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nixluva
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3/9/2012  2:11 PM
This is a chicken or Egg argument. Lin isn't sucking now just cuz defenses have suddenly "figured him out". His usage rate has dipped considerably and that means that others who were feeding of of him aren't getting those same looks. The floor is no longer spread cuz Melo is coming looking for the ball and so is his defender. So when that happens it reduces Lin's options. Lin is hesitant now because he's overly concerned with getting the ball to Melo who isn't waiting for the ball to come to him or making himself available by making cuts. The offense is a dance and when we played the Spurs you saw OUR OFFENSE run to perfection. Yeah that's our offense they're running in SA.

Melo should be coming off curls like Novak does. He can come and set a pick for Lin and get involved that way. This is a free flowing offense and really players aren't limited in making smart decisions. Players can talk to each other on the floor and create as they wish. If they see something they can call it. That's what back door plays are for and give and go's. There's no limit to what they can do, but if Melo just wants to run his favorite post up ISO play all night it's gonna slow things down. Unless he does it with the intent to set up a high % shot off a double team as Duncan does. I want Melo to "PLAY WITHIN THE SYSTEM".

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3/9/2012  2:12 PM
Lol Linsanity?

Lin dominating the ball isn't taking this team anywhere but lottery land. Lin

Team is suffering from bad coaching plain and simple. D'Antoni is trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Team barely posts or punishes teams in the paint. It's beyond painful to watch. Jumper after jumper.

I watch the games and it is quite apparent Melo and Amare have to work way to hard to get good shots as well. Sadly I overrated Chandler badly. Guy is a beast but Chris Paul would have been a better deal for us.

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3/9/2012  2:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/9/2012  2:24 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Lol Linsanity?

Lin dominating the ball isn't taking this team anywhere but lottery land. Lin

Team is suffering from bad coaching plain and simple. D'Antoni is trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Team barely posts or punishes teams in the paint. It's beyond painful to watch. Jumper after jumper.

I watch the games and it is quite apparent Melo and Amare have to work way to hard to get good shots as well. Sadly I overrated Chandler badly. Guy is a beast but Chris Paul would have been a better deal for us.

You don't know what you're talking about. There's not a statistic that backs up what you're saying. I can list stat after stat that 100% refutes what you just said. There's nothing you can post that would support your stance. NOTHING! Go ahead and look to see if you can find any data that would support what you just wrote.

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3/9/2012  2:26 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Lol Linsanity?

Lin dominating the ball isn't taking this team anywhere but lottery land. Lin

Team is suffering from bad coaching plain and simple. D'Antoni is trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Team barely posts or punishes teams in the paint. It's beyond painful to watch. Jumper after jumper.

I watch the games and it is quite apparent Melo and Amare have to work way to hard to get good shots as well. Sadly I overrated Chandler badly. Guy is a beast but Chris Paul would have been a better deal for us.

Chris Paul? ok but we still don't play D.

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3/9/2012  2:29 PM
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Rookie wrote:I could care less which Melo shows up, I want Linsanity back! I wish he would stop trying to fit in with Melo and just play his own game.....which everyone else on the team except for Melo and Amare seem to thrive in.

Lin caught teams by surprise now teams are adjusting to his game. Lin controls Linsanity not Melo that is something Melo dislikers have to understand.

don't agree. during Liinsanity, he had the ball in his hands a LOT and was making decisions; now, not so much.

Teams also figured out how to take the ball out of his hands by trapping him the whole game. And it worked. Now its our turn to adjust to it.

Teams can only trap Lin because the Knicks don't set real picks. They slip the pick which means the inital defender does not have to fight over a screen. The fighting over the screen part is what gives Lin the time to take the Bigman off the dribble before any double team can occur. When you slip the screen the both defenders just stick to Lin and his passing lanes are blocked off.

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3/9/2012  2:31 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:The Melo I want has never existed. Even in that video, he took way too many bad shots that happened to fall on that day.

pretty much.


The player you seek does not exist. You know the one that never misses a shot the one that gets an assist on every pass. The one that takes a charge on every play the one that blocks every shot taken by an opponent.

i just want Melo to take efficient shots 75% of the time. and no ISO (unless you have a major mismatch) until 10 second left on the shot clock. is that too much to ask?

I agree with this 100%. Melo could be taking the shots Walker took during Linsanity. There should be constant "real" Picks set for Lin. Iso's should only occur with 6 secs or less on the clock.

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3/9/2012  2:33 PM
nixluva wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Lol Linsanity?

Lin dominating the ball isn't taking this team anywhere but lottery land. Lin

Team is suffering from bad coaching plain and simple. D'Antoni is trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Team barely posts or punishes teams in the paint. It's beyond painful to watch. Jumper after jumper.

I watch the games and it is quite apparent Melo and Amare have to work way to hard to get good shots as well. Sadly I overrated Chandler badly. Guy is a beast but Chris Paul would have been a better deal for us.

You don't know what you're talking about. There's not a statistic that backs up what you're saying. I can list stat after stat that 100% refutes what you just said. There's nothing you can post that would support your stance. NOTHING! Go ahead and look to see if you can find any data that would support what you just wrote.

So Lin getting to the basket and getting snuffed again and again is somehow on Melo. Teams are making a concerted effort to target Lin and there is adjustment to be made by Lin and MDA. Right now opposing PGs are taking the challenge of playing Lin personally. If anything MDA has to come up with a solution to get Melo more involved to take some of the pressure off of Lin after all Melo is the second best passer on the Knicks.

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3/9/2012  2:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/9/2012  2:38 PM
Clean wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Rookie wrote:I could care less which Melo shows up, I want Linsanity back! I wish he would stop trying to fit in with Melo and just play his own game.....which everyone else on the team except for Melo and Amare seem to thrive in.

Lin caught teams by surprise now teams are adjusting to his game. Lin controls Linsanity not Melo that is something Melo dislikers have to understand.

don't agree. during Liinsanity, he had the ball in his hands a LOT and was making decisions; now, not so much.

Teams also figured out how to take the ball out of his hands by trapping him the whole game. And it worked. Now its our turn to adjust to it.

Teams can only trap Lin because the Knicks don't set real picks. They slip the pick which means the inital defender does not have to fight over a screen. The fighting over the screen part is what gives Lin the time to take the Bigman off the dribble before any double team can occur. When you slip the screen the both defenders just stick to Lin and his passing lanes are blocked off.


Its amazing that nobody sends a note to the team to help them?

If a defender sees the pick coming and steps up into Lin, the pick then rolls. Rolls before contact. They are stepping into Lin and trapping him. When he can, he tries to split this trap. He can go left but the wind defender is usually there. Right side is open but at 6-3 and dribbling low he cant swing it over so fast.

How to fix it? Duh. Fire the coach.

BUt if you must, im sure the KNicks staff would like to hear from you.

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3/9/2012  3:54 PM
Clean wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Rookie wrote:I could care less which Melo shows up, I want Linsanity back! I wish he would stop trying to fit in with Melo and just play his own game.....which everyone else on the team except for Melo and Amare seem to thrive in.

Lin caught teams by surprise now teams are adjusting to his game. Lin controls Linsanity not Melo that is something Melo dislikers have to understand.

don't agree. during Liinsanity, he had the ball in his hands a LOT and was making decisions; now, not so much.

Teams also figured out how to take the ball out of his hands by trapping him the whole game. And it worked. Now its our turn to adjust to it.

Teams can only trap Lin because the Knicks don't set real picks. They slip the pick which means the inital defender does not have to fight over a screen. The fighting over the screen part is what gives Lin the time to take the Bigman off the dribble before any double team can occur. When you slip the screen the both defenders just stick to Lin and his passing lanes are blocked off.

I agree with you on the picks. I have seen one maybe two good picks from Melo. It is like players do not understand how to set a pick and do not realize how important a good screen is. They are too focus on getting the ball on that possession but if you set a good screen and get your pg in the lane it sets up everything else going forward, especially in this offense.

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3/9/2012  3:59 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Rookie wrote:I could care less which Melo shows up, I want Linsanity back! I wish he would stop trying to fit in with Melo and just play his own game.....which everyone else on the team except for Melo and Amare seem to thrive in.

Lin caught teams by surprise now teams are adjusting to his game. Lin controls Linsanity not Melo that is something Melo dislikers have to understand.

don't agree. during Liinsanity, he had the ball in his hands a LOT and was making decisions; now, not so much.

Teams also figured out how to take the ball out of his hands by trapping him the whole game. And it worked. Now its our turn to adjust to it.

nailed it

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3/9/2012  4:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/9/2012  4:03 PM
That Melo no longer exist...He rushes his shots now trying to fit into the offense...He is listening to the chirping from the stands and the Knick announcers... Every shot he takes, gets critiqued...I have never seen him rush shots or take them so quickly in his career...On the video, he gets under his stoke, which he rarely does now...

Every star player does ISO..Everyone..It didn't start with Jordan as some has suggested here...Kareem did it, Bird did it, Magic did it,Ewing did it,Duncan did it, Artist Gilmore did it...Bron does it, Kobe does it, Rose does it..It comes with the territory...Not everyone jacks it up like Ray Allen...

This could be use to the team's advantage, the pick and roll can be run from the high post and the low post thru Melo like how Duncan and the Spurs schooled us earlier this week...Lin doesn't have to be the beginning and the end of the pick and roll...This is the team guys like it or not...Players have to adjust, coach has to adjust...No one is blinking...Lets see who outlast whom...
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3/9/2012  4:03 PM
holfresh wrote:That Melo no longer exist...He rushes his shots now trying to fit into the offense...He is listening to the chirping from the stands and the Knick announcers... Every shot he takes, gets critiqued...I have never seen him rush shots or take them so quickly in his career...On the video, he gets under his stoke, which he rarely does now...

Every star player does ISO..Everyone..It didn't start with Jordan as some has suggested here...Kareem did it, Bird did it, Magic did it, Artist Gilmore did it...Bron does it, Kobe does it..It comes with the territory...Not everyone jacks it up like Ray Allen...

This could be use to the team's advantage, the pick and roll can be run from the high post and the low post thru Melo like how Duncan and the Spurs schooled us earlier this week...Lin doesn't have to be the beginning and the end of the pick and roll...This is the team guys like it or not...Players have to adjust, coach has to adjust...No one is blinking...Lets see who outlast whom...

What you describe is Melo's own doing. He's the one that needs to get his mind right and slow down and relax. He also at anytime can call for a PnR. MDA gave his total authority to run plays like a PG or Point F. It's all about Melo. He's a leader of the tam but needs to take the reigns and be a leader.

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3/9/2012  4:25 PM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:That Melo no longer exist...He rushes his shots now trying to fit into the offense...He is listening to the chirping from the stands and the Knick announcers... Every shot he takes, gets critiqued...I have never seen him rush shots or take them so quickly in his career...On the video, he gets under his stoke, which he rarely does now...

Every star player does ISO..Everyone..It didn't start with Jordan as some has suggested here...Kareem did it, Bird did it, Magic did it, Artist Gilmore did it...Bron does it, Kobe does it..It comes with the territory...Not everyone jacks it up like Ray Allen...

This could be use to the team's advantage, the pick and roll can be run from the high post and the low post thru Melo like how Duncan and the Spurs schooled us earlier this week...Lin doesn't have to be the beginning and the end of the pick and roll...This is the team guys like it or not...Players have to adjust, coach has to adjust...No one is blinking...Lets see who outlast whom...

What you describe is Melo's own doing. He's the one that needs to get his mind right and slow down and relax. He also at anytime can call for a PnR. MDA gave his total authority to run plays like a PG or Point F. It's all about Melo. He's a leader of the tam but needs to take the reigns and be a leader.

Oh he's the leader now?..It's not Lin's and Chandler's team?

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3/9/2012  4:29 PM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:That Melo no longer exist...He rushes his shots now trying to fit into the offense...He is listening to the chirping from the stands and the Knick announcers... Every shot he takes, gets critiqued...I have never seen him rush shots or take them so quickly in his career...On the video, he gets under his stoke, which he rarely does now...

Every star player does ISO..Everyone..It didn't start with Jordan as some has suggested here...Kareem did it, Bird did it, Magic did it, Artist Gilmore did it...Bron does it, Kobe does it..It comes with the territory...Not everyone jacks it up like Ray Allen...

This could be use to the team's advantage, the pick and roll can be run from the high post and the low post thru Melo like how Duncan and the Spurs schooled us earlier this week...Lin doesn't have to be the beginning and the end of the pick and roll...This is the team guys like it or not...Players have to adjust, coach has to adjust...No one is blinking...Lets see who outlast whom...

What you describe is Melo's own doing. He's the one that needs to get his mind right and slow down and relax. He also at anytime can call for a PnR. MDA gave his total authority to run plays like a PG or Point F. It's all about Melo. He's a leader of the tam but needs to take the reigns and be a leader.

Those pick and roll has to be worked on in practice..It's not an in game call..Spurs run it to perfection, they worked on it many years ... Coach need to get his mind right too...

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3/9/2012  4:39 PM
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nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:That Melo no longer exist...He rushes his shots now trying to fit into the offense...He is listening to the chirping from the stands and the Knick announcers... Every shot he takes, gets critiqued...I have never seen him rush shots or take them so quickly in his career...On the video, he gets under his stoke, which he rarely does now...

Every star player does ISO..Everyone..It didn't start with Jordan as some has suggested here...Kareem did it, Bird did it, Magic did it, Artist Gilmore did it...Bron does it, Kobe does it..It comes with the territory...Not everyone jacks it up like Ray Allen...

This could be use to the team's advantage, the pick and roll can be run from the high post and the low post thru Melo like how Duncan and the Spurs schooled us earlier this week...Lin doesn't have to be the beginning and the end of the pick and roll...This is the team guys like it or not...Players have to adjust, coach has to adjust...No one is blinking...Lets see who outlast whom...

What you describe is Melo's own doing. He's the one that needs to get his mind right and slow down and relax. He also at anytime can call for a PnR. MDA gave his total authority to run plays like a PG or Point F. It's all about Melo. He's a leader of the tam but needs to take the reigns and be a leader.

Those pick and roll has to be worked on in practice..It's not an in game call..Spurs run it to perfection, they worked on it many years ... Coach need to get his mind right too...

You don't know what you're talking about. Lin, Melo, Shump, Fields, JR or Baron can call for a pick at anytime!!! They all know what to do once a PnR is called for. The players not in the PNR know that they need to spread the floor and so it's nonsense to think the players don't understand what to do in that regard.

The Spurs have basically adopted MDA's offense. Yea they have a few tweaks, but it's really MDA's PnR spread offense.

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3/9/2012  4:41 PM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:That Melo no longer exist...He rushes his shots now trying to fit into the offense...He is listening to the chirping from the stands and the Knick announcers... Every shot he takes, gets critiqued...I have never seen him rush shots or take them so quickly in his career...On the video, he gets under his stoke, which he rarely does now...

Every star player does ISO..Everyone..It didn't start with Jordan as some has suggested here...Kareem did it, Bird did it, Magic did it, Artist Gilmore did it...Bron does it, Kobe does it..It comes with the territory...Not everyone jacks it up like Ray Allen...

This could be use to the team's advantage, the pick and roll can be run from the high post and the low post thru Melo like how Duncan and the Spurs schooled us earlier this week...Lin doesn't have to be the beginning and the end of the pick and roll...This is the team guys like it or not...Players have to adjust, coach has to adjust...No one is blinking...Lets see who outlast whom...

What you describe is Melo's own doing. He's the one that needs to get his mind right and slow down and relax. He also at anytime can call for a PnR. MDA gave his total authority to run plays like a PG or Point F. It's all about Melo. He's a leader of the tam but needs to take the reigns and be a leader.

Those pick and roll has to be worked on in practice..It's not an in game call..Spurs run it to perfection, they worked on it many years ... Coach need to get his mind right too...

You don't know what you're talking about. Lin, Melo, Shump, Fields, JR or Baron can call for a pick at anytime!!! They all know what to do once a PnR is called for. The players not in the PNR know that they need to spread the floor and so it's nonsense to think the players don't understand what to do in that regard.

The Spurs have basically adopted MDA's offense. Yea they have a few tweaks, but it's really MDA's PnR spread offense.

what blows my mind is that the Spurs--THE SPURS!!--have essentially mastered the offense in no time at all

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3/9/2012  4:47 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:what blows my mind is that the Spurs--THE SPURS!!--have essentially mastered the offense in no time at all

So frustrating this knicks fandom is.

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3/9/2012  4:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/9/2012  4:52 PM
eViL wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:what blows my mind is that the Spurs--THE SPURS!!--have essentially mastered the offense in no time at all

So frustrating this knicks fandom is.

I like to remind my dad that he passed this curse down onto me

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3/9/2012  4:54 PM
eViL wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:what blows my mind is that the Spurs--THE SPURS!!--have essentially mastered the offense in no time at all

So frustrating this knicks fandom is.

The Spurs made the change last year. Pop realized that he needed to change things up and in camp he bascially went with a system based on SSOL. He said that Duncan didn't protest and said do what you need to do. That's why Duncan is a champion.

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3/9/2012  5:10 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
eViL wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:what blows my mind is that the Spurs--THE SPURS!!--have essentially mastered the offense in no time at all

So frustrating this knicks fandom is.

I like to remind my dad that he passed this curse down onto me

Lol. Thanks pops! At least he got to see a championships.

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