misterearl wrote:SFX: crickets

Really?

With everything Tyson Chandler has brought in leadership, defensive INTENSITY, rugged/ unselfish play in the tradition of Charles Oakley and the fact he plays despite pain - the best you can do is whine about his tech's as "Part of the Problem"?

GTFOHWTB

You are kidding right???

AnubisADL wrote:Knicks are playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end dude to Tyson Chandler.

He is part of the problem. We dont need him to be a offensive juggernaut but a hook shot or some semblance of a post game would help out alot. He wouldnt clog up the paint and his man wouldnt constantly cheat off of him.

This is why Marc Gasol is superior to Tyson. He is a well rounded center who can defend, rebound, shoot, AND post.

MSG3 wrote:
Tyson has argualy been our most important player. HOWEVER, I do agree that he needs to tone it down a little bit with the fouls and the T's. Just like Lin has to stop turning it over so much.

I don't have a problem with someone pointing this out. It's absolutely correct that when Tyson is in foul trouble we play a lot worse. He has to get it under control for the benefit of the team.

I have a problem with your criticizing Lin for "turning it over so much." When Melo is double teamed, its not hard for him to pass the ball to an open player. But Lin is being guarded by whoever is the best defensive guy on the team. Then opponents are also packing the lane, to try to make the Knicks beat them from the outside. Plus, at every game, the opponent is coming up with a new defense plan to somehow limit Lin's effectiveness. Every night he has to make new adjustments. Finally, his team mates are not accustomed to his passes, and either they are not ready for some of his passes, or they leave the area when he expects them to stay put.

To suggest that it is good advice that Lin lessens the number of turnovers, is destructive advice imo. In order to do his job properly Lin needs to take chances by getting into the lane where the chances of turnovers are higher. He also has to continue making passes to team mates who don't necessary expect his passes. The worst thing he could do is to stay out of the lane and stop throwing difficult passes, so that he can cut down on turnovers. Lin has to continue to take chances. Look at what has happened during the time when his turnovers were higher than average. The team has been winning. Will his turnovers go down as he gets to know his team mates better? Absolutely. Is it worthwhile that he stop taking chances on risky passes so he can cut down on his turnovers? I think that is bad advice. To increase the number of assists he gets, he has to make more passes, even if it increases the likelihood that he will have higher than average point guard turn overs.

MSG3 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Look we know melo and amare are suspect defenders which is why they gave up billups.
But tyson is our defensive anchor...notice when he went to the bench in foul trouble in our last two losses we struggled big time. problem I have with him is that his fouls are ridiculous..and the techs are adding up..this is a big problem..we have loss all of our games when he's in foul trouble early...nobody is making a big deal about it's.but his impact is a huge loss.besides that's him not link are our best pnr duo..

Tyson has argualy been our most important player. HOWEVER, I do agree that he needs to tone it down a little bit with the fouls and the T's. Just like Lin has to stop turning it over so much.

I don't have a problem with someone pointing this out. It's absolutely correct that when Tyson is in foul trouble we play a lot worse. He has to get it under control for the benefit of the team.

I woudn't, however, classify Tyson as "part of the problem". Our problem, as it seemingly has been for a season and a half now, is getting everyone to gel offensively.

I'm glad someone is looking at the big picture, he has been huge for this team..but every time he gets in foul trouble, he hurts the team..He is the man in the middle, the sides and the front..

we were up 13-3, by the time he came back in the game, the score was even or the lead was one, he picks up another quick foul, and were down 9 at the half..

I'm loving TYSON all day, but he's been foul prone this season and pretty much his whole career..don't kid youself..

Remember how bad ALLAN HOUSTON was when it came to defense, but with so many defensive players around him, we still was a top notch defensive unit..We don't have that many defensive guys on this team in the starting unit...5 more techs he gets suspended a game..every game matters down the stretch more this year then any. our schedule is anyhting but a cake walk over the next 2 months.

nyshakespeare wrote:You can knock a lot of players on the team for their play,
but Tyson should be the last one on that list.

Teams with less talent are always going to be more physical,
get in your head & try to throw you off of your game. This
is a good learning experience for the playoffs.

It is a learning experience, but we honestly have to admit that the refs are TERRIBLE this season, blatantly "managing" games with their no-calls and wtf calls. Tyson should chill, but he is getting treated like a $2 whore by the officials.

loweyecue wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

nyshakespeare wrote:You can knock a lot of players on the team for their play,
but Tyson should be the last one on that list.

Teams with less talent are always going to be more physical,
get in your head & try to throw you off of your game. This
is a good learning experience for the playoffs.

It is a learning experience, but we honestly have to admit that the refs are TERRIBLE this season, blatantly "managing" games with their no-calls and wtf calls. Tyson should chill, but he is getting treated like a $2 whore by the officials.

Yup. TC makes us infinitely better, anyone who thinks he is a part of the problem has lost it. But he des need to stop respondin g to bad calls and non calls from the refs. It doesn't help him to do that. He is a smart player he will work it out.

There's a difference from being the problem and being part of the problem, and thats where I'm going with this..PPL like to over look things when the positives are so glaring, and the negatives are minor, LIN's TO's and TYSONS fouls will come back to huant us, if this is not checked at the door..

I'll give lin a little rope, cause he's young and is learning on the job...but tysons over the back fouls and techs are becoming an issue..I looked at the games he was in foul trouble..we lost most of them if not all, the techs coming when were battling back from a duoble digit deficit( kills momentum)..you dont think thats a concern..

Ten Problems MUCH Bigger Than Tyson Chandler

10. Baron Davis's hideous kicks (ie a healthy back up point guard who can play four games in six nights)

9. Shump's knees, that have not been right since opening day

8. 78 year old Mike Bibby.

7. Keeping JR Smith focused on team basketball and finding him a new barber

6. Jared Jeffries layup technique

5. Rebounding. On both ends.

4. Having a general manager without "interim" in his title

3. What to do with Toney Douglas. Sit him and kill his confidence. Or play him and watch in agony?

2. Jeremy Lin being worn down by the collective media to the point all the fun is drained out of Linsanity

1. The ghost of Amar'e Stoudemire's microfracture surgery

misterearl wrote:knicks1248 -

Ten Problems MUCH Bigger Than Tyson Chandler

10. Baron Davis's hideous kicks (ie a healthy back up point guard who can play four games in six nights)

9. Shump's knees, that have not been right since opening day

8. 78 year old Mike Bibby.

7. Keeping JR Smith focused on team basketball and finding him a new barber

6. Jared Jeffries layup technique

5. Rebounding. On both ends.

4. Having a general manager with "interim" in his title

3. What to do with Toney Douglas

2. Jeremy Lin being worn down by the collective media to the point all the fun is drained out of Linsanity

1. The ghost of Amar'e Stoudemire's microfracture surgery

Yeah your right..but i never said TYSON is the problem, and I never said TYSON fouls was a major problem, i said it's part of the problem and we have loss game becuase of it..

Bibby is a non factor

shrumps knees maybe sore, but he's still all defensive team in my book.

amare keeps on saying he's feeling better then he has in a long time..go figure, it sure doesn't look like it

as long as the GM's name is not IT,he's destine to get that title remove

TD is done, he'll probably get one more shot

Lins smart and young, with so many options on the offensive end, getting burned out isn't reaaly a factor like duhon..

misterearl wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Yeah your right..but i never said TYSON is the problem, and I never said TYSON fouls was a major problem, i said it's part of the problem and we have loss game becuase of it..

Tyson Chandler is part of the solution, not part of the problem.

knicks1248 wrote:Bibby is a non factor

Then he gotta go.

knicks1248 wrote:shrumps knees maybe sore, but he's still all defensive team in my book.

Iman cannot play defense on bad wheels. It's NOT Shrump, it's Shump. Where you get the "r" from?

knicks1248 wrote:amare keeps on saying he's feeling better then he has in a long time..go figure, it sure doesn't look like it

Amar'e will never admit to hurting on the outside or inside. Too much pride and he feels too responsible to live up to his role as a team leader. He faces a crossroads.

knicks1248 wrote:as long as the GM's name is not IT,he's destine to get that title remove

I'll believe it when the ink is on the contract. Dolan is eyeing Uncle Phil.

knicks1248 wrote:TD is done, he'll probably get one more shot

I understand Atlanta is nice this time of year

knicks1248 wrote:Lins smart and young, with so many options on the offensive end, getting burned out isn't really a factor like duhon..

Did you say Duhon? When did Chris Duhon ever need to deal with the media requests, advertising offers, fan pandemonium, media hype/ scrutiny and international attention that Lin faces?

misterearl

im starting to think your disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing..