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Bonn1997
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2/18/2012  2:02 PM
gunsnewing wrote:that is true u can see Lin has better chemistry with Tyson than Amare because he knows tysons tendencies

People are blaming Lin for waiving off Amare but Tyson has been a better pick and roll player this year than Amare has.
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2/18/2012  2:16 PM
If Blake Griffin was a rookie last year,
then Lin is one this year.
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2/18/2012  2:17 PM
rp wrote:
misterearl wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Is he still a rookie?

With a total of only 46 NBA games played, and 7 starts, the answer is an absolute, positive yes.

Funny people forget that :)

How can he take most of the credit for the wins, but excuse he's 9 TO's (8 in the first half) that resulted in 12 pts for N O..We lost the game in the 1st half..

People also forget, his TO's is was what kept his ass on the bench..MDA, not having any option, let him play thru it..but in all honesty he would normally get pulled from a game in a heart beat if he committed 6 TO's in the 1st qtr.

His 2 glaring weaknesses is ball security and passing in mid air arnd 2 defenders, these are not force by the opponent..

6.5 TO'per games guys,thats the most by a player in the history of the sport..

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2/18/2012  2:23 PM
nyshakespeare wrote:If Blake Griffin was a rookie last year,
then Lin is one this year.

But last year was the first time Blake had played a minute of NBA action. Lin played 29 games before. Was Lin not a rookie when he was playing last year? This is his second rookie season?
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2/18/2012  2:24 PM
nyshakespeare wrote:If Blake Griffin was a rookie last year,
then Lin is one this year.

Blake and Lin have completely different circumstances. 1 didn't play a game in his first year after being drafted and the other did.

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2/18/2012  2:25 PM
martin wrote:
nyshakespeare wrote:If Blake Griffin was a rookie last year,
then Lin is one this year.

Blake and Lin have completely different circumstances. 1 didn't play a game in his first year after being drafted and the other did.


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2/18/2012  2:30 PM
nyshakespeare wrote:If Blake Griffin was a rookie last year,
then Lin is one this year.

Hard to play with a broken kneecap.

Jeremy Lin was in NBA practices for a year. He got NBA training for a year.

From the reports he improved his strength and other issues over the summer in preparation for his 2nd year. He isnt a rookie.

I expect mistakes but the guy has some bad habits.

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2/18/2012  2:56 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
rp wrote:
misterearl wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Is he still a rookie?

With a total of only 46 NBA games played, and 7 starts, the answer is an absolute, positive yes.

Funny people forget that :)


I was asking out of curiosity if he was officially considered a rookie, not whether in Earl's opinion he is a rookie. I was wondering both about what awards he'd be eligible for and about how the league defined rookie but I couldn't find the information. I'm not disputing that he's young and has the potential to learn and grow.

Ahhh gotcha, my bad. But in going to where you are going, in general people tend to forget how much time lin has in the NBA threating him like he was a vet.

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2/18/2012  3:00 PM
The point I was poorly trying to make before is that I don't consider anyone to be a
rookie in their second year in the league. No matter what the circumstances, fact is
that you get knowledge just by being with the team. Being able to watch first hand
every day what you can get away with as far as officiating goes & other thing that
you wouldn't have access to as an average Joe.

I hate John Wall, but I think he should've been the 2011 ROY.

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2/18/2012  3:04 PM
nyshakespeare wrote:The point I was poorly trying to make before is that I don't consider anyone to be a
rookie in their second year in the league. No matter what the circumstances, fact is
that you get knowledge just by being with the team. Being able to watch first hand
every day what you can get away with as far as officiating goes & other thing that
you wouldn't have access to as an average Joe.

I hate John Wall, but I think he should've been the 2011 ROY.

I don't think you can't compare live action to practice? Agree?

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2/18/2012  3:12 PM
rp wrote:
nyshakespeare wrote:The point I was poorly trying to make before is that I don't consider anyone to be a
rookie in their second year in the league. No matter what the circumstances, fact is
that you get knowledge just by being with the team. Being able to watch first hand
every day what you can get away with as far as officiating goes & other thing that
you wouldn't have access to as an average Joe.

I hate John Wall, but I think he should've been the 2011 ROY.

I don't think you can't compare live action to practice? Agree?

Agree, but in my mind nothing will change the fact that BG was not a rookie last year.

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2/18/2012  3:43 PM
Apparently Spike Lee will have a Jeremy Lin tribute on Sunday. I'm not sure if that means he put together a video that will be shown.
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2/18/2012  4:52 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:that is true u can see Lin has better chemistry with Tyson than Amare because he knows tysons tendencies

People are blaming Lin for waiving off Amare but Tyson has been a better pick and roll player this year than Amare has.

His play elevating Jeffries' game is another example of that.

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2/18/2012  5:17 PM
rvwink wrote:I don't quite understand all of the complaints about the numbers of Lin turnovers. When Lin drives, and he gets to the basket, either he shoots a high percentage himself, or a team mate usually gets a high percentage shot. Plus if his pass turns out to be inaccurate, one must take into account that his relationship with his team mates is so knew, that they still need to learn each others tendencies.

The more he drives, the more positive benefits flow in terms of the "team" scores and at the same time the greater the risk of turnovers. When you compare his stats with other elite point guards, the fact that his turnovers are higher than theirs, is not necessarily terrible imo. If he is driving to the basket much more frequently than they are, there are going to be times when the ball is knocked out of his hands.

Lin is shooting .491 currently so if you count an extra 3 turnovers for the ball being knocked out of his hand against his shooting percentage, its still not terrible. Then count an extra 3 turnovers because he doesn't know his team mates well enough. There should be improvement in this stat over time, just because they will both will learn what to expect. If someone doesn't think this is an accurate premise, I would love to hear why?

NO scored 28 point off Knicks turnovers...We lost by 4...
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2/18/2012  5:22 PM
holfresh wrote:
rvwink wrote:I don't quite understand all of the complaints about the numbers of Lin turnovers. When Lin drives, and he gets to the basket, either he shoots a high percentage himself, or a team mate usually gets a high percentage shot. Plus if his pass turns out to be inaccurate, one must take into account that his relationship with his team mates is so knew, that they still need to learn each others tendencies.

The more he drives, the more positive benefits flow in terms of the "team" scores and at the same time the greater the risk of turnovers. When you compare his stats with other elite point guards, the fact that his turnovers are higher than theirs, is not necessarily terrible imo. If he is driving to the basket much more frequently than they are, there are going to be times when the ball is knocked out of his hands.

Lin is shooting .491 currently so if you count an extra 3 turnovers for the ball being knocked out of his hand against his shooting percentage, its still not terrible. Then count an extra 3 turnovers because he doesn't know his team mates well enough. There should be improvement in this stat over time, just because they will both will learn what to expect. If someone doesn't think this is an accurate premise, I would love to hear why?

NO scored 28 point off Knicks turnovers...We lost by 4...

You dont like Lin?
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JCrusher wrote:
holfresh wrote:
rvwink wrote:I don't quite understand all of the complaints about the numbers of Lin turnovers. When Lin drives, and he gets to the basket, either he shoots a high percentage himself, or a team mate usually gets a high percentage shot. Plus if his pass turns out to be inaccurate, one must take into account that his relationship with his team mates is so knew, that they still need to learn each others tendencies.

The more he drives, the more positive benefits flow in terms of the "team" scores and at the same time the greater the risk of turnovers. When you compare his stats with other elite point guards, the fact that his turnovers are higher than theirs, is not necessarily terrible imo. If he is driving to the basket much more frequently than they are, there are going to be times when the ball is knocked out of his hands.

Lin is shooting .491 currently so if you count an extra 3 turnovers for the ball being knocked out of his hand against his shooting percentage, its still not terrible. Then count an extra 3 turnovers because he doesn't know his team mates well enough. There should be improvement in this stat over time, just because they will both will learn what to expect. If someone doesn't think this is an accurate premise, I would love to hear why?

NO scored 28 point off Knicks turnovers...We lost by 4...

You dont like Lin?

Sure I do, but I'm not blind...
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2/18/2012  5:31 PM
JCrusher wrote:
holfresh wrote:
rvwink wrote:I don't quite understand all of the complaints about the numbers of Lin turnovers. When Lin drives, and he gets to the basket, either he shoots a high percentage himself, or a team mate usually gets a high percentage shot. Plus if his pass turns out to be inaccurate, one must take into account that his relationship with his team mates is so knew, that they still need to learn each others tendencies.

The more he drives, the more positive benefits flow in terms of the "team" scores and at the same time the greater the risk of turnovers. When you compare his stats with other elite point guards, the fact that his turnovers are higher than theirs, is not necessarily terrible imo. If he is driving to the basket much more frequently than they are, there are going to be times when the ball is knocked out of his hands.

Lin is shooting .491 currently so if you count an extra 3 turnovers for the ball being knocked out of his hand against his shooting percentage, its still not terrible. Then count an extra 3 turnovers because he doesn't know his team mates well enough. There should be improvement in this stat over time, just because they will both will learn what to expect. If someone doesn't think this is an accurate premise, I would love to hear why?

NO scored 28 point off Knicks turnovers...We lost by 4...

You dont like Lin?

Your comments don't seem to address the actual content of people's responses.
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Bonn1997 wrote:
JCrusher wrote:
holfresh wrote:
rvwink wrote:I don't quite understand all of the complaints about the numbers of Lin turnovers. When Lin drives, and he gets to the basket, either he shoots a high percentage himself, or a team mate usually gets a high percentage shot. Plus if his pass turns out to be inaccurate, one must take into account that his relationship with his team mates is so knew, that they still need to learn each others tendencies.

The more he drives, the more positive benefits flow in terms of the "team" scores and at the same time the greater the risk of turnovers. When you compare his stats with other elite point guards, the fact that his turnovers are higher than theirs, is not necessarily terrible imo. If he is driving to the basket much more frequently than they are, there are going to be times when the ball is knocked out of his hands.

Lin is shooting .491 currently so if you count an extra 3 turnovers for the ball being knocked out of his hand against his shooting percentage, its still not terrible. Then count an extra 3 turnovers because he doesn't know his team mates well enough. There should be improvement in this stat over time, just because they will both will learn what to expect. If someone doesn't think this is an accurate premise, I would love to hear why?

NO scored 28 point off Knicks turnovers...We lost by 4...

You dont like Lin?

Your comments don't seem to address the actual content of people's responses.
Amare did a good job last night bu i felt he he could have done better
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2/18/2012  5:39 PM
Lets see how this 22 year old responds to his first set back. That's how you find out what you have in a player.

PS Lin's BAD game was still strong and had it's good moments. Like when Kobe has a bad game it's usually a 20+ scoring game with bad shooting percentage and turnovers. That's what Lin's game last night felt like. I think he's for real.
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2/18/2012  5:44 PM
That's the problem ....He is the PG...he has to get others involved and ride guys like Amare...Lin is for real...he has to cut down the TO but more importantly, he has to pass the ball in the 4th qt...
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