT and Melo don't play good team defense it makes the game harder for Lin.

Lin gets blame like all the rest of them. He is an awful defender and is NOW being exposed for it. Teams are smart, they watch film and figure things out.

Stat and Melo are not JJ defensively but Stat ain't Melo defensively.

PJax will figure this out hopefully.

NO you want to make this an equal situation and it's not. STAT and Melo are the All Stars on this tem and stars are supposed to be the MAIN reasons their teams win. Don't try and deflect this elsewhere. Not when Lin and the role players actually play better than when Lin is in there with STAT and Melo. This isn't about Lin or Fields. This is about STAT and Melo. This entire thread started with the fact that this team keeps losing games in the 3rd qtr when STAT and Melo are supposed to come out ready to go and lift the team. Regardless of whether Lin has a great game or poor game the results have been the same. Go look at the game log.

If this team is gonna win STAT and Melo can't keep sucking in the 2nd half of games!!!

And neither can Lin as unheralded as he is. If he's sucking or if anyone else is, yank em. Sucking has nothing to do with how much your making. You play like sh1t, you sit like sh1t.

No excuses - don't care who you are.

Did you see how many fast break points the knicks gave up off turnovers to the sixers? Was Lin not part of that or does he get a pass? Nobody gets a pass.

JCrusher wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:The team is also slow to start games...the only constant is that the same personnel are on the floor in both the beginning of the 1st and 3rd qtrs

YUP! Some people around here don't want to accept the truth. The main difference between this team when it was winning and all the losing now is the presence of STAT and Melo. They dominate the 1st and 3rd qtrs and lo and behold we lose the 3rd qtr of games constantly. If this team is gonna win, they either have to step up their effort in the 3rd qtr or we have to make a change coming out for the 3rd qtr of games. Or perhaps make a quicker rotation change in the 3rd before we lose it completely.

So is it possible that Lin is a contributor to the third / first quarter debacles? That his turnovers are leading to continuous fast breaks that are hard to defend? That allows all guards to penetrate at will?

That he is running into a bit of a wall?

Can YOU accept the truth?

Stat can't defend, Lin can't defend, Melo can defend one on one but not team defense? Can we agree on this?

And, MDA needs to do a better job with the first team?

Second teams usually are motivated cause they have to prove that they are first team type players.

Lin is a PG. There are very few PG's that can shut down an opposing PG, mainly because there's so much space to cover, PG are usually the most elusive players and they get picks to help them get free!!! Don't compare Lin to an All Star level player like Melo in term of expectations.

The real problem is that no PG is going to be able to deal with all of the tough aspects of defending the position without a solid TEAM defensive unit behind him. That's why it seemed like Lin was less of an issue when we have our best defensive unit in there. When it comes to our defense, Lin isn't really the problem.

Lin has to be better with the ball and value possessions more. Still when you handle the ball as much as he does you can expect TO's. Defenses are keying on him. Statistically Lin is better in the 2nd half of games. Most of his TO's come in the 1st half of games.

I can't speak on Lin hitting a wall but once again, STAT and Melo are the stars of the team and have the experience. They must give more effort and much more is expected of them. No need to shift the blame to a kid when there are All Stars who should be helping him and not making it harder for him. When STAT and Melo don't play good team defense it makes the game harder for Lin.

Lin gets blame like all the rest of them. He is an awful defender and is NOW being exposed for it. Teams are smart, they watch film and figure things out.

Stat and Melo are not JJ defensively but Stat ain't Melo defensively.

PJax will figure this out hopefully.

NO you want to make this an equal situation and it's not. STAT and Melo are the All Stars on this tem and stars are supposed to be the MAIN reasons their teams win. Don't try and deflect this elsewhere. Not when Lin and the role players actually play better than when Lin is in there with STAT and Melo. This isn't about Lin or Fields. This is about STAT and Melo. This entire thread started with the fact that this team keeps losing games in the 3rd qtr when STAT and Melo are supposed to come out ready to go and lift the team. Regardless of whether Lin has a great game or poor game the results have been the same. Go look at the game log.

If this team is gonna win STAT and Melo can't keep sucking in the 2nd half of games!!!

And neither can Lin as unheralded as he is. If he's sucking or if anyone else is, yank em. Sucking has nothing to do with how much your making. You play like sh1t, you sit like sh1t.

No excuses - don't care who you are.

Did you see how many fast break points the knicks gave up off turnovers to the sixers? Was Lin not part of that or does he get a pass? Nobody gets a pass.

Of course lin deserves blame no question if he turns the ball over that much he should be benched but you cant let your boy melo off the hook just like nobody can let let amare off the hook

In what universe do we blame things on the role players rather than the stars who lead? Only in mrKnickShot's universe!!! Lin may have his faults, but the team didn't even have a CHANCE until he came along. If Melo did as much to help the team win, we'd be over .500 right now!!! Tell me mrKnickShot where is Melo's long winning streak for this team where he carried them??? Even STAT can say that he carried the team to wins last year. Where is the Melo streak??? Where is Melosanity??? STAT had a period where is was in consideration for MVP. STAT did that here and in PHX where he carried the Suns his last year. Where is Melo's similar streak here in NY??? Since he's been here Melo has been a net negative.

mrKnickShot wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:The big difference between Kobe and Melo is that when everyone was bashing Kobe, the kid was 20 or 21 years old.

If you are telling me that they were saying about Kobe what they are saying about Melo today, that's fair, but Melo is 27 years old.

That's the crux.

They bashed kobe for many years after that. Even after he won with shaq. People love to bash - sometimes for good reason.

My point is that I think PJax can get the most out of him and I think that he would be a monster in the non-gimicky triangle offense.

They bashed him for stuff outside of basketball. We're talking pre-Championship bashing. This bashing was when Kobe was 18-21 years old; Carmelo is 27 with 25 first-round exists to his name.

Triangle is more a gimmick than SSOL; SSOL is simply basketball played 'the right way': hitting open guy, moving basketball, everyone getting in on the action. There is nothing gimmicky about SSOL, it's just that it stands out like an ugly woman in a land of isolation hoops.