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JCrusher
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2/13/2012  4:32 PM
i dont know why melo thinks he has to do everything himself. I mean he must have seen the last week that lin,novak,fields,shumpert can be good when ther is ball movement. Remember Anthony put himself in thei posituion. he could have waited to join the Knicks as a FA which i thought was gonna happen. Then he demanded to be tarded during the season so he couold get his money even though it dismantled our team. Melo fans can spin ti any way they like but thats what happened. Now thats in the past we now have new life so melo has a chance to redeem himself hopefully he will do it
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2/13/2012  4:40 PM
Who Got Next?

"Melo should benefit from playing with Lin, who has the ability to get into the paint and keep defenses off-balance with his patient playmaking maneuvers on pick-and-roll plays. Recently, the Knicks' spacing and ball movement have been sharper, and those factors have enabled Landry Fields, Iman Shumpert and Steve Novak to get open shots and find lanes to the basket. Melo will capitalize even more from midrange, his hot zone. Before Lin, he was taking too many contested shots."

- Jared Zwerling, ESPN New York

Will Carmelo and Lin continue to bow to each other?

Of course.

He Said Easy

“To say, ‘How is it going to work out? Can I fit in?’ It’s easy,” Anthony said. “Give (Lin) the ball and space out.”

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2/13/2012  4:54 PM
Most of the time point guards aren't suppose to be the main scoring option. Only wall and rose really fit that. Lin can score but he could also dish. If melo and amare fit in well and novak still gets time lin could have a ****load of assists
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2/13/2012  4:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2012  5:04 PM
JCrusher wrote:Most of the time point guards aren't suppose to be the main scoring option. Only wall and rose really fit that. Lin can score but he could also dish. If melo and amare fit in well and novak still gets time lin could have a ****load of assists

Careful you're are talking team chemistry here and not spewing hate...Don't want u to veer of course...
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2/13/2012  5:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2012  5:02 PM
holfresh wrote:
JCrusher wrote:Most of the time point guards aren't suppose to be the main scoring option. Only wall and rose really fit that. Lin can score but he could also dish. If melo and amare fit in well and novak still gets time lin could have a ****load of assists

Careful your are talking team chemistry here and not spewing hate...Don't want u to veer of course...

Well if you actually read you would see that im all for team chemistry even with melo. I just have to see it first which is all but fair.
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2/13/2012  5:00 PM
I think holfresh's point is that Melo is going to take the brunt of the blame for Lin's probable drop in production.
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2/13/2012  5:01 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I think holfresh's point is that Melo is going to take the brunt of the blame for Lin's probable drop in production.
well tahst the nature of the game. as a superstar who uis making a ton of money and you are regarded as a bigtime player you need to take the heat. This is basketball not ballet
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2/13/2012  5:07 PM
Melo's been rooting for Lin the whole time. I admit it's gonna be a struggle, but MDA is pretty good at this stuff when he has a PG. And Melo has thrived with guys like Andre Miller and Chauncey Billups who are both some team-oriented PGs who also score a fair amount.

Lin was eventually sent back to the NBA's hinterlands -- the D-League -- for the fourth time in his career. But he wouldn't stay long. The Knicks brought him back after he logged a triple-double in his first game. Then, on Feb. 4, at halftime of a home game against New Jersey, injured Knicks star Carmelo Anthony suggested to coach Mike D'Antoni that he play Lin more in the second half.

http://www.mercurynews.com/jeremy-lin/ci_19954877

I don't think Lin/Melo is the problem. I don't think Lin/Amar'e is the problem. I think the question was and is still Amar'e/Melo.

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2/13/2012  5:19 PM
I foresee no real problem with this group. They seem to make sense to me. We've got real firepower in this lineup. So long as they stick to the spread offense with fluid motion and passing I don't see a problem. Lin is the perfect guy to allow this group to thrive. What's so different about running the same sets but with STAT verses Jared and Melo verses Walker? I only see better production!!! The spread offense is the same as it has been so far with Lin running the show, but only with better scorers in it!!!
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2/13/2012  5:21 PM
nixluva wrote:I foresee no real problem with this group. They seem to make sense to me. We've got real firepower in this lineup. So long as they stick to the spread offense with fluid motion and passing I don't see a problem. Lin is the perfect guy to allow this group to thrive. What's so different about running the same sets but with STAT verses Jared and Melo verses Walker? I only see better production!!! The spread offense is the same as it has been so far with Lin running the show, but only with better scorers in it!!!
You make a lot of sense nix. See i never said melo couldn't make it work im just saying that so far melo hasn't been that good for us. Now that we have a good pg for this system i can see melo fitting in better just as long as he plays teamball. the problem is that some people attack you even though you are not hating on melo and that has to stop
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2/13/2012  5:23 PM
nixluva wrote:I foresee no real problem with this group. They seem to make sense to me. We've got real firepower in this lineup. So long as they stick to the spread offense with fluid motion and passing I don't see a problem. Lin is the perfect guy to allow this group to thrive. What's so different about running the same sets but with STAT verses Jared and Melo verses Walker? I only see better production!!! The spread offense is the same as it has been so far with Lin running the show, but only with better scorers in it!!!

problem with Jeffries vs Amar'e on the floor is obvious - defense, hustle, loose ball chasing. the team's identity over the past week has been one of a hustling hustling defensive squad with a killer point guard. melo can add to that, but his defense is suspect - though no worse than billy walker's. amar'e's defensive pressence is nowhere NEAR jared's. and i'm not sure it's something effort can fix. jared is one of the best defenders in the league, whether he gets credit for it or not. amar'e is just not that guy.

the team is going to have a different feel when amar'e gets back. and much different when amar'e and melo. i hope they paid attention to some of the floor burns jeffries and co picked up for this team and how important those were to winning.

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2/13/2012  5:26 PM
DEE-fense

Carmelo Anthony is not a superstar. He is a gifted big man with the unique ability to create his own shot. He can get to the rack with relative ease. He can put the ball on he floor and had decent court vision. His past issue on offense was trust. With Shump hitting big shots and Fields having regained his groove, trust is shared.

The 5-0 Knicks embraced defensive effort with pride. They constantly made adjustments and covered for each other. Best defensive stretch of the past few years.

Forget the ball-handling. Once Jeremy Lin demonstrated could be a decent man-to-man defender against Deron Williams, the mood changed. Field's used his 6'7 height and lateral speed to guard the perimeter. Jared did his Jared thing and the Captain anchored the middle. Shumpert's all star calibre defense was a perfect compliment off the bench.

Forget who gets the shots. Fugeddabout the box score. Offense is second nature to our leading men at the bank. First, Amar'e and Carmelo's minutes should be monitored for what they bring on the defensive end. Amar'e and Carmelo will need to match the defensive intensity of The Replacements, grab a few extra rebounds and box out, to gain the respect of the MSG mob. If the depth and defensive demands reduce their minutes, that's cool too. Jared and Stevie Wonder are waiting at the scorers table.

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2/13/2012  5:26 PM
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holfresh wrote:
There is no way Lin continues at this pace...Melo is beginning to be the new Marbury in Knickland...He will be blamed for everything wrong with the Knicks...He was blamed for Field's lack of production...He was blamed and continue to be blamed for Denver's success and will no doubt will be blamed when we notice Lin's human like numbers again...No one noticed Lin was 1-12 from the field in the second half of the Minny game...Back pages in NY credited Lin with the win...Can't wait...

I'm more positive. Can't wait for Amare, Melo, Lin to gel and make hell for opponents.

Yeah this is don't get. We lose and we are negative. We win and we are negative. Can it ever end? We know Lin won't continue at this pace, so who cares if it happens when Melo returns? Most important is we keep winning, and i'm sure replacing Walker with Melo in the lineup will only help. You can't win in the playoffs with Walker and Jeffries as two of your starters. I get having a little bit of uncertainty for Melo coming back, but what i don't understand is it's as if people don't realize he has played alongside great game managing PGs his entire career, and that is when he plays his best basketball. Stoudemire played bad when Melo came because he lost his PG. Also, Billups is a good fit next to Melo but not Stoudemire. Now they have a PG who will fit well alongside both of them. Stoudemire played with a similar PG in Nash and so did Melo in Andre Miller. So what is all the concern about?
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2/13/2012  5:27 PM
crzymdups wrote:the team is going to have a different feel when amar'e gets back. and much different when amar'e and melo. i hope they paid attention to some of the floor burns jeffries and co picked up for this team and how important those were to winning.

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

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2/13/2012  5:28 PM
misterearl wrote:DEE-fense

Carmelo Anthony is not a superstar. He is a gifted big man with the unique ability to create his own shot. He can get to the rack with relative ease. He can put the ball on he floor and had decent court vision. His past issue on offense was trust. With Shump hitting big shots and Fields having regained his groove, trust is shared.

The 5-0 Knicks embraced defensive effort with pride. They constantly made adjustments and covered for each other. Best defensive stretch of the past few years.

Forget the ball-handling. Once Jeremy Lin demonstrated could be a decent man-to-man defender against Deron Williams, the mood changed. Field's used his 6'7 height and lateral speed to guard the perimeter. Jared did his Jared thing and the Captain anchored the middle. Shumpert's all star calibre defense was a perfect compliment off the bench.

Forget who gets the shots. Fugeddabout the box score. Offense is second nature to our leading men at the bank. First, Amar'e and Carmelo's minutes should be monitored for what they bring on the defensive end. Amar'e and Carmelo will need to match the defensive intensity of The Replacements, grab a few extra rebounds and box out, to gain the respect of the MSG mob. If the depth and defensive demands reduce their minutes, that's cool too. Jared and Stevie Wonder are waiting at the scorers table.

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I'm more worried about Amar'e's defensive effort with this group. Particularly because he'll be taking Jeffries' minutes. Melo replacing Bill Walker in the lineup might actually be a defensive upgrade.

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2/13/2012  5:31 PM
crzymdups wrote:Melo replacing Bill Walker in the lineup might actually be a defensive upgrade.

Carmelo replacing Bill Walker is like finding a Lexus in the parking spot where your Ford Escort was last night.

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martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
There is no way Lin continues at this pace...Melo is beginning to be the new Marbury in Knickland...He will be blamed for everything wrong with the Knicks...He was blamed for Field's lack of production...He was blamed and continue to be blamed for Denver's success and will no doubt will be blamed when we notice Lin's human like numbers again...No one noticed Lin was 1-12 from the field in the second half of the Minny game...Back pages in NY credited Lin with the win...Can't wait...

I'm more positive. Can't wait for Amare, Melo, Lin to gel and make hell for opponents.

Yeah this is don't get. We lose and we are negative. We win and we are negative. Can it ever end? We know Lin won't continue at this pace, so who cares if it happens when Melo returns? Most important is we keep winning, and i'm sure replacing Walker with Melo in the lineup will only help. You can't win in the playoffs with Walker and Jeffries as two of your starters. I get having a little bit of uncertainty for Melo coming back, but what i don't understand is it's as if people don't realize he has played alongside great game managing PGs his entire career, and that is when he plays his best basketball. Stoudemire played bad when Melo came because he lost his PG. Also, Billups is a good fit next to Melo but not Stoudemire. Now they have a PG who will fit well alongside both of them. Stoudemire played with a similar PG in Nash and so did Melo in Andre Miller. So what is all the concern about?

You gotta understand we have suffered for most of this decade. last year for the first time we were over .500 and going to make the playoffs. Also we were expecting to sign melo in the offseason which would made us even better. The the tarde happened and lets face it it was a bad trade. So you cant blame people at all. Now im not dwelling on teh trade i just want to win
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2/13/2012  6:07 PM
JCrusher wrote:
holfresh wrote:
There is no way Lin continues at this pace...Melo is beginning to be the new Marbury in Knickland...He will be blamed for everything wrong with the Knicks...He was blamed for Field's lack of production...He was blamed and continue to be blamed for Denver's success and will no doubt will be blamed when we notice Lin's human like numbers again...No one noticed Lin was 1-12 from the field in the second half of the Minny game...Back pages in NY credited Lin with the win...Can't wait...
Looks like someone's got a bit of a hard on for ol' melo huh lol. Lin doesn't deserve all the credit guys like jeffries,tyson,shumpert,and novak have played very well. for the first time since early last year this is a team. Im sorry but people have every right to be critical of melo i mean if he would have just waited for FA im telling you he wouldn't have as much heat on him but her made the wrong decision. Now im rooting for melo to be a team player because im a knick fan.

This argument is disingenuous. Dolan and Walsh made the trade Melo didn't. Melo wamted his money, it's not is job to make the GM of the other team look good. We didn't have to trade for Melo we did that becuase our owner was too F###ing greedey, that is NOT Melo's fault. The hate on Melo here is about as irrational as he hate on MDA.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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2/13/2012  6:17 PM
loweyecue wrote:
JCrusher wrote:
holfresh wrote:
There is no way Lin continues at this pace...Melo is beginning to be the new Marbury in Knickland...He will be blamed for everything wrong with the Knicks...He was blamed for Field's lack of production...He was blamed and continue to be blamed for Denver's success and will no doubt will be blamed when we notice Lin's human like numbers again...No one noticed Lin was 1-12 from the field in the second half of the Minny game...Back pages in NY credited Lin with the win...Can't wait...
Looks like someone's got a bit of a hard on for ol' melo huh lol. Lin doesn't deserve all the credit guys like jeffries,tyson,shumpert,and novak have played very well. for the first time since early last year this is a team. Im sorry but people have every right to be critical of melo i mean if he would have just waited for FA im telling you he wouldn't have as much heat on him but her made the wrong decision. Now im rooting for melo to be a team player because im a knick fan.

This argument is disingenuous. Dolan and Walsh made the trade Melo didn't. Melo wamted his money, it's not is job to make the GM of the other team look good. We didn't have to trade for Melo we did that becuase our owner was too F###ing greedey, that is NOT Melo's fault. The hate on Melo here is about as irrational as he hate on MDA.

I dont hate melo. I mean if you read other posts i was all for bringing him in via FA this way we could have still gotten paul via trade. I mean its easy to say forget about the tarde but it has hurt us until recently so as a bigtime fan i was upset. True Dolan made teh bonehead move but melo said he would go to new jersey so he didn't make it easier. If you want to be a on a ceratin team you sacrifice like lebron and bosh did. now i hate thsoe guys but they made the smart decision
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JCrusher wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
JCrusher wrote:
holfresh wrote:
There is no way Lin continues at this pace...Melo is beginning to be the new Marbury in Knickland...He will be blamed for everything wrong with the Knicks...He was blamed for Field's lack of production...He was blamed and continue to be blamed for Denver's success and will no doubt will be blamed when we notice Lin's human like numbers again...No one noticed Lin was 1-12 from the field in the second half of the Minny game...Back pages in NY credited Lin with the win...Can't wait...
Looks like someone's got a bit of a hard on for ol' melo huh lol. Lin doesn't deserve all the credit guys like jeffries,tyson,shumpert,and novak have played very well. for the first time since early last year this is a team. Im sorry but people have every right to be critical of melo i mean if he would have just waited for FA im telling you he wouldn't have as much heat on him but her made the wrong decision. Now im rooting for melo to be a team player because im a knick fan.

This argument is disingenuous. Dolan and Walsh made the trade Melo didn't. Melo wamted his money, it's not is job to make the GM of the other team look good. We didn't have to trade for Melo we did that becuase our owner was too F###ing greedey, that is NOT Melo's fault. The hate on Melo here is about as irrational as he hate on MDA.

I dont hate melo. I mean if you read other posts i was all for bringing him in via FA this way we could have still gotten paul via trade. I mean its easy to say forget about the tarde but it has hurt us until recently so as a bigtime fan i was upset. True Dolan made teh bonehead move but melo said he would go to new jersey so he didn't make it easier. If you want to be a on a ceratin team you sacrifice like lebron and bosh did. now i hate thsoe guys but they made the smart decision

What Lebron and Bosh did was predetermined and planned based on once in a lifetime type of timing opportunity. We never had a shot of getting three stars at the same time so the question of getting into an arrangement like that didn't even exist. You wanted Melo and you wanted him to take a pay cut and now you are taking it out on him because he didn't give up millions to make you happy? Exactly what does Melo owe you again?

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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