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MaTT4281
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2/14/2012  1:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2012  1:13 PM
Of course they're flawed or unproven. Complete players with strong resumes don't wind up on the waiver.

It's about finding value and pieces that can mesh together. Novak is not on the floor for his defense. He's on the floor for the spacing he creates, which this team sorely needed. The Lin/Chandler pick and roll is a thing of beauty, especially with Novak out on the perimeter keeping the defense honest.

Guys were pumped for the Chandler trade, but as an overall offseason, this may have been one of the least flashy/most productive years we've seen in some time, despite the lock out craze.

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2/14/2012  1:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2012  1:28 PM
AnubisADL wrote:The guys we have are flawed players or unproven.

Steve Novak is a defensive liability. His stroke is smooth but he does little else.

The Knicks are ultra thin so we play guys that wouldn't sniff the floor on a contender.

Did someone steal your cookies from you when you were a child? Can you not see the positive when it is right in your face?

Novak has been rebounding, but you probably couldn't see that as you were complaining at the time.

His defense has also improved, he is still a liability, but I choose him over Walker.

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2/14/2012  1:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2012  1:32 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:Novak has been rebounding, but you probably couldn't see that as you were complaining at the time.

His defense has also improved, he is still a liability, but I choose him over Walker.

+1

Novak does a great job of boxing out. He knows what he has to do to get consistent minutes
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2/14/2012  1:36 PM
SMH.

Steve Novak can always produce for a few games here and there that is why he is STILL in the NBA. The problem is he isn't consistent. So relying on a proven inconsistent player with major defensive flaws who has been in the league for 5 years is silly.

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2/14/2012  2:30 PM
AnubisADL wrote:SMH.

Steve Novak can always produce for a few games here and there that is why he is STILL in the NBA. The problem is he isn't consistent. So relying on a proven inconsistent player with major defensive flaws who has been in the league for 5 years is silly.

it's good that the Knicks are only relying on him for spot minutes.

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2/14/2012  2:48 PM
AnubisADL wrote:SMH.

Steve Novak can always produce for a few games here and there that is why he is STILL in the NBA. The problem is he isn't consistent. So relying on a proven inconsistent player with major defensive flaws who has been in the league for 5 years is silly.

what would be silly would be to rely on you to make a well thought out post.

novak is playing 15-20mpg for us and that's only when he's going well. as far as im concerned in d'antoni's 8man rotation he can give melo's backup minutes to either novak or walker, whoever is playing better lately. right now it's novak and hopefully it stays that way.

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2/14/2012  3:12 PM
It's a great story. However, sometimes you just get lucky. This was a case of dumb luck. No one knew what this kid was. Glen signed Mike Bibby for whatever reason and virtually left the Knicks bare at point guard. It's amazing that the horrific job that was down in the front office actually saved the season and maybe the franchise and fan base. Think about?! The Knicks were so pathetic, so embarassing that they were about to lose on their home floor to the Nets. The coach was going to be fired. Fans were literally about to turn their back on this team and Mike looked down the bench and said what the hell! Bibby stinks, Douglas stinks, Iman isn't a point guard let's see what the kid can do.

But, life comes down to moments like this. A Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Tiki Barber, Victor Cruz and now a Jeremy Lin. All it takes is a little luck and the right opportunity.
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2/14/2012  3:31 PM
Definitely got some good luck with Lin, but to be fair, we also had some bad luck this season to put us in that position. Many people said Douglas couldn't run this offense, but who expected him to completely fall off the face of the earth the way he has? Both of our rookies, after showing promise, have gone down with injuries. And of course, Melo's been plagued by them as well.

I won't blame the front office. Sacrificing Billups for Tyson was the right long-term move, and with the recent turn of events between Lin and Chauncey, the right short-term move too. PGs are easier to find than C's, and we got lucky enough to find a gem in the scrap pile.

Growing pains aside, I'm excited about this team. Extend Glen!
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2/14/2012  3:59 PM
People were very critical of Glen not giving MDA what he needs, but he has been trying to strike a good balance with adding Novak and Lin. Glen originally did the Tyson deal which was for the good of the team no matter who was coaching, but he also has kept in mind what MDA needs to succeed. I think he tried to do the best to balance those needs and took a chance that didn't work with TD and Baron.

The good thing is that the idea of adding a PG that actually had skills that had the possibility of working in MDA's system wasn't just luck that was a wise decision that worked out. If they had just grabbed any young PG and he worked out that would be luck, but MDA actually felt Lin had the raw skills to be successful in this system. Yes there were no guarantees but the premise was sound. They made the right choice and it paid off. Most of Glen's decisions have paid off even if the risky TD move failed. IMO if you keep making the best moves you can more of them are bound to be good and succeed. From the draft to the trade, to the signings I think more have worked out than failed.
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2/14/2012  4:14 PM
Its a numbers game. The guy has the skill set for the system and we worked him out and liked him.

So we were prepared to be "lucky"!

This is why you scout and take chances.
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2/14/2012  4:27 PM
MS wrote:It's a great story. However, sometimes you just get lucky. This was a case of dumb luck. No one knew what this kid was. Glen signed Mike Bibby for whatever reason and virtually left the Knicks bare at point guard. It's amazing that the horrific job that was down in the front office actually saved the season and maybe the franchise and fan base. Think about?! The Knicks were so pathetic, so embarassing that they were about to lose on their home floor to the Nets. The coach was going to be fired. Fans were literally about to turn their back on this team and Mike looked down the bench and said what the hell! Bibby stinks, Douglas stinks, Iman isn't a point guard let's see what the kid can do.

But, life comes down to moments like this. A Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Tiki Barber, Victor Cruz and now a Jeremy Lin. All it takes is a little luck and the right opportunity.

Well said (the bolded part). I say that cause I don't really believe in dum luck - though it sure appears that way! I'm glad it turned out the way it did.

I have a feeling tonight will be special with Stat back. I hope he focuses more on the P&R than shooting. I'm sure he is hurting still and I don't mean to make it just about the game.

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2/14/2012  5:01 PM
Lin was a prospect and really most late round and undrafted prospects have ?'s. It doesn't mean that they are complete mysteries to teams. Sometimes they just have holes in their game. I believe that Lin was taken by the Knicks cuz he had some traits that they liked and they could've looked at any number of PG's that got cut or were in the D league. This kid had some skills that they felt good about. It's not like they just said oh well lets take the 1st PG that come along regardless. There was some scouting and assessment of his raw skills that went into the decision. Lin was a player they already liked. His skills got their attention enough to make him a target they put on their radar.
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