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holfresh wrote:Something interesting I saw in the Spurs game...Spur run the pick and roll from the top of the key like we do and also in the low nad high post with Duncan..Why are we not useing Melo to run the P&R on the ISO and in the low post...Why ae we giving defenses one look where Lin gets trapped every time...Melo is a skilled passer...SA run the pick and roll from any spot on the court with various players...Why are we locked into Lin on top of the key...

another melo is the victim post lol

Dude, how about you respond to what he wrote as opposed to the same rhetoric, "Your a Melo fan..."

relax im just sick of hearing the same thing. YIf you read my posts you would see that i dont blame melo as much as others do but if you want me to be honest he hasn't helped much either

Melo has definitely had an up and down year. More down recently, than up. However, most of these posts about Melo seem to be more emotional and personal than they are logical. You weren't a member when the Melo trade went down. The same guys that hated the intial trade of Gallo for Melo, and talked of never rooting for this team again, or becoming Nuggets fans, and starting KNuggets threads, etc, are the same ones that seem to think Melo is the alpha and omega of all of our problems. Is he part of the problem? Absolutely, but what about the other parts?

I know Lin has had a terrific 2 week run, but are we not allowed to mention that he's been getting torched on defense?

Sean Elliot, the color comentator for the Spurs called Amare a Mannequin on defense and suggested that the Spurs run pick and roll at Amare everytime down because he doesn't help defend. Is that Melo's fault too?

Our coach makes zero adjustments defensively, and holds no-one accountable, yet its all Melo's fault. We have posts on this board that suggests if we simply move Melo, all problems solved. Thats ridiculous with all the other problems we have on this team. Posts like that sound personal to me.

I agree some people do make it personal i dont. I try to be fair. I never said its all melo's fault. I have been critical of amare and even lin. The difference is that amare and melo are considered the stars so the blame does ten dot fall on them and im sorry but it should. I understand melo is your fevoirte player but you shouldnt take it so personally if someone make an honest argument about something he didnt do right

Dude, I'm a Knick fan (Period). Stop saying Melo is my favorite player, its just that its way too easy and lazy in my opinion to point-out the top money-maker on the team as being the sole reason for our struggles.

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holfresh wrote:Something interesting I saw in the Spurs game...Spur run the pick and roll from the top of the key like we do and also in the low nad high post with Duncan..Why are we not useing Melo to run the P&R on the ISO and in the low post...Why ae we giving defenses one look where Lin gets trapped every time...Melo is a skilled passer...SA run the pick and roll from any spot on the court with various players...Why are we locked into Lin on top of the key...

another melo is the victim post lol

Dude, how about you respond to what he wrote as opposed to the same rhetoric, "Your a Melo fan..."

relax im just sick of hearing the same thing. YIf you read my posts you would see that i dont blame melo as much as others do but if you want me to be honest he hasn't helped much either

Melo has definitely had an up and down year. More down recently, than up. However, most of these posts about Melo seem to be more emotional and personal than they are logical. You weren't a member when the Melo trade went down. The same guys that hated the intial trade of Gallo for Melo, and talked of never rooting for this team again, or becoming Nuggets fans, and starting KNuggets threads, etc, are the same ones that seem to think Melo is the alpha and omega of all of our problems. Is he part of the problem? Absolutely, but what about the other parts?

I know Lin has had a terrific 2 week run, but are we not allowed to mention that he's been getting torched on defense?

Sean Elliot, the color comentator for the Spurs called Amare a Mannequin on defense and suggested that the Spurs run pick and roll at Amare everytime down because he doesn't help defend. Is that Melo's fault too?

Our coach makes zero adjustments defensively, and holds no-one accountable, yet its all Melo's fault. We have posts on this board that suggests if we simply move Melo, all problems solved. Thats ridiculous with all the other problems we have on this team. Posts like that sound personal to me.

I agree some people do make it personal i dont. I try to be fair. I never said its all melo's fault. I have been critical of amare and even lin. The difference is that amare and melo are considered the stars so the blame does ten dot fall on them and im sorry but it should. I understand melo is your fevoirte player but you shouldnt take it so personally if someone make an honest argument about something he didnt do right

Dude, I'm a Knick fan (Period). Stop saying Melo is my favorite player, its just that its way too easy and lazy in my opinion to point-out the top money-maker on the team as being the sole reason for our struggles.

this is basketball not ballet lol. I mean if you are considered the top guy you have to take teh good and the bad like lebron did like kobe did. Like I said melo isn't the onluy problem but you cant call it a coincidence that this team looked better when he was hurt. Im not saying he should be benched but he needs to stop pouting and just give more effort. if he would just give more effort with his talent he could be a MVP candidate

The only way to validate a comment like that is to play the same exact teams that we beat during the streak and thay have to play Lin the same way they played him before they put him on the scouting report, with Melo and Stat added to the lineup. Other than that farfetched scenario, saying its simply: When Melo plays= good, when Melo doesn't play= bad is elemntary school logic.

We are killing lin with these phantom picks (no real body contact ala KG) and always rolling to the hoop. Teams now see this and are just trapping Lin every time. So the guy who cut cannot be seen and now he is stuck in a hard double. If a shooter sets the pick who can hit a J or even a 3, that trap would be far less effective since Lin would have an easier time getting the ball to the picker who slid to to the open spot that was vacated for the pick/double.

We run this same damn play everytime and team have figured it out. And I know, who am I to question the genius. True, but I just want to understand the genius - and I don't because I am a novice fan who wants to know better.

Also, for all the 8-1 bull sh1t, teams are not following Miami's defensive scheme. Trap and hope that the knicks continue running the same damn play. IT IS WORKING!! Lin woulda hit this was regardless of who came back or any other BS.

And, who during the 8-1 Championship did the knicks play on the ROAD that was anywhere close to the top teams of MIAMI, BOSTON, DALLAS?

Minnesota??? PLEASE! Did anyone see the wall that Rubio hit? Who's fault is that? Melo's?

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Uptown wrote:So playing the Mavs at home, is equivalent to playing the Mavs on the road after they already got a look at our offense and Lin just a few weeks later? Playing the Raptors on the road is equivalent to playing the Heat on the road? Playing the Wiz on the road is equivalent to playing at Boston? Come on. Your facts are lacking. How about some elaboration and well-thought-out logic to back up your claims.

No. It's never going to exactly the same from game to game. But I will point out that pre-lin the melo-centric offense looked awful no matter what team we played. Then during melo's injury the offense looked significantly smoother and we handled teams that, whether good or not, we struggled with pre-linsanity. Then Melo returned, and yes the competition improved, but beyond that the offense just looks awful again. Stagnant.

You belittle the road competition argument and just pass it off. ITS VERY SIGNIFICANT. Also, Miami exposed Lin a bit by instituting the trap. Now everyone is doing it. Please explain this and don't toss it aside because they are significant.

The knicks only shot to win in Boston (and they should have one if we fouled) was Melo having an heroic 4th quarter. The trapped Lin was not bringing us home.

MDA and Lin need to figure out the trap before we blame Melo for everytime we have diharea.

newyorknewyork wrote:

At the same time i'm sure MDA's system is free enough for Melo to call for a PNR on his own, so he can make those calls himself and doesn't need to depend on MDA.

you're joking right? I can't tell if this is sarcasm.

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eViL wrote:

Uptown wrote:So playing the Mavs at home, is equivalent to playing the Mavs on the road after they already got a look at our offense and Lin just a few weeks later? Playing the Raptors on the road is equivalent to playing the Heat on the road? Playing the Wiz on the road is equivalent to playing at Boston? Come on. Your facts are lacking. How about some elaboration and well-thought-out logic to back up your claims.

No. It's never going to exactly the same from game to game. But I will point out that pre-lin the melo-centric offense looked awful no matter what team we played. Then during melo's injury the offense looked significantly smoother and we handled teams that, whether good or not, we struggled with pre-linsanity. Then Melo returned, and yes the competition improved, but beyond that the offense just looks awful again. Stagnant.

You belittle the road competition argument and just pass it off. ITS VERY SIGNIFICANT. Also, Miami exposed Lin a bit by instituting the trap. Now everyone is doing it. Please explain this and don't toss it aside because they are significant.

The knicks only shot to win in Boston (and they should have one if we fouled) was Melo having an heroic 4th quarter. The trapped Lin was not bringing us home.

MDA and Lin need to figure out the trap before we blame Melo for everytime we have diharea.

You realize that to beat a trap the whole team has to be on the same page, right? It's not just lin. If the spacing is not right there's no chance we'll beat tenacious pressure. Look, I thought these guys would mesh. I'm shocked and disappointed they are not blending.

I don't blame Amare because I've seen him exist and excel in this offense for numerous seasons.

I don't blame Tyson because he too has been able to excel during our 8-1 stretch.

Fact is, only one essential dude seems to be truly struggling to fit. It's Melo. He struggled to fit with Amare early last year and still hasn't found his groove. Sure, Melo has played very well in some games. Notably, game 2 last year and this year's season opener. But in both those games, he was just out of his mind hot. It's not like he was executing any better.

Seldom has he really ran in the team offense and done well. Frustration is the fact that if it were to click for him -- he'd be unstoppable. He wouldn't have to make hero shots all game. He could save those for gamewinners -- which he'd have a lot of. It's tragic what we're missing out on.

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holfresh wrote:Something interesting I saw in the Spurs game...Spur run the pick and roll from the top of the key like we do and also in the low nad high post with Duncan..Why are we not useing Melo to run the P&R on the ISO and in the low post...Why ae we giving defenses one look where Lin gets trapped every time...Melo is a skilled passer...SA run the pick and roll from any spot on the court with various players...Why are we locked into Lin on top of the key...

another melo is the victim post lol

Dude, how about you respond to what he wrote as opposed to the same rhetoric, "Your a Melo fan..."

relax im just sick of hearing the same thing. YIf you read my posts you would see that i dont blame melo as much as others do but if you want me to be honest he hasn't helped much either

Melo has definitely had an up and down year. More down recently, than up. However, most of these posts about Melo seem to be more emotional and personal than they are logical. You weren't a member when the Melo trade went down. The same guys that hated the intial trade of Gallo for Melo, and talked of never rooting for this team again, or becoming Nuggets fans, and starting KNuggets threads, etc, are the same ones that seem to think Melo is the alpha and omega of all of our problems. Is he part of the problem? Absolutely, but what about the other parts?

I know Lin has had a terrific 2 week run, but are we not allowed to mention that he's been getting torched on defense?

Sean Elliot, the color comentator for the Spurs called Amare a Mannequin on defense and suggested that the Spurs run pick and roll at Amare everytime down because he doesn't help defend. Is that Melo's fault too?

Our coach makes zero adjustments defensively, and holds no-one accountable, yet its all Melo's fault. We have posts on this board that suggests if we simply move Melo, all problems solved. Thats ridiculous with all the other problems we have on this team. Posts like that sound personal to me.

I was against the Melo trade but I def do not blame all of this team's problems on him.

- Celts. Mavs. Spurs. These are good teams with veteran PGs who have been playing together forever.

- Amare's D is a HUGE problem and I notice him doing things like NOT fighting for position on the boards. Especially on offense if he's not the guy shooting the ball he kind of sucks at setting hard screens, at fighting for offensive rebounds, etc

- Melo zones out a lot on D and on the boards as well.

- Our best 3 pt shooters are Novak and Smith. Novak is kind of a liability on D and Smith has horrible shot selection

- Jefferies is our best defender but well..he's Jefferies on offense

see?

newyorknewyork wrote:I agree with Holfresh and made a thread about it yesterday. That Melo needs to be the featured PNR guy with Amare. I personally think that it plays to everyone's strengths. Melo can beat the trap due to his size, Lin is better suited providing spacing for Melo then Melo is for Lin.

At the same time i'm sure MDA's system is free enough for Melo to call for a PNR on his own, so he can make those calls himself and doesn't need to depend on MDA.

like this idea

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I agree with Holfresh and made a thread about it yesterday. That Melo needs to be the featured PNR guy with Amare. I personally think that it plays to everyone's strengths. Melo can beat the trap due to his size, Lin is better suited providing spacing for Melo then Melo is for Lin.

At the same time i'm sure MDA's system is free enough for Melo to call for a PNR on his own, so he can make those calls himself and doesn't need to depend on MDA.

like this idea

They should play more Melo at PF, to take advantage of this. He's too quick for Stretch F's, and can shoot it up to 3 pt range against traditional 4's. That would be a good trap beater, since Lin ends up passing to Amare or Tyson who both have trouble dribbling or shooting if it's not near the basket.

mrKnickShot wrote:This response did not really address my points.

mrKnickShot wrote:Did we win on the road during "The Stretch" playing any truly significant team(s)?

we were beating teams during that stretch that were beating us before. we beat a Toronto team that had beaten us earlier in the year. we slaughtered a Washington team that took us to the final possession in our previous game. we beat a good Utah Jazz team. we beat the Lakers. we beat Dallas. it's not like these were all unimpressive wins.

mrKnickShot wrote:Did Miami expose Lin a bit?

Miami wasn't the first team to trap Lin. they were only the first to really trap him successfully. during the peak of Linsanity, he was splitting traps ably and getting by taller defenders with creative finishes. maybe it's a little of column A and a little of column B. defenses have caught up with him a little and also the floor is no longer spaced the way it was before Melo came back.

mrKnickShot wrote:Why do we still run the same play that is getting trapped every time? That has nothing to do with Melo. Its the picker and the PG that get stuck here because of the trap. Why does the picker always go to the hoop instead of slide for a jumper which would make it easier to do when trapped? Why does Melo not set the pick sometimes? Do you think that is his call? MDA's offense is so free that everyone goes and does what they want?

i don't know. i guess when Melo was out, D'Antoni was calling all the right plays. but since Melo has returned D'Antoni is calling all the wrong plays.