Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If not Phil I would prefer a coach that knows how to play 10 guys. Someone like Ksrl, Hubie someone younger but of the same mold

Who?

Sloan is 70 years old. I don't see him as a NYC kind of guy. He is a hard ass. Can he bench Melo when he does not play defense?

Jax is like 67. He has the cred.

Does Dolan have a sister?

Bottom line is really, can Melo be coached by anyone to play team ball or play like Dirk.

If Melo be the Melo we thought we were paying for, then its all ok. Dirk is a ball stopper, but Dirk gets the job done.

When he does not, is he smiling?

Melo has played for 3 coaches in his career. He won big with Jimmy B, and won 50+ several times with Karl. His not winning with the third coach. Since you guys love to make everything black-n-white, Who do think is the problem? I'm going to go with coach number 3....

JCrusher wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If not Phil I would prefer a coach that knows how to play 10 guys. Someone like Ksrl, Hubie someone younger but of the same mold

Who?

Sloan is 70 years old. I don't see him as a NYC kind of guy. He is a hard ass. Can he bench Melo when he does not play defense?

Jax is like 67. He has the cred.

Does Dolan have a sister?

Bottom line is really, can Melo be coached by anyone to play team ball or play like Dirk.

If Melo be the Melo we thought we were paying for, then its all ok. Dirk is a ball stopper, but Dirk gets the job done.

When he does not, is he smiling?

George Karl hasn't exactly praised melo with his teamball or defense uptown lol

Phil ripped Kobe in a book or being a selfish SOB. So what, Melo was on winning teams with Karl in Denver....So dont tell me you cant win with Melo.

Nalod wrote:Im coming to the conclusion that MDA does not have to go.

He should leave.

There have been a few precious times in his 4 years whether by design or injury where you see it all come together. His body of work in PHX and at times here demonstrates it can be done.

In fact, NY loves this kind of play.

If there is a brand of "Knicks Basketball" its not the Ewing era of slow ball waiting for him to get into position, or smash mouth low score Riley ball. Knicks ball is the prime Red Holzman Era.

"Hit the open man!"

And if you did not play Defense, you got taken out.

Players who sacrificed their individual stats to accomplish. They are remembered not for the stats or all star games, but winning and doing it with style as a team!

The Suns were one of my favorite teams to watch and the open style of play reminded me of the Holzman era but with less defense. For a few years the Sunswere annual contenders. I'll take that over dysfunction any time. They moved the ball and Nash was a Maestro!

I think we were on the right track with Amare and role players but its clear Melo is not the type of player that can play within such a system.

The big picture was not about Gallo, or Felton as championship pieces, but the allocation of assets used in that trade to bring in the wrong type of player.

Donnie had a vision. Maybe it was not preMelo Drama but it was a work in progress and as we have seen big name players did shake loose. CP3, Deron and Dwight. Im not saying they become knicks or expound on the Amnesty benefits of exiling Chauns for Tyson.....but look at the team as currently constructed. Its laden with ill fitting talent. Amare-Melo-TC all great players. Together not so.

Does it remind us of perhaps who is really running things? A man who collects talent without thought of how it fits?

Isiah.

He constructed teams with so much wrong talent that HOF coachs like Wilkens and Larry Brown looked bad. Isiah himself a good coach looked bad. Dolan got brazen and the rumors were there that Isiah was in his ear urging him to do this.

Melo is a bad fit. A headache for all who coach him. Nice kid and I think he means well. He wanted the spot light and the money and who can blame him.

One of the greatest stories in a long time for NY was Linsanity. The team went on a run even with Amare. Amare can play with Nash, he can play with Lin. Melo comes back and "Murders Linsanity" (someone in the UK said this)!

As for MDA? Coach K's right hand olympic coach and the one he calls an offensive genius. Team plays good defense so we can't blame that effort. In my mind its not MDA that is the problem.

MDA has the wrong Management behind him and won't succeed until they are in concert with his efforts. He can take the Novaks, Shawn Williams, Landry, Mozz and win with them. He can't use the skill set of Melo and blend it in.

I think we have another fine coach who comes to realize what a joke Dolan is and like others was seduced by the big money and the lure of winning in NY! The one that can do that will be a wealthy legend.

The biggest Ego around is Phil Jax. If Dolan Hires him he better be prepared to get out of the way. I would think Phil Jax is smart enough and has enough juice to put it all up front in writing.

Can Phil be larger than all of them and put it together? I don't know. I don't pretend that MDA is the problem either and his simple removal is the key. Is the Isiah plant, "Coach Woodson" the answer? I don't know, but I do know that what I am seeing on the court right now is not fun to watch.

I am all for this coming together and perhaps in time it can even with MDA. Give him the juice to bench Melo.

If MDA can't get that kind of power then its clear, he should leave cuz it won't work with Melo being a ball dominant player.

excellent post nalod.... i agree, I don't think melo is a bad kid, just not the right type of player if you want a team with ball movement and a free flowing offense...

I also hate the fire dantoni threads.. the main culprit is dolan, always has been, always will be.

I am somewhat dissapointed in amare, but I know we can win with him in this system, we did so last year..

I think amare and lin can be fine together.... add in melo and that is the water in the gas tank..

I said this on realgm and people got all pissy.. why not move melo to a team like houston for kevin martin? heck i would even take back our own picks and Jordan hill...

this is not a game of "21".. get the best talent to fit what you want to do... I think mello was incorrectly assessed as a "superstar".. the guy is a good if not great scorer at times... other than that.. what does he do?

I really see this as another lost season.. no direction still..

Nalod wrote:The defense is not the problem. Last nite TC and JJ were not on the floor.

That game was not winnable. This was the throw away game. It happens.

Even at full strength the Spurs are tough at home.

IM not delusional to think last nite was a good sample.

Its the offense Im worried about.

Its easy to blame the coach and in the end he is accountable.

But while some of you will feel good to have him gone I don't think many are thinking thru it and what will a new coach change to improve it.

YOu can have a team with an AMare or a Melo and cover for them on defense. Can you have both?

Its the offense. What did Karl have that we don't? Bout 7 full seasons in hindsight. MDA before he came here avged 55 wins per year in PHX. Melo leaves Denver all of a sudden Karl is great again? MDA has had how many roster changes in 3.5 years?

Karl usually had pt guards, had the birdman playing defense, had NENE, had Iverson, Billups, Andre Miller, etc. He had some nice pieces and is a good coach. They had some continuous rosters in place.

Melo is not lighting it up like he did in his early 20's. We are not seeing Melo carrying the team as some all stars should IN STRETCHES! IM not saying he should carry is by himself but the type of player he is can carry you for a few games here and there. Isn't he suppose to be "MELO"? Isn' the suppose to be better than Glen Rice? Big Dogg Robinson? Bernard King?

Baron Davis is not hitting shots. Literally!

We all can see whats going on but the thought the coaches don't see it, not working to try to adjust, or simply ignorant is kind of naive.

Was Chaney-Wilkens-Brown-Herb-Isiah and MDA all inept? Really, 6 coaches in all?

For years we call for their heads, yell how "They Suck".

Year after year its the same crap bitching about the coach.

YEar after year. Wet, lather, rinse, repeat.

Every regime we get a new hope.

Take a step back. Its suppose to be "Different" this time?

"Grunwald Exec of the year"........all the hope. Sure we'll make the playoffs this year and maybe we'll put it together for a nice little run.

The Spurs have been contending for years. They "Only" have 4 championships. They are not going to win one this year but the team is fun to watch, plays hard, they are always developiong players and the fans are behind them. Not starphuching for an impatient owner who blows millions on miss matched pieces.

So go ahead, blame it on MDA as we have on the last 6 coaches in the last 10 years.

Im sure if MDA leaves/not resigned we'll have some new hope to carry us thru the offseason.

After all, theres got to be 6 more coaches we think can make this work.

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If not Phil I would prefer a coach that knows how to play 10 guys. Someone like Ksrl, Hubie someone younger but of the same mold

Who?

Sloan is 70 years old. I don't see him as a NYC kind of guy. He is a hard ass. Can he bench Melo when he does not play defense?

Jax is like 67. He has the cred.

Does Dolan have a sister?

Bottom line is really, can Melo be coached by anyone to play team ball or play like Dirk.

If Melo be the Melo we thought we were paying for, then its all ok. Dirk is a ball stopper, but Dirk gets the job done.

When he does not, is he smiling?

George Karl hasn't exactly praised melo with his teamball or defense uptown lol

Phil ripped Kobe in a book or being a selfish SOB. So what, Melo was on winning teams with Karl in Denver....So dont tell me you cant win with Melo.

sure, phil rips kobe.. after about 3 rings... pretty much another motivational thing for phil..

melo has won nothing to debunk what his detractors think about him.. I mean you guys think denver winning 50 games and getting smashed in the first round year after year is some success to hand your hat on...

Hahahahaha, "getting smashed in the first round". It's true, I think this guy has more 1st round exits than any other player in history of the NBA.

JCrusher wrote:

Uptown wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If not Phil I would prefer a coach that knows how to play 10 guys. Someone like Ksrl, Hubie someone younger but of the same mold

Who?

Sloan is 70 years old. I don't see him as a NYC kind of guy. He is a hard ass. Can he bench Melo when he does not play defense?

Jax is like 67. He has the cred.

Does Dolan have a sister?

Bottom line is really, can Melo be coached by anyone to play team ball or play like Dirk.

If Melo be the Melo we thought we were paying for, then its all ok. Dirk is a ball stopper, but Dirk gets the job done.

When he does not, is he smiling?

George Karl hasn't exactly praised melo with his teamball or defense uptown lol

Phil ripped Kobe in a book or being a selfish SOB. So what, Melo was on winning teams with Karl in Denver....So dont tell me you cant win with Melo.

i never said melo hasn't had success but im just stating a fact of what Karl said in plain english. Im sorry Uptown i cant lie. I mean obviously Melo si your favorite player which is cool but its ok to be critical of him sometimes doesn't mean you are being disloyal

I'm a Knick fan first, plain and simple. I stated what Phil Jackson said about Kobe and somehow they still won. Despite what Karl had/or had not said about Melo, it didn't prevent them from being far more successful than MDA has been.

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If not Phil I would prefer a coach that knows how to play 10 guys. Someone like Ksrl, Hubie someone younger but of the same mold

Who?

Sloan is 70 years old. I don't see him as a NYC kind of guy. He is a hard ass. Can he bench Melo when he does not play defense?

Jax is like 67. He has the cred.

Does Dolan have a sister?

Bottom line is really, can Melo be coached by anyone to play team ball or play like Dirk.

If Melo be the Melo we thought we were paying for, then its all ok. Dirk is a ball stopper, but Dirk gets the job done.

When he does not, is he smiling?

George Karl hasn't exactly praised melo with his teamball or defense uptown lol

Phil ripped Kobe in a book or being a selfish SOB. So what, Melo was on winning teams with Karl in Denver....So dont tell me you cant win with Melo.

sure, phil rips kobe.. after about 3 rings... pretty much another motivational thing for phil..

melo has won nothing to debunk what his detractors think about him.. I mean you guys think denver winning 50 games and getting smashed in the first round year after year is some success to hand your hat on...

Here we go with the black-n-white nonsense again. With the exception of 1 year, I believe, everytime the Nuggs lost in the first round, they were the higher seed and did not have homecourt advantage. They lost the Lakers and Spurs during their championship runs. Were the Nuggs really supposed to beat teams that were clarly better at the time without homecourt advantage?

Nalod wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If not Phil I would prefer a coach that knows how to play 10 guys. Someone like Ksrl, Hubie someone younger but of the same mold

Who?

Sloan is 70 years old. I don't see him as a NYC kind of guy. He is a hard ass. Can he bench Melo when he does not play defense?

Jax is like 67. He has the cred.

Does Dolan have a sister?

Bottom line is really, can Melo be coached by anyone to play team ball or play like Dirk.

If Melo be the Melo we thought we were paying for, then its all ok. Dirk is a ball stopper, but Dirk gets the job done.

When he does not, is he smiling?

George Karl hasn't exactly praised melo with his teamball or defense uptown lol

Phil ripped Kobe in a book or being a selfish SOB. So what, Melo was on winning teams with Karl in Denver....So dont tell me you cant win with Melo.

sure, phil rips kobe.. after about 3 rings... pretty much another motivational thing for phil..

melo has won nothing to debunk what his detractors think about him.. I mean you guys think denver winning 50 games and getting smashed in the first round year after year is some success to hand your hat on...

Here we go with the black-n-white nonsense again. With the exception of 1 year, I believe, everytime the Nuggs lost in the first round, they were the higher seed and did not have homecourt advantage. They lost the Lakers and Spurs during their championship runs. Were the Nuggs really supposed to beat teams that were clarly better at the time without homecourt advantage?

Higher seeds are suppose to win. Its about expectations. Maybe if they win, they go further. Oh, wait, they do!

Melo's win in 'Cuse was about a 18 year old who could have gone pro with Lebron.. Maybe he thought waiting a year he goes no. 1 the next. The run at 'Cuse was about winning a tournament, not quite a 4 year run with muiltiple final 4's and demonstrating leadership. He played one year, was clearly a talent and in NCAA you can make a year end run on talent alone.

Nobody disputes Melo's talents. Its how he put them to use.

Many of us did want this trade not because of talent, but because of the price we paid.

Melo is a multimillionaire and a huge sucess on the court and financially. He has been a star attraction.

He is not evil and quite likable.

He just does not play well with others and nobody has motivated him to do so.

Maybe he is still motivated for his star to shine by itself. Teams need great players to play off the ball. MDA tried to make him the point forward. Maybe they needed more time to figure it out.

Guns, do you really think he loses one game in MIlwaukee he gets fired? I can see it if he loses the lockerroom or is so done with the team he can't do it any longer and there is no point in continueing. What can Herb or Woodson do in a few weeks that can matter?

Melo plays more iso, has some nice 40 pt games and we all happy?

When I say higher seeds, I mean Denver 7 seed, Spurs 2 seed....