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Nalod
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2/22/2012  8:00 AM

My take is there is no big drama between the coach and the players.

If the public relations department (the ministry of propoganda) was trying to spin it to help Melo and his image and MDA was being cast in bad light how could you not blame the guy for not playing ball. Thats of course if you have an complete hard on to replace the guy with a mystical figure not yet known.

MDA has had the carpet yanked year after year and with little roster stability at all and we never hear a complaint. Fans get anxious and call for his head. This guy sees all the crap in the front office and knows all about the Isiah years. He has seen all the crap Walsh had to deal with, the Isiah influence with Dolan, and who knows what MSG management is capable of.

To me the team was having huge problems with the one key component MDA requires and thats a PG.

When we finally get a miracle of sorts with Lin no body is hailing Kenny Atkinson for the job he did, or the scouts, or the coach, but (if its true) we get a report Melo was the one? Hours of tape, conditioning and evaluation and MSG puts out something like that?

If they did, I think thats a load of crap and all MDA did was say "he don't remember". Pretty tame.

Basically Dolan usually buys propaganda loyalty when he grants you an extension. MDA don't have that.

I don't know too many coaches with the reputation as being an offensive genius available and has never lost his team except when it was full of Larry hughes and Marbury.

Im under the impression if MDA can't weave Melo into this then perhaps its the players and not the coach.

I want this to work. I think the players want it to work. Keep changing is fun and exciting but starphuching ticket sales schemes don't last.

Of course, maybe the coach don't want to extend and he is done here?

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2/22/2012  8:36 AM
martin wrote:i love the fact that MDA is being called a drama queen or whatever.... and yet he is the one that is not quoted or not the one who at all brought this topic up. not once.

Notice at all that there is no direct quote?

Here's the scenario: MDA was asked and all he said was that he didn't remember.

You guys actually fell for this ****? mrKicksShot, you seem so confident that MDA is at fault here, and yet none of it is true. MDA same guy who put his foot down for JJ.

+1...that is worse then a berman article

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2/22/2012  9:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2012  9:03 AM
Can't stand Michael Kay. He doesn't know Sh!t about the NBA. I wish he would just stick to his cheesy Yankee analysis. the other day, he was criticizing Lin's game and ranting about his missed free throws. talk about reaching.

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holfresh wrote:This is all so crazy now..We finally get the pieces and looking forward to some practice time during the all star break where players could sort out their roles and here comes the drama courtesy of the NY media...Micheal Kay loves this type of shet too...MDA must know he is done..If that's the case, let's not create drama here with this team...We are close..If changes have to be made to slow the drama, let's make them..

Michael Kay lives for this garbage

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2/22/2012  10:08 AM
Michael Kay should stick to what he knows about: Baseball.
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2/22/2012  10:13 AM
Moonangie wrote:Michael Kay should stick to what he knows about: Baseball.

I was listening to them quite a bit and could not believe the crap they say. Not a lot of substance but a lot of HS crap.

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2/22/2012  10:14 AM

Sometimes these guys just take a view to rile up the listener and make the show a bit more interesting.

If everyone agreed on things, there would be no topic.

Plus, anger sells!

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2/22/2012  10:28 AM
Moonangie wrote:Michael Kay should stick to what he knows about: Baseball.

does michael kay even know baseball? i have to watch yankee games on mute because of him.

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2/22/2012  1:28 PM
We still haven't learned that to win a title you have to do things as a team and as an organization, not as a bunch of individuals who need to get blamed or credited for stuff. None of us know what happened but who cares. Let's say Melo did ask the coach to play Lin. What does that mean? The front office signed him. Melo vouched for him. D'Antoni played him when he didn't have to. Everyone made a good decision here. Why are we looking for a bad guy.

I still don't get this whole scenario. The guy was undrafted, cut by 3 teams, passed over by 17 teams once waived. And the coach that is finally playing him and getting the most out of his game is being attacked because he hesitated for a few weeks? Lunacy

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2/22/2012  1:29 PM
Bippity10 wrote:We still haven't learned that to win a title you have to do things as a team and as an organization, not as a bunch of individuals who need to get blamed or credited for stuff. None of us know what happened but who cares. Let's say Melo did ask the coach to play Lin. What does that mean? The front office signed him. Melo vouched for him. D'Antoni played him when he didn't have to. Everyone made a good decision here. Why are we looking for a bad guy.

I still don't get this whole scenario. The guy was undrafted, cut by 3 teams, passed over by 17 teams once waived. And the coach that is finally playing him and getting the most out of his game is being attacked because he hesitated for a few weeks? Lunacy

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2/22/2012  2:05 PM
eViL wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:We still haven't learned that to win a title you have to do things as a team and as an organization, not as a bunch of individuals who need to get blamed or credited for stuff. None of us know what happened but who cares. Let's say Melo did ask the coach to play Lin. What does that mean? The front office signed him. Melo vouched for him. D'Antoni played him when he didn't have to. Everyone made a good decision here. Why are we looking for a bad guy.

I still don't get this whole scenario. The guy was undrafted, cut by 3 teams, passed over by 17 teams once waived. And the coach that is finally playing him and getting the most out of his game is being attacked because he hesitated for a few weeks? Lunacy

+1

lol. well put.

my sentiments exactly eVil. Good post Bip.

I mentioned it the other day, but this is the problem with NY fans. we are always looking to proclaim someone a hero or a villain instead of letting things play out. it's stupidity really.

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2/22/2012  2:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2012  2:10 PM
Bippity10 wrote:We still haven't learned that to win a title you have to do things as a team and as an organization, not as a bunch of individuals who need to get blamed or credited for stuff. None of us know what happened but who cares. Let's say Melo did ask the coach to play Lin. What does that mean? The front office signed him. Melo vouched for him. D'Antoni played him when he didn't have to. Everyone made a good decision here. Why are we looking for a bad guy.

I still don't get this whole scenario. The guy was undrafted, cut by 3 teams, passed over by 17 teams once waived. And the coach that is finally playing him and getting the most out of his game is being attacked because he hesitated for a few weeks? Lunacy

MDA actually WANTED Lin in the 1st place. Glen didn't have to pick Lin up. He could've looked for any number of other PG's and maybe more experienced guys. MDA liked the kid and as soon as he was available Glen jumped on him. The problem was Lin didn't have a camp and the schedule made it almost impossible for Lin to catch up.

My contention is that at least MDA didn't bury the kid and not even give him a chance! He actually did send him down to get some reps and Lin admitted that tho he didn't initially like it, that D League stint helped him tremendously. When Lin came back he had all kinds of confidence and a better understanding of the system. To Lin's credit he didn't pout and give up like Darko did.

Lin was with the D League team for a few days and 2 games. People don't realize that he actually got a little mini camp experience and it helped. If you look at the schedule there were almost no practice days and the coaches knew this. We know MDA is a slow guy to change, but he did eventually make the move and we're all happy that Lin is starting for the team. Mike was slow with Shawne too but once he got in there he was ready and he took off.

One other thing is Props to Dolan for the Erie Bayhawks cuz finally we have a minor league team that runs the same system we do and can be a farm system for this team.

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2/22/2012  2:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2012  2:32 PM
Well put Bip..The media is reading this all wrong ..They think fans want the drama that owned the Isiah years..Fans want a team that wins..I don't care who did what..I care about how the Knicks gel going into the playoffs..Talk radio is gossip radio..I heard Berman on Sunday night talk radio trying to stir the pot and I won't post it here..Let them talk about how this team can come together..No one is biting on this nonsense..It doesnt matter how Lin got here the Knicks are better for it..I watch the games and I don't need talking heads to tell me how to interpret the outcome..Go Knicks!!!!!
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2/22/2012  2:33 PM
The Melo hate that the media are trying to stir up is sickening- and I'm not even a Melo fan. Melo wanted to come here, he worked hard in the off season, he tried to play through multiple injuries and all he gets is hate hate hate- he hasn't even been allowed a single practice with Lin, and nearly every paper has declared he can't play with him. Yes he he's played poorly this season, but who on our roster (besides Tyson) hasn't?

The worse thing is that they've clearly gotten inside his head- he'll be doubting himself every game now, knowing he'll be damned regardless of what he does. I don't even get what he's done that is so wrong- he played a bit selfishly back in that disasterous patch, but that's because the whole team were playing awful and couldn't make a shot.

I really don't get why players want to come to New York- the media likes to say we're the greatest fans in the world, but I don't really see it- players seem to get rewarded for coming to new york with initial butt-kissing for a season, followed by constant hate the rest of their time here, then once they're long gone we go back to admiring them again (See Ewing and Allan Houston).

Give the guy a break, crappy journalists.

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2/22/2012  4:37 PM
holfresh wrote:Well put Bip..The media is reading this all wrong ..They think fans want the drama that owned the Isiah years..Fans want a team that wins..I don't care who did what..I care about how the Knicks gel going into the playoffs..Talk radio is gossip radio..I heard Berman on Sunday night talk radio trying to stir the pot and I won't post it here..Let them talk about how this team can come together..No one is biting on this nonsense..It doesnt matter how Lin got here the Knicks are better for it..I watch the games and I don't need talking heads to tell me how to interpret the outcome..Go Knicks!!!!!

Word.

I'm sick and tired of all that stuff. I just want to see a team together for a few months before we gut it again. See how they gel. Root like hell. Enjoy the ride. When the dust clears if we aren't good enough then we do as all good organizations do. We don't point fingers. We don't blame. We all sit down together, work together to find the "tweaks and changes" that will get us in position the following year. I don't care who's idea it was too draft Shumpert, or who wanted Lin to play or who's boy D'Antoni is. We are all part of the same team so who cares.

And yes I did say "we" and I will continue to use "we" until they begin to lose again.

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2/22/2012  4:41 PM
smackeddog wrote:The Melo hate that the media are trying to stir up is sickening- and I'm not even a Melo fan. Melo wanted to come here, he worked hard in the off season, he tried to play through multiple injuries and all he gets is hate hate hate- he hasn't even been allowed a single practice with Lin, and nearly every paper has declared he can't play with him. Yes he he's played poorly this season, but who on our roster (besides Tyson) hasn't?

The worse thing is that they've clearly gotten inside his head- he'll be doubting himself every game now, knowing he'll be damned regardless of what he does. I don't even get what he's done that is so wrong- he played a bit selfishly back in that disasterous patch, but that's because the whole team were playing awful and couldn't make a shot.

I really don't get why players want to come to New York- the media likes to say we're the greatest fans in the world, but I don't really see it- players seem to get rewarded for coming to new york with initial butt-kissing for a season, followed by constant hate the rest of their time here, then once they're long gone we go back to admiring them again (See Ewing and Allan Houston).

Give the guy a break, crappy journalists.

Yea, I felt Melo passed up a few shots in that last game that he would normally take. I felt that Lin was not closed to as aggressive as he normally is. I think it's all media driven.

Melo may not be able to mesh with Lin. Melo and Amare may be a bad pairing. Adding Smith may be a wrong choice but.......First of all, let it play out before we make that final determination. And B, nobody has done anything wrong. If Mello doesn't fit the offense it's not because he isn't trying. He demanded to come here and has done nothing wrong while he hsa been here. Not sure why so many are going after the guy.

Personally I feel that the media and fan response is one of the main reasons why this team has not won a title in 40 years. GM's and coaches make decisions based on the media response and how it will affect their jobs. If you ask me

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2/22/2012  4:47 PM
Bippity10 wrote:We still haven't learned that to win a title you have to do things as a team and as an organization, not as a bunch of individuals who need to get blamed or credited for stuff. None of us know what happened but who cares. Let's say Melo did ask the coach to play Lin. What does that mean? The front office signed him. Melo vouched for him. D'Antoni played him when he didn't have to. Everyone made a good decision here. Why are we looking for a bad guy.

I still don't get this whole scenario. The guy was undrafted, cut by 3 teams, passed over by 17 teams once waived. And the coach that is finally playing him and getting the most out of his game is being attacked because he hesitated for a few weeks? Lunacy

Exactly! thank you.
Why is it so hard to just appreciate a good thing when it happens? When something good happens, it only detracts from the situation when everybody & their mother tries to take credit for it. Fact is, Melo didn't take credit, D'Antoni didn't take credit, and even Lin doesn't take credit for the linsanity. The selflessness is actually a good thing people. If the reporters want to stir things up for a story, let them, I'm just gonna enjoy this run and ignore the BS.

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2/22/2012  7:22 PM
nixluva wrote:
MDA actually WANTED Lin in the 1st place. Glen didn't have to pick Lin up. He could've looked for any number of other PG's and maybe more experienced guys. MDA liked the kid and as soon as he was available Glen jumped on him. The problem was Lin didn't have a camp and the schedule made it almost impossible for Lin to catch up.

How do you know all this? Who told you? Is this an opinion or fact?

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2/23/2012  2:22 AM
Bippity10 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Well put Bip..The media is reading this all wrong ..They think fans want the drama that owned the Isiah years..Fans want a team that wins..I don't care who did what..I care about how the Knicks gel going into the playoffs..Talk radio is gossip radio..I heard Berman on Sunday night talk radio trying to stir the pot and I won't post it here..Let them talk about how this team can come together..No one is biting on this nonsense..It doesnt matter how Lin got here the Knicks are better for it..I watch the games and I don't need talking heads to tell me how to interpret the outcome..Go Knicks!!!!!

Word.

I'm sick and tired of all that stuff. I just want to see a team together for a few months before we gut it again. See how they gel. Root like hell. Enjoy the ride. When the dust clears if we aren't good enough then we do as all good organizations do. We don't point fingers. We don't blame. We all sit down together, work together to find the "tweaks and changes" that will get us in position the following year. I don't care who's idea it was too draft Shumpert, or who wanted Lin to play or who's boy D'Antoni is. We are all part of the same team so who cares.

And yes I did say "we" and I will continue to use "we" until they begin to lose again.

+10000000

Could not agree more!! People seem to care more about being right about their stance (ala Partisan Politics) then the damn team. AND WINS!! This goes for the prom Coach/anti coach people, the pro Melo/anit Melo people etc ... Everyone is guilty.

If you win here, you are loved (don't care who you are or if you smell bad). If you lose, (eventually) you gotta go and don't care why. This goes for the Coach, the Players or the GM (would be nice if we could ship out the owner as well if they don't produce). Even if your are dealt a crappy hand - that's life. Luck plays a big part.

People forget too how much Yankee fans hated George Steinbrener through the 80's and early 90's. Terrible trades, horrible signings, the Howie Spira/Winfield mess etc ... He was more hated than Dolan during those years - yes! he was! But eventually the sh1t actually hit the fan correctly, Mariano came out of nowhere, they actually did not trade their homegrowns and things fell into place and Voila! Everyone loved the owner.

Fans want wins - true fans. Thats all they care about. Everyone was calling for Coughlins job. If he loses to the Jets, he was probably gone. Now, he is our hero and we all love him. And trust me, nobody had bigger excuses than coughlin with all the Giant injuries. He won, we love him now - who cares!

And yes. Who the **** cares who's idea was what, who wanted to draft who and who was pro or against a trade. We want wins. Playoff wins. JVG took an over achieving team to the NBA finals - and lost! but we loved him for it. I will LOVE MDA if he wins for us just the same. No blind love or man-crush here without W's.

Just Win!!

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2/23/2012  2:48 AM
martin wrote:i love the fact that MDA is being called a drama queen or whatever.... and yet he is the one that is not quoted or not the one who at all brought this topic up. not once.

Notice at all that there is no direct quote?

Here's the scenario: MDA was asked and all he said was that he didn't remember.

You guys actually fell for this ****? mrKicksShot, you seem so confident that MDA is at fault here, and yet none of it is true. MDA same guy who put his foot down for JJ.

Maybe I am wrong for thinking he did anything wrong here. Maybe its too much talk radio. Don't know. I just thought that he could have said nothing and/or been more diplomatic. I just felt that it came across a bit cheezy and cheap. Unbecoming.

Maybe I was wrong. I am just a hardcore fan who wants to see the garden get its spark back. Maybe I just hate all this BS about who gets credit for this and that. Who wanted what trade and who didnt etc ...

It's all BS. I can't understand why its not about the knicks winning and so much about the coach and the credits/discredits. I really don't care who coaches this team. Just find me one who will win some playoff games. Hopefully its MDA, this year and with the playoff wins, I will probably even be able to stomach the "MDA gets the credit for all this because he is a genius!" threads. He can have all the credit he wants or that people on this board want bestowed on him. Don't care - will probably love him too at that point.

Just can't love him yet or Extend him blindly.

I work at a big tech giant. I have never seen someone promoted to Director because it was not their fault since they were given weak resources and kept doing reorgs because it was not working.

You gotta succeed with the hand you are dealt (eventually/at some point) to get paid/extended/promoted or someone else gets a turn. You can only hope to be lucky enough to be dealt the right hand during your tenure.

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2/23/2012  9:59 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:I work at a big tech giant. I have never seen someone promoted to Director because it was not their fault since they were given weak resources and kept doing reorgs because it was not working.

You gotta succeed with the hand you are dealt (eventually/at some point) to get paid/extended/promoted or someone else gets a turn. You can only hope to be lucky enough to be dealt the right hand during your tenure.

Here's the thing: your analogy doesn't work. MDA isn't being promoted. And you can't succeed in the NBA with weak resources, and it also wasn't MDA who was doing the reorgs.

I think most are suggesting to extend MDA because he is a good fit for what and who is on the team today and going forward, and also because of what is not out there in terms of replacements.

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