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nixluva
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3/10/2012  2:40 PM
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nixluva wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:NixLuva - Everything you said is true, except for Lin. Lin outplayed Jennings last night and mostly stayed in front of him, quite well actually.

Lin was playing GREAT defense during that streak and he has just goten burned out. His legs were gone, but never his vision. Clearly his defense is starting to come on again lately. I just think he is getting some of his legs back lately. But now with Baron and him playing together (which seems to work), Lin is back to getting the most minutes on the team. Double edged sword perhaps, time will tell.


Yeah I think you may be right. Perhaps it was a little fatigue that got to Lin. He was great last night! I was so impressed with Lin's D on a really quick Jennings. It seems to me that one on one Lin is fine, it's just those constant picks that allowed guys to burn him. It was good to see the old aggressive Lin.

Good point, I forget to mention the picks. Did you notice Lin wasn't switching? He was going over them, not under them, every time from what I remember. I'm sure the coach told him to (at least I hope). I hope we modify the switching, it is painful to watch and a play to be used by the opponents when they need a mismatch.

No coach teaches players to go under the pick!!! This is something MDA used to SCREAM on Nate about. No one ever told STAT not to come out and hedge against guards on the PnR. He just played mindless BB. How can any player be in the league as long as STAT and not have any idea of how to play the PnR? It's been a staple of his offense and i'm pretty sure he's had to defend it in practice every single day. That's just STAT being lazy.

If STAT and Melo led the way on D and on the boards this team would be in the 3rd position for the playoffs right now!

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3/10/2012  2:43 PM
RoyBatty wrote:One thing I don't get: we're all fans and we see how crappy amare is as a defender; so the coaches must see it towhyo (that and his hands of stone). So doesn't anyone tell them? Are they so untouchable? Were talking about people in their late 20s not 60 year olds. Heck, at 29 I was still learning how to do my job properly.

i think you just assumed that the coaches forgot or don't want to tell Amare that he stinks at D, and then instruct him what to do.

There is a reason MDA and everyone wanted JJ2 back on team at all costs.

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3/10/2012  2:46 PM
nixluva wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
nixluva wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:NixLuva - Everything you said is true, except for Lin. Lin outplayed Jennings last night and mostly stayed in front of him, quite well actually.

Lin was playing GREAT defense during that streak and he has just goten burned out. His legs were gone, but never his vision. Clearly his defense is starting to come on again lately. I just think he is getting some of his legs back lately. But now with Baron and him playing together (which seems to work), Lin is back to getting the most minutes on the team. Double edged sword perhaps, time will tell.


Yeah I think you may be right. Perhaps it was a little fatigue that got to Lin. He was great last night! I was so impressed with Lin's D on a really quick Jennings. It seems to me that one on one Lin is fine, it's just those constant picks that allowed guys to burn him. It was good to see the old aggressive Lin.

Good point, I forget to mention the picks. Did you notice Lin wasn't switching? He was going over them, not under them, every time from what I remember. I'm sure the coach told him to (at least I hope). I hope we modify the switching, it is painful to watch and a play to be used by the opponents when they need a mismatch.

No coach teaches players to go under the pick!!! This is something MDA used to SCREAM on Nate about. No one ever told STAT not to come out and hedge against guards on the PnR. He just played mindless BB. How can any player be in the league as long as STAT and not have any idea of how to play the PnR? It's been a staple of his offense and i'm pretty sure he's had to defend it in practice every single day. That's just STAT being lazy.

If STAT and Melo led the way on D and on the boards this team would be in the 3rd position for the playoffs right now!

Just so I understand you, when I say over the pick, I mean to stay with your man. If you go "under" then your man can just have an open J. So, why would coaches teach players to go under?

Lin was staying with Jennings. I was surprised as I thought Jennings was super quick and Lin in that second half (especially) made him look bad with his defense.

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3/10/2012  3:03 PM
RoyBatty wrote:One thing I don't get: we're all fans and we see how crappy amare is as a defender; so the coaches must see it towhyo (that and his hands of stone). So doesn't anyone tell them? Are they so untouchable? Were talking about people in their late 20s not 60 year olds. Heck, at 29 I was still learning how to do my job properly.

have you ever given someone good advice only to have them not listen to you? who's fault is that? yours?

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3/11/2012  12:06 AM
nixluva wrote:Have you ever seen a team that has more one way players than the Knicks? Even the so called stars are one way players. This is why we can't find a mix that works.

Tyson is a great defender, but aside from dunks has no offensive game, so he clogs the middle
STAT is a great PnR player, but dunks like Tarzan and rebounds like Jane. Guy is the worst defensive PF starting in the league.
Melo is really an inefficient scorer that plays D sometimes.
Shump is really a great defender, but just a touch off offensively.
Jared is an excellent team defender that can't make a clean layup consistently to save his life.
Lin played the best defensive game i've seen tonight, but overall he's been torched on D. I'll give him a chance to disprove he's not a 2 way player.

It just goes on and on as you go down the team. Now with role players it's somewhat acceptable if you have a few specialists but GEEZ!!! It makes it super tough to come up with a rotation that will play well consistently on both ends.

I am fine with what the team is doing offensively, but the defense is just absolutely awful. I have never seen so many guys on defense standing around looking at guys slashing to the basket without taking a stab at the ball or the player (except Shumpert and Chandler). J Lin got torched on Friday because he got absolutely no help from his team getting over screens. There was couple of time last night when Lin and Davis were playing defense on a few players.

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3/11/2012  12:19 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
nixluva wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
nixluva wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:NixLuva - Everything you said is true, except for Lin. Lin outplayed Jennings last night and mostly stayed in front of him, quite well actually.

Lin was playing GREAT defense during that streak and he has just goten burned out. His legs were gone, but never his vision. Clearly his defense is starting to come on again lately. I just think he is getting some of his legs back lately. But now with Baron and him playing together (which seems to work), Lin is back to getting the most minutes on the team. Double edged sword perhaps, time will tell.


Yeah I think you may be right. Perhaps it was a little fatigue that got to Lin. He was great last night! I was so impressed with Lin's D on a really quick Jennings. It seems to me that one on one Lin is fine, it's just those constant picks that allowed guys to burn him. It was good to see the old aggressive Lin.

Good point, I forget to mention the picks. Did you notice Lin wasn't switching? He was going over them, not under them, every time from what I remember. I'm sure the coach told him to (at least I hope). I hope we modify the switching, it is painful to watch and a play to be used by the opponents when they need a mismatch.

No coach teaches players to go under the pick!!! This is something MDA used to SCREAM on Nate about. No one ever told STAT not to come out and hedge against guards on the PnR. He just played mindless BB. How can any player be in the league as long as STAT and not have any idea of how to play the PnR? It's been a staple of his offense and i'm pretty sure he's had to defend it in practice every single day. That's just STAT being lazy.

If STAT and Melo led the way on D and on the boards this team would be in the 3rd position for the playoffs right now!

Just so I understand you, when I say over the pick, I mean to stay with your man. If you go "under" then your man can just have an open J. So, why would coaches teach players to go under?

Lin was staying with Jennings. I was surprised as I thought Jennings was super quick and Lin in that second half (especially) made him look bad with his defense.

Allowing the guards to pass thru and stay with their man has always been part of the defense. JLin was actually getting up into his man more often and that was why he was able to get over the pick more often as well as pass between the opposing big and STAT at the top of the key. Teams try to attack with Picks in different ways. Lin was much more aggressive last night, as was STAT on the Picks being set. It could be that they went over some defensive principles with Lin so he could tighten up his man D. In any event Lin's D was impressive.

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3/11/2012  7:16 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:It's the kind of team only Dolan could put together!

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