Uptown wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

eViL wrote:my biggest knock on MDA is how he keeps telling melo to take lots of bad shots and mess up our spacing.

He's not a coach you get to micromanage the action on the floor.

He's a free-flowing coach, everyone knew this. And what does the franchise do? Gives him one of the few star players in the league that requires micromanaging on the floor.

Every other guy on our roster can play MDA ball except for The One Guy.

But now it's D'Antoni's fault?

Come on.

Team wins when they play D'Antoni's style. This is a fact.

8-1 is 1/7th of the season, that's a significant chunk.

It makes no sense that they win 8 out of 9 games then go 2-4 or 2-5 or whatever they are now after Melo returns. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE COACH THAT CHANGED, BUT THE PLAYER HE IS BEING FORCED TO PLAY.

Let's get real.

Dude, how do you keep looking at different equations, yet you get the same answer? Its not black and white. These coaches are paid millions, think they are not looking at game film and studying Lin's tendencies? They are playing him differently. Not only that but these teams are different, Boston, Dallas a second time around around, miami, etc. That JJ, Walker and Lin lineup was not beating those teams.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Give me a f'ckn break, Uptown. Get off Melo's.

CrushAlot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

eViL wrote:my biggest knock on MDA is how he keeps telling melo to take lots of bad shots and mess up our spacing.

He's not a coach you get to micromanage the action on the floor.

He's a free-flowing coach, everyone knew this. And what does the franchise do? Gives him one of the few star players in the league that requires micromanaging on the floor.

Every other guy on our roster can play MDA ball except for The One Guy.

But now it's D'Antoni's fault?

Come on.

Team wins when they play D'Antoni's style. This is a fact.

8-1 is 1/7th of the season, that's a significant chunk.

It makes no sense that they win 8 out of 9 games then go 2-4 or 2-5 or whatever they are now after Melo returns. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE COACH THAT CHANGED, BUT THE PLAYER HE IS BEING FORCED TO PLAY.

Let's get real.

Dude, how do you keep looking at different equations, yet you get the same answer? Its not black and white. These coaches are paid millions, think they are not looking at game film and studying Lin's tendencies? They are playing him differently. Not only that but these teams are different, Boston, Dallas a second time around around, miami, etc. That JJ, Walker and Lin lineup was not beating those teams.

Here is the scariest part about that statement. The Knicks did not employ advance scouting for the first two years D'Antoni was here and he was being paid millions of dollars.

wait a minute. The coach hires advanced scouts? or the GM/organization does?

I didnt know coaches took their own salary and hired the scouts, cause that's what you are implying.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

eViL wrote:my biggest knock on MDA is how he keeps telling melo to take lots of bad shots and mess up our spacing.

He's not a coach you get to micromanage the action on the floor.

He's a free-flowing coach, everyone knew this. And what does the franchise do? Gives him one of the few star players in the league that requires micromanaging on the floor.

Every other guy on our roster can play MDA ball except for The One Guy.

But now it's D'Antoni's fault?

Come on.

Team wins when they play D'Antoni's style. This is a fact.

8-1 is 1/7th of the season, that's a significant chunk.

It makes no sense that they win 8 out of 9 games then go 2-4 or 2-5 or whatever they are now after Melo returns. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE COACH THAT CHANGED, BUT THE PLAYER HE IS BEING FORCED TO PLAY.

Let's get real.

Dude, how do you keep looking at different equations, yet you get the same answer? Its not black and white. These coaches are paid millions, think they are not looking at game film and studying Lin's tendencies? They are playing him differently. Not only that but these teams are different, Boston, Dallas a second time around around, miami, etc. That JJ, Walker and Lin lineup was not beating those teams.

Here is the scariest part about that statement. The Knicks did not employ advance scouting for the first two years D'Antoni was here and he was being paid millions of dollars.

wait a minute. The coach hires advanced scouts? or the GM/organization does?

I didnt know coaches took their own salary and hired the scouts, cause that's what you are implying.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

eViL wrote:my biggest knock on MDA is how he keeps telling melo to take lots of bad shots and mess up our spacing.

He's not a coach you get to micromanage the action on the floor.

He's a free-flowing coach, everyone knew this. And what does the franchise do? Gives him one of the few star players in the league that requires micromanaging on the floor.

Every other guy on our roster can play MDA ball except for The One Guy.

But now it's D'Antoni's fault?

Come on.

Team wins when they play D'Antoni's style. This is a fact.

8-1 is 1/7th of the season, that's a significant chunk.

It makes no sense that they win 8 out of 9 games then go 2-4 or 2-5 or whatever they are now after Melo returns. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE COACH THAT CHANGED, BUT THE PLAYER HE IS BEING FORCED TO PLAY.

Let's get real.

Dude, how do you keep looking at different equations, yet you get the same answer? Its not black and white. These coaches are paid millions, think they are not looking at game film and studying Lin's tendencies? They are playing him differently. Not only that but these teams are different, Boston, Dallas a second time around around, miami, etc. That JJ, Walker and Lin lineup was not beating those teams.

Here is the scariest part about that statement. The Knicks did not employ advance scouting for the first two years D'Antoni was here and he was being paid millions of dollars.

wait a minute. The coach hires advanced scouts? or the GM/organization does?

I didnt know coaches took their own salary and hired the scouts, cause that's what you are implying.

I know that coaches were calling out D'Antoni for not using scouts or not watching game tapes because he wouldn't be prepared for changes they made weeks prior to playing to the Knicks. I linked to the article at least ten times and Andrew finally posted an article saying that the Knicks had started scouting again and preparing packets for players about opposing players tendencies in the 10-11 season. If you are suggesting that the former gm of the Pacers didn't value scouting and adjusting to make a point I don't think you succeeded.

you implied that the coach didn't hire scouts. Is that what you are saying?

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

eViL wrote:my biggest knock on MDA is how he keeps telling melo to take lots of bad shots and mess up our spacing.

He's not a coach you get to micromanage the action on the floor.

He's a free-flowing coach, everyone knew this. And what does the franchise do? Gives him one of the few star players in the league that requires micromanaging on the floor.

Every other guy on our roster can play MDA ball except for The One Guy.

But now it's D'Antoni's fault?

Come on.

Team wins when they play D'Antoni's style. This is a fact.

8-1 is 1/7th of the season, that's a significant chunk.

It makes no sense that they win 8 out of 9 games then go 2-4 or 2-5 or whatever they are now after Melo returns. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE COACH THAT CHANGED, BUT THE PLAYER HE IS BEING FORCED TO PLAY.

Let's get real.

Dude, how do you keep looking at different equations, yet you get the same answer? Its not black and white. These coaches are paid millions, think they are not looking at game film and studying Lin's tendencies? They are playing him differently. Not only that but these teams are different, Boston, Dallas a second time around around, miami, etc. That JJ, Walker and Lin lineup was not beating those teams.

Here is the scariest part about that statement. The Knicks did not employ advance scouting for the first two years D'Antoni was here and he was being paid millions of dollars.

wait a minute. The coach hires advanced scouts? or the GM/organization does?

I didnt know coaches took their own salary and hired the scouts, cause that's what you are implying.

I know that coaches were calling out D'Antoni for not using scouts or not watching game tapes because he wouldn't be prepared for changes they made weeks prior to playing to the Knicks. I linked to the article at least ten times and Andrew finally posted an article saying that the Knicks had started scouting again and preparing packets for players about opposing players tendencies in the 10-11 season. If you are suggesting that the former gm of the Pacers didn't value scouting and adjusting to make a point I don't think you succeeded.

Don't get too carried away with all this scout crap. Teams use video much more. With so little time between games scouting can only do so much. What we need is for our players to just play better period. It's not really about what they're doing. It's what the Knicks aren't doing that is making the difference.

nixluva wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Give me a f'ckn break, Uptown. Get off Melo's.

There are a couple guys who see melo had like 6 pts and missed 10 wide open layups and yet he is great lol

The craziest is that they will invent a million reasons why it's all on MDA.

My whole thing is, it's not on Melo or MDA; it's that they can't work together so you have choose one.

I prefer MDA ball, that's no secret; this board was HYPED when Knicks were playing MDA ball and Lin was leading us to an 8-1 record.

It's amazing how obtuse MDA haterz can be after what we saw this team doing during Linsanity and then now after everyone came back and things don't look the same. MDA can't just not play Melo or the 11 guys deep. This is not an easy thing to do mid season. People think you just click a switch and it all just works.

There gonna have some struggles trying to get on the same page. Lin has only had 13 starts and only a few games with everyone back!!! That's a lot of change to absorb. Then we're trying to work in Davis, JR and even Jorts. This is not an easy thing to do. Teams aren't beating us as much as the Knicks are beating themselves. It's the Knicks that have to play better. We've stunk on offense all year except for Linsanity. During that stretch things looked the way they're supposed to.

Exactly, during that stretch the team looked like what we thought we would have when D'Antoni was hired.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

eViL wrote:my biggest knock on MDA is how he keeps telling melo to take lots of bad shots and mess up our spacing.

He's not a coach you get to micromanage the action on the floor.

He's a free-flowing coach, everyone knew this. And what does the franchise do? Gives him one of the few star players in the league that requires micromanaging on the floor.

Every other guy on our roster can play MDA ball except for The One Guy.

But now it's D'Antoni's fault?

Come on.

Team wins when they play D'Antoni's style. This is a fact.

8-1 is 1/7th of the season, that's a significant chunk.

It makes no sense that they win 8 out of 9 games then go 2-4 or 2-5 or whatever they are now after Melo returns. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE COACH THAT CHANGED, BUT THE PLAYER HE IS BEING FORCED TO PLAY.

Let's get real.

Dude, how do you keep looking at different equations, yet you get the same answer? Its not black and white. These coaches are paid millions, think they are not looking at game film and studying Lin's tendencies? They are playing him differently. Not only that but these teams are different, Boston, Dallas a second time around around, miami, etc. That JJ, Walker and Lin lineup was not beating those teams.

Here is the scariest part about that statement. The Knicks did not employ advance scouting for the first two years D'Antoni was here and he was being paid millions of dollars.

wait a minute. The coach hires advanced scouts? or the GM/organization does?

I didnt know coaches took their own salary and hired the scouts, cause that's what you are implying.

I know that coaches were calling out D'Antoni for not using scouts or not watching game tapes because he wouldn't be prepared for changes they made weeks prior to playing to the Knicks. I linked to the article at least ten times and Andrew finally posted an article saying that the Knicks had started scouting again and preparing packets for players about opposing players tendencies in the 10-11 season. If you are suggesting that the former gm of the Pacers didn't value scouting and adjusting to make a point I don't think you succeeded.

you implied that the coach didn't hire scouts. Is that what you are saying?

If you think that is what I implied then I misled you. He didn't use them according to his peers and you could infer from Andrew's infromation that the scouts began preparing packets for players of opposing players tendencies in his third year that that was when scouting became a part of game preperation for the Knicks during his tenure here.

sounds about right. That's the first year with Amare. Has nothing to do with the coach.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

eViL wrote:my biggest knock on MDA is how he keeps telling melo to take lots of bad shots and mess up our spacing.

He's not a coach you get to micromanage the action on the floor.

He's a free-flowing coach, everyone knew this. And what does the franchise do? Gives him one of the few star players in the league that requires micromanaging on the floor.

Every other guy on our roster can play MDA ball except for The One Guy.

But now it's D'Antoni's fault?

Come on.

Team wins when they play D'Antoni's style. This is a fact.

8-1 is 1/7th of the season, that's a significant chunk.

It makes no sense that they win 8 out of 9 games then go 2-4 or 2-5 or whatever they are now after Melo returns. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE COACH THAT CHANGED, BUT THE PLAYER HE IS BEING FORCED TO PLAY.

Let's get real.

Dude, how do you keep looking at different equations, yet you get the same answer? Its not black and white. These coaches are paid millions, think they are not looking at game film and studying Lin's tendencies? They are playing him differently. Not only that but these teams are different, Boston, Dallas a second time around around, miami, etc. That JJ, Walker and Lin lineup was not beating those teams.

Here is the scariest part about that statement. The Knicks did not employ advance scouting for the first two years D'Antoni was here and he was being paid millions of dollars.

wait a minute. The coach hires advanced scouts? or the GM/organization does?

I didnt know coaches took their own salary and hired the scouts, cause that's what you are implying.

I know that coaches were calling out D'Antoni for not using scouts or not watching game tapes because he wouldn't be prepared for changes they made weeks prior to playing to the Knicks. I linked to the article at least ten times and Andrew finally posted an article saying that the Knicks had started scouting again and preparing packets for players about opposing players tendencies in the 10-11 season. If you are suggesting that the former gm of the Pacers didn't value scouting and adjusting to make a point I don't think you succeeded.

you implied that the coach didn't hire scouts. Is that what you are saying?

MDA is not a very well prepared coach..

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:You should have a conversation with the coaches who were ridiculing him for not making adjustments to changes they made weeks before playing his team.

Crush, since you are so well versed in what coaches should be doing and what they are saying, please do tell me what teams and how many teams used advanced scouting. And how many scouts? All teams? Playoff teams? 1 scout? many scout?

Is this a Dolan decision? Donnie walsh? Coach decision?

Please inform me, because if you can't all of your assumptions are for ****.