crzymdups wrote:amar'e has to go. he's a shell of an nba player. the team is so much better with Tyson/Jeffries on the floor it's not even funny. Ship amar'e.

Jeffries was -22 tonight - thats not gonna do it.

AnubisADL wrote:

rp wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:The team has potential.

The funny thing is the odd man out on this team isn't Amare or Melo. It's Chandler.

The Knicks with the current personnel aren't a D'Antoni team. This team needs set half court offense like Boston and Chicago. The problem then becomes Chandler's complete lack of an offensive game outside of 5 feet from the rim with no post game too go along with it. Chandler in the middle is almost forcing us to be a jump shooting team when we should be able to pound the ball inside with Amare and Melo.

That's an interesting take. But don't agree every single personnel is not his type of team. I don't recall the coach having any jump shooting center in Phoenix but interesting angle.

Net's interior is soft as pudding. I watched them get destroyed last night by Milwaukee.

Knicks dont ever throw the ball into the post. It's like we live and die by jumpers. Lebron worked on post moves over the summer for a reason.

We dont even punish teams down low.

everytime we throw the ball in the post, it's usually melo, and thats when the one on one starts..This is not a post up offense, and we get to the line 3rd in the league

mrKnickShot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

rp wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:The team has potential.

The funny thing is the odd man out on this team isn't Amare or Melo. It's Chandler.

The Knicks with the current personnel aren't a D'Antoni team. This team needs set half court offense like Boston and Chicago. The problem then becomes Chandler's complete lack of an offensive game outside of 5 feet from the rim with no post game too go along with it. Chandler in the middle is almost forcing us to be a jump shooting team when we should be able to pound the ball inside with Amare and Melo.

That's an interesting take. But don't agree every single personnel is not his type of team. I don't recall the coach having any jump shooting center in Phoenix but interesting angle.

Net's interior is soft as pudding. I watched them get destroyed last night by Milwaukee.

Knicks dont ever throw the ball into the post. It's like we live and die by jumpers. Lebron worked on post moves over the summer for a reason.

We dont even punish teams down low.

everytime we throw the ball in the post, it's usually melo, and thats when the one on one starts..This is not a post up offense, and we get to the line 3rd in the league

what team ever one a title without a post presence/player?

The Mavs just won with basically a jump shooting 7'er. There's no sense in trying to figure out a way to disqualify the Knicks offense based on some notion you can't win that way. Really even the Heat also in the finals aren't a post up team!!! COME ON MAN!!!

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

rp wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:The team has potential.

The funny thing is the odd man out on this team isn't Amare or Melo. It's Chandler.

The Knicks with the current personnel aren't a D'Antoni team. This team needs set half court offense like Boston and Chicago. The problem then becomes Chandler's complete lack of an offensive game outside of 5 feet from the rim with no post game too go along with it. Chandler in the middle is almost forcing us to be a jump shooting team when we should be able to pound the ball inside with Amare and Melo.

That's an interesting take. But don't agree every single personnel is not his type of team. I don't recall the coach having any jump shooting center in Phoenix but interesting angle.

Net's interior is soft as pudding. I watched them get destroyed last night by Milwaukee.

Knicks dont ever throw the ball into the post. It's like we live and die by jumpers. Lebron worked on post moves over the summer for a reason.

We dont even punish teams down low.

everytime we throw the ball in the post, it's usually melo, and thats when the one on one starts..This is not a post up offense, and we get to the line 3rd in the league

what team ever one a title without a post presence/player?

The Mavs just won with basically a jump shooting 7'er. There's no sense in trying to figure out a way to disqualify the Knicks offense based on some notion you can't win that way. Really even the Heat also in the finals aren't a post up team!!! COME ON MAN!!!

Oh please Nix! you are better than that.

Dirk has an excellent post game and so does Lebron (watch the Heat this season!)

I did not say "post up team" I said "post presence/player"

Man! Dirk? Really? GREAT POST PLAYER! COME ON MAN!!

The traditional Post presence type is more like DH or Ewing. Dirk is more of a mid-post guy rather than low post cuz he has range and quickness. Melo probably posts his man about the same amount of time if not more. Regardless it's not really necessary as the Heat got to the finals without a serious post presence. Of course the benefits of a low post player is being closer to the basket and hopefully being able to draw in defenders from your perimeter scorers. Great low post players are rare and usually not available. DH is just such a guy. What you hope for is a post man that is also a great passer. Duncan, Gasol or Dirk types.

It's really about forcing the defense to breakdown by giving help and then taking advantage of that. It's really that simple. Doesn't really matter if you do it with a pure post player or with a high post player like KG or STAT. You need to create space, mismatches and defensive breakdowns. MDA's offense is designed to do that with a PG and it's been very efficient.

This team has multiple players that cause the defense to have to give help at different spots on the floor. Low post as well as high post. It would be great if we had a big that could camp in the paint and finish around the basket but despite not having that kind of player MDA has been able to fashion a highly efficient offense anyway. As i've pointed out many times it's been for many years the best in the league, minus a post player. They didn't lose in the playoffs cuz of a lack of low post scoring, but rather a lack of D up the middle of the floor.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

rp wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:The team has potential.

The funny thing is the odd man out on this team isn't Amare or Melo. It's Chandler.

The Knicks with the current personnel aren't a D'Antoni team. This team needs set half court offense like Boston and Chicago. The problem then becomes Chandler's complete lack of an offensive game outside of 5 feet from the rim with no post game too go along with it. Chandler in the middle is almost forcing us to be a jump shooting team when we should be able to pound the ball inside with Amare and Melo.

That's an interesting take. But don't agree every single personnel is not his type of team. I don't recall the coach having any jump shooting center in Phoenix but interesting angle.

Net's interior is soft as pudding. I watched them get destroyed last night by Milwaukee.

Knicks dont ever throw the ball into the post. It's like we live and die by jumpers. Lebron worked on post moves over the summer for a reason.

We dont even punish teams down low.

everytime we throw the ball in the post, it's usually melo, and thats when the one on one starts..This is not a post up offense, and we get to the line 3rd in the league

what team ever one a title without a post presence/player?

The Mavs just won with basically a jump shooting 7'er. There's no sense in trying to figure out a way to disqualify the Knicks offense based on some notion you can't win that way. Really even the Heat also in the finals aren't a post up team!!! COME ON MAN!!!

Oh please Nix! you are better than that.

Dirk has an excellent post game and so does Lebron (watch the Heat this season!)

I did not say "post up team" I said "post presence/player"

Man! Dirk? Really? GREAT POST PLAYER! COME ON MAN!!

The traditional Post presence type is more like DH or Ewing. Dirk is more of a mid-post guy rather than low post cuz he has range and quickness. Melo probably posts his man about the same amount of time if not more. Regardless it's not really necessary as the Heat got to the finals without a serious post presence. Of course the benefits of a low post player is being closer to the basket and hopefully being able to draw in defenders from your perimeter scorers. Great low post players are rare and usually not available. DH is just such a guy. What you hope for is a post man that is also a great passer. Duncan, Gasol or Dirk types.

It's really about forcing the defense to breakdown by giving help and then taking advantage of that. It's really that simple. Doesn't really matter if you do it with a pure post player or with a high post player like KG or STAT. You need to create space, mismatches and defensive breakdowns. MDA's offense is designed to do that with a PG and it's been very efficient.

This team has multiple players that cause the defense to have to give help at different spots on the floor. Low post as well as high post. It would be great if we had a big that could camp in the paint and finish around the basket but despite not having that kind of player MDA has been able to fashion a highly efficient offense anyway. As i've pointed out many times it's been for many years the best in the league, minus a post player. They didn't lose in the playoffs cuz of a lack of low post scoring, but rather a lack of D up the middle of the floor.

Melo is not that great a post player - please don't compare him to Dirk - and his post game does not fit into this offense which is anti ISO and needs constant movement. Stat currently has ZERO post game and his main weapon is his 15-20 foot J (which has been inconsistent at best this year) A strong post game, High or Low is needed as another option in an offense when smart defense take away other/primary options such as PnR.

Lebron went back and added a VERY strong post game and "I believe" will push the Heat over the edge to win it all.

Dirks post game commanded double and triple teams at times which created easy looks on the perimeter. A HIGH POST GAME / LOW POST GAME - whatever works - but they work!

Again, show me a team that won it all without a very strong post presence/player?

Duncan, Shaq/Kobe, Jordan, Pierce/Garnett (Garnett no longer is strong enough in the post and is now primarily a jump shooter - which I am sure a contributor to the Celtics retreat), Hakeem, Kareem/Worthy, Rasheed ...

You need a post presence in the Post Season since it turns into more of a half-court-grind to push teams over the edge.

nixluva wrote:I know the make up of NBA Championship teams. I've been an NBA/ABA fan for a long time. I just don't agree that it's a must that you have to have a specific type of offensive player to win a title. Yes most great teams have great bigs but it's also true those teams were great at just about everything else too. Usually Title teams are balanced and deep.

If this team gets it's chemistry right and continues to defend they can compete for a title.

I hope you're right. But as you said "Title teams are balanced" - balance means having multiple ways to score and a low post / high post game is needed (I think) to win it all. It does not have to be a Big. It can be a guard, a forward or a center. It's just an aspect that is part of every championship team for a reason. I hope MDA and his "SYSTEM" prove me otherwise and if it does, it will be ground-breaking.