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JLin is the best point guard in the league. There I said it.
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GustavBahler
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2/19/2012  5:35 PM
loweyecue wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:As far as the stats go, you have to factor in the minutes Lin has played this season as a starter. He's averaging 38. That's a lot to say the least. I understand the rationale for this, we're shorthanded, and Davis should help in that department. When Duhon was starter he was leading the league in minutes (or damned close) and near the top in assists, so his minutes inflated his stats.

No, I'm not comparing the two as far as skill set, just a reminder that when his minutes go down I doubt that he is going to be putting up amazing numbers like this, especially with Melo coming back and more offense recently added to the mix in Smith. I still expect some good numbers assist wise.

You may wanna moniter is minutes for sure, but the way he's playing, you'll be hard press to sit him..
You'll be hard press to sit any player playing at this level and winning..

You do if you don't want to ride him until the wheels come off. That's what happened to Duhon. As I said, I understand the rationale for playing him so much but its a condensed season and we want him relatively fresh for the playoffs. Hopefully Davis will help in that department soon enough and a healthy BD (or close to it) is nothing to sneeze at.

I was hoping to see him today. Maybe against NJ which is the weaker opponenet he can get some burn.

Me too, that would be the way to go.

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2/19/2012  5:35 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:As far as the stats go, you have to factor in the minutes Lin has played this season as a starter. He's averaging 38. That's a lot to say the least. I understand the rationale for this, we're shorthanded, and Davis should help in that department. When Duhon was starter he was leading the league in minutes (or damned close) and near the top in assists, so his minutes inflated his stats.

No, I'm not comparing the two as far as skill set, just a reminder that when his minutes go down I doubt that he is going to be putting up amazing numbers like this, especially with Melo coming back and more offense recently added to the mix in Smith. I still expect some good numbers assist wise.

You may wanna moniter is minutes for sure, but the way he's playing, you'll be hard press to sit him..
You'll be hard press to sit any player playing at this level and winning..

would you tell Jordan to play 30 minutes? No.

You play a guy as much as he can handle. That's a basic rule.

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2/19/2012  5:38 PM
He may not be the best but he is a legitimately great player.
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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2/19/2012  5:38 PM
this guy is way off but you know what's crazy? the fact that people can legitimately say that jeremy lin is a very good player and arguably a top10 PG in the nba. 2 weeks can change a franchis FOREVER.
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2/19/2012  5:40 PM
Lin is ONE of the best PG's in the league IMO. You really do have to put his performances in perspective. This kid has carried the team when they had no one else and now even with guys coming back he's still performing at a similarly high level. Basically Lin is the second coming of Nash. He's really almost that good. He's still got a lot to learn but given his limited experience he's been Phenomenal. Entire teams are trying to stop Lin and they can't!!! Lin has been playing in the upper echelon of NBA PG's.
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2/19/2012  5:42 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:As far as the stats go, you have to factor in the minutes Lin has played this season as a starter. He's averaging 38. That's a lot to say the least. I understand the rationale for this, we're shorthanded, and Davis should help in that department. When Duhon was starter he was leading the league in minutes (or damned close) and near the top in assists, so his minutes inflated his stats.

No, I'm not comparing the two as far as skill set, just a reminder that when his minutes go down I doubt that he is going to be putting up amazing numbers like this, especially with Melo coming back and more offense recently added to the mix in Smith. I still expect some good numbers assist wise.

You may wanna moniter is minutes for sure, but the way he's playing, you'll be hard press to sit him..
You'll be hard press to sit any player playing at this level and winning..

would you tell Jordan to play 30 minutes? No.

You play a guy as much as he can handle. That's a basic rule.

Tell that to Duhon. We want the kid to have something left in the tank for the playoffs. He's also dealing with all this pressure that even Jordan didn't have to deal with when he entered the league.

Its taxing and if Lin has to play 38 minutes a game with all the talent on this squad now we have problems.

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2/19/2012  5:44 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:As far as the stats go, you have to factor in the minutes Lin has played this season as a starter. He's averaging 38. That's a lot to say the least. I understand the rationale for this, we're shorthanded, and Davis should help in that department. When Duhon was starter he was leading the league in minutes (or damned close) and near the top in assists, so his minutes inflated his stats.

No, I'm not comparing the two as far as skill set, just a reminder that when his minutes go down I doubt that he is going to be putting up amazing numbers like this, especially with Melo coming back and more offense recently added to the mix in Smith. I still expect some good numbers assist wise.

You may wanna moniter is minutes for sure, but the way he's playing, you'll be hard press to sit him..
You'll be hard press to sit any player playing at this level and winning..

would you tell Jordan to play 30 minutes? No.

You play a guy as much as he can handle. That's a basic rule.

Tell that to Duhon. We want the kid to have something left in the tank for the playoffs. He's also dealing with all this pressure that even Jordan didn't have to deal with when he entered the league.

Its taxing and if Lin has to play 38 minutes a game with all the talent on this squad now we have problems.

Duhon??

Who is Duhon?? Why is he in the same sentence as Lin? That's like saying something about Brad Lohaus and comparing him to Lebron James. It's an insult to mention Duhon and Lin in the same sentence.

Lin is a superstar point guard. His next contract will be for 6 and 120$m

Carmelo Anthony is ANTI-BASKETBALL
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2/19/2012  5:45 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:As far as the stats go, you have to factor in the minutes Lin has played this season as a starter. He's averaging 38. That's a lot to say the least. I understand the rationale for this, we're shorthanded, and Davis should help in that department. When Duhon was starter he was leading the league in minutes (or damned close) and near the top in assists, so his minutes inflated his stats.

No, I'm not comparing the two as far as skill set, just a reminder that when his minutes go down I doubt that he is going to be putting up amazing numbers like this, especially with Melo coming back and more offense recently added to the mix in Smith. I still expect some good numbers assist wise.

You may wanna moniter is minutes for sure, but the way he's playing, you'll be hard press to sit him..
You'll be hard press to sit any player playing at this level and winning..

would you tell Jordan to play 30 minutes? No.

You play a guy as much as he can handle. That's a basic rule.

Tell that to Duhon. We want the kid to have something left in the tank for the playoffs. He's also dealing with all this pressure that even Jordan didn't have to deal with when he entered the league.

Its taxing and if Lin has to play 38 minutes a game with all the talent on this squad now we have problems.

Help is coming. We don't have to worry about Lin playing too many minutes after 9 games!!! This is just being overstated right now. Baron is getting closer and should be able to help cut down Lin's minutes the rest of the way.

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2/19/2012  5:45 PM
Lin is top 5 for sure. It is hard to completely judge him at this point. He is playing too many minutes so his TO's are a bit higher than they would be normally and his defense has fallen off but he does pick it up late in games. I think if he can back down to 35 minutes a game when Baron is back we'll see him start to finish better and play defense like he was last week and back.

He has a shot, that is for sure. Ok, I'm saying he is top 3 right now. I'll say Paul and Rose are ahead of him but he, or should I say we, can beat those teams and perhaps that is really the most important thing.

Oh, and now with JR and soon Melo, watch for 15 assist nights to be common place along with a few 20's.

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2/19/2012  5:48 PM
GustavBahler wrote:As far as the stats go, you have to factor in the minutes Lin has played this season as a starter. He's averaging 38. That's a lot to say the least. I understand the rationale for this, we're shorthanded, and Davis should help in that department. When Duhon was starter he was leading the league in minutes (or damned close) and near the top in assists, so his minutes inflated his stats.

No, I'm not comparing the two as far as skill set, just a reminder that when his minutes go down I doubt that he is going to be putting up amazing numbers like this, especially with Melo coming back and more offense recently added to the mix in Smith. I still expect some good numbers assist wise.

Goes both ways. He is prone to exhaustion, turning the ball over more, for his shot to go, etc from playing more minutes. IT's not as LINear as you think.

Baron needs to start playing.

And I hope NJ doesn't play dirty, so far things have been relatively good.

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2/19/2012  5:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2012  6:03 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:As far as the stats go, you have to factor in the minutes Lin has played this season as a starter. He's averaging 38. That's a lot to say the least. I understand the rationale for this, we're shorthanded, and Davis should help in that department. When Duhon was starter he was leading the league in minutes (or damned close) and near the top in assists, so his minutes inflated his stats.

No, I'm not comparing the two as far as skill set, just a reminder that when his minutes go down I doubt that he is going to be putting up amazing numbers like this, especially with Melo coming back and more offense recently added to the mix in Smith. I still expect some good numbers assist wise.

You may wanna moniter is minutes for sure, but the way he's playing, you'll be hard press to sit him..
You'll be hard press to sit any player playing at this level and winning..

would you tell Jordan to play 30 minutes? No.

You play a guy as much as he can handle. That's a basic rule.

Tell that to Duhon. We want the kid to have something left in the tank for the playoffs. He's also dealing with all this pressure that even Jordan didn't have to deal with when he entered the league.

Its taxing and if Lin has to play 38 minutes a game with all the talent on this squad now we have problems.

Duhon??

Who is Duhon?? Why is he in the same sentence as Lin? That's like saying something about Brad Lohaus and comparing him to Lebron James. It's an insult to mention Duhon and Lin in the same sentence.

Lin is a superstar point guard. His next contract will be for 6 and 120$m

I wish you would read what I've written more carefully. First thing I said was that I'm not comparing their skill set. I'm talking about keeping Lin physically healthy and relatively fresh for the playoffs.

And You just did this after comparing him to Jordan. Jordan was their main threat on offense. Lin doesn't need to be, we have much more offense on this squad on tap with Melo, Smith, and Davis to run the point which is by no means a bad thing. Look what he did last season.

I don't know how many times I can say it was the right decision to play Lin as many minutes as he has He shouldn't have to play this many minutes with these guys coming back or joining the rotation now for the Knicks to be in the hunt.

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2/19/2012  5:56 PM
Top 5 PG.

Dudes act like Lin is playing with a D League team. Some forget this guy is feeding Amare and Chandler.

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GustavBahler
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2/19/2012  5:56 PM
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:As far as the stats go, you have to factor in the minutes Lin has played this season as a starter. He's averaging 38. That's a lot to say the least. I understand the rationale for this, we're shorthanded, and Davis should help in that department. When Duhon was starter he was leading the league in minutes (or damned close) and near the top in assists, so his minutes inflated his stats.

No, I'm not comparing the two as far as skill set, just a reminder that when his minutes go down I doubt that he is going to be putting up amazing numbers like this, especially with Melo coming back and more offense recently added to the mix in Smith. I still expect some good numbers assist wise.

You may wanna moniter is minutes for sure, but the way he's playing, you'll be hard press to sit him..
You'll be hard press to sit any player playing at this level and winning..

would you tell Jordan to play 30 minutes? No.

You play a guy as much as he can handle. That's a basic rule.

Tell that to Duhon. We want the kid to have something left in the tank for the playoffs. He's also dealing with all this pressure that even Jordan didn't have to deal with when he entered the league.

Its taxing and if Lin has to play 38 minutes a game with all the talent on this squad now we have problems.

Help is coming. We don't have to worry about Lin playing too many minutes after 9 games!!! This is just being overstated right now. Baron is getting closer and should be able to help cut down Lin's minutes the rest of the way.

My main point was about the minutes inflating the stats, I didn't express concern on the level you imply because I also said that Davis was coming. My other post was in response to marbury saying that it was ok to play him like this for the rest of the season, or seemed to imply it. You can ask him.

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2/19/2012  5:56 PM
Just look at how Lin has played while helping his team win. He's got a lot to learn and should get better. He's got almost no experience.

STATS MIN FG% REB AST BLK STL PF PTS
This Game 46 .550 4 14 1 5 0 28
Previous 10 Games 34.6 .493 3.6 7.8 0.1 1.7 2.0 22.1
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2/19/2012  5:58 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:As far as the stats go, you have to factor in the minutes Lin has played this season as a starter. He's averaging 38. That's a lot to say the least. I understand the rationale for this, we're shorthanded, and Davis should help in that department. When Duhon was starter he was leading the league in minutes (or damned close) and near the top in assists, so his minutes inflated his stats.

No, I'm not comparing the two as far as skill set, just a reminder that when his minutes go down I doubt that he is going to be putting up amazing numbers like this, especially with Melo coming back and more offense recently added to the mix in Smith. I still expect some good numbers assist wise.

Goes both ways. He is prone to exhaustion, turning the ball over more, for his shot to go, etc from playing more minutes. IT's not as LINear as you think.

Baron needs to start playing.

And I hope NJ doesn't play dirty, so far things have been relatively good.

Lol@ Linear another good one. I agree it also increases the negatives.

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2/19/2012  6:00 PM
Honestly Lin has been playing great scoring at least 20 points in 7 of 9 games I think is very hard to do in the NBA unless your one of better players in the NBA and I would have to put him there right now. He can score when he wants. He get in the lane "LIKE" Rose, Westbrook. He has shown he has a nice little jumper. I see improvement in his 3 point shooting. He has been making big plays. I think he is a very good player and will only get better. I think after another season he will truly be considered in the top 5 when it's all said and done. Bottom line is Jeremy Lin can play. He can score.
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2/19/2012  6:03 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Top 5 PG.

Dudes act like Lin is playing with a D League team. Some forget this guy is feeding Amare and Chandler.


Chandler - yeah. Amare has played like trash this year.
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2/19/2012  6:03 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Top 5 PG.

Dudes act like Lin is playing with a D League team. Some forget this guy is feeding Amare and Chandler.

CP# is feeding Griffin and Jordan
Westbrook Feeds Durant
Deron feeds Lopez and he looks ordinary
What's your point?

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2/19/2012  6:13 PM
lin was playing without melo and amare for the most part. amare has been pretty inept. Tyson chandler is a defensive player.
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2/19/2012  6:14 PM
loweyecue wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Top 5 PG.

Dudes act like Lin is playing with a D League team. Some forget this guy is feeding Amare and Chandler.

CP# is feeding Griffin and Jordan
Westbrook Feeds Durant
Deron feeds Lopez and he looks ordinary
What's your point?


Yeah, what IS your point? A player has to be the only decent player on the team to be a top 5 Point guard?
AND he WAS playing with a bunch of D-Leaguers plus Chandler. Do you recall that the this team's two max players were out
for most of this run? Amare still looks out, and Melo still is.

I think its early yet to be saying he's top 5, but your rationale is just silly.

JLin is the best point guard in the league. There I said it.

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