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2/12/2012  11:48 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
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Bonn1997 wrote:We need a guy who's been playing the same way for 8 years to entirely change his approach to offense. It's not impossible but it's highly uncommon.

uh, he's played with point guards before. andre miller was always near the league leaders in assists when he was in denver with melo. chauncey had the ball in his hands a lot. so did iverson.

melo isn't a selfish player, i think he got caught up in the idea he needed to do it all here.

i'm hoping this week watching the team helps him see the possibilities of playing with his teammates. it's certainly a big slice of humble pie to have the team go 5-0 w/lin after a 2-11 stretch.


Sure, if the goal is to win two playoff series over an eight year span, he can keep doing what he's always done.


Its funny how you're quick to use Stats and Numbers to back up your point but fail to mention them (or purposely hide them) when they would expose your propagand-like posts. With the exception of 2 series, every single time the Nuggs lost in the first round they did not have homecourt advantage and lost to the Spurs and Lakers I believe 4 times in a very tough west. The one year they did break through, they finally had homecourt which is essential in the playoffs and they had a vet-lead guard in Billups.....
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2/12/2012  11:51 AM
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Uptown wrote:Lin is going to have to adjust his game a bit. We saw last night that the TWolves were packing in the paint on Lins drives and were playing him for the shot. Definitely want Lin to stay in attack-mode, but he is going to have to kick it out to shooters some, or lay it off to Stat or Chandler creeping on the baseline as he drives to the basket.

A steady diet of drives and kicks and drives and lay-offs will give the defense something to think about when he's penetrating. Afterwards, when he takes it to the rim, a simple ball fake or look-off will open up the basket for layups. Also, I noticed a few times that Chandler was open last two games and Lin missed him a few times.

i dont agree. lin has kicked it out to shooters on drives before. But he is one of te better guard going to the basket. last night he has so many non calls from the refs it was ridiculous. melo has to adjust since lin has been more successul than melo ahs been here son far

Yes, he kicks it out some, but last night the defense converged on him and he still forced up some very tough shots that got it thrown back in his face or he just flat-out missed difficult shots. With Stat and Melo back, we really dont need Lin taking 23 shots per. The bruden would have been lifted off of his shulders and he needs to take advantage of the new weapons he will have around him in the coming weeks. This will make him and the team even more dangerous.
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2/12/2012  12:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2012  12:02 PM
Uptown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:We need a guy who's been playing the same way for 8 years to entirely change his approach to offense. It's not impossible but it's highly uncommon.

uh, he's played with point guards before. andre miller was always near the league leaders in assists when he was in denver with melo. chauncey had the ball in his hands a lot. so did iverson.

melo isn't a selfish player, i think he got caught up in the idea he needed to do it all here.

i'm hoping this week watching the team helps him see the possibilities of playing with his teammates. it's certainly a big slice of humble pie to have the team go 5-0 w/lin after a 2-11 stretch.


Sure, if the goal is to win two playoff series over an eight year span, he can keep doing what he's always done.


Its funny how you're quick to use Stats and Numbers to back up your point but fail to mention them (or purposely hide them) when they would expose your propagand-like posts. With the exception of 2 series, every single time the Nuggs lost in the first round they did not have homecourt advantage and lost to the Spurs and Lakers I believe 4 times in a very tough west. The one year they did break through, they finally had homecourt which is essential in the playoffs and they had a vet-lead guard in Billups.....


So his teams weren't good enough to get home-court or get a matchup against a lower seed? That does not contract anything in my "propagand-like" (sic) posts.
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2/12/2012  12:01 PM
Uptown wrote:
JCrusher wrote:
Uptown wrote:Lin is going to have to adjust his game a bit. We saw last night that the TWolves were packing in the paint on Lins drives and were playing him for the shot. Definitely want Lin to stay in attack-mode, but he is going to have to kick it out to shooters some, or lay it off to Stat or Chandler creeping on the baseline as he drives to the basket.

A steady diet of drives and kicks and drives and lay-offs will give the defense something to think about when he's penetrating. Afterwards, when he takes it to the rim, a simple ball fake or look-off will open up the basket for layups. Also, I noticed a few times that Chandler was open last two games and Lin missed him a few times.

i dont agree. lin has kicked it out to shooters on drives before. But he is one of te better guard going to the basket. last night he has so many non calls from the refs it was ridiculous. melo has to adjust since lin has been more successul than melo ahs been here son far

Yes, he kicks it out some, but last night the defense converged on him and he still forced up some very tough shots that got it thrown back in his face or he just flat-out missed difficult shots. With Stat and Melo back, we really dont need Lin taking 23 shots per. The bruden would have been lifted off of his shulders and he needs to take advantage of the new weapons he will have around him in the coming weeks. This will make him and the team even more dangerous.

ya im not saying he should take a lot of shots every game but he is a good scoring point guard. Thats why im saying melo has to adjust because lin is very good at getting to the paint because he draws fouls, kicks it out, or will score
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2/12/2012  12:21 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:We need a guy who's been playing the same way for 8 years to entirely change his approach to offense. It's not impossible but it's highly uncommon.

uh, he's played with point guards before. andre miller was always near the league leaders in assists when he was in denver with melo. chauncey had the ball in his hands a lot. so did iverson.

melo isn't a selfish player, i think he got caught up in the idea he needed to do it all here.

i'm hoping this week watching the team helps him see the possibilities of playing with his teammates. it's certainly a big slice of humble pie to have the team go 5-0 w/lin after a 2-11 stretch.


Sure, if the goal is to win two playoff series over an eight year span, he can keep doing what he's always done.


Its funny how you're quick to use Stats and Numbers to back up your point but fail to mention them (or purposely hide them) when they would expose your propagand-like posts. With the exception of 2 series, every single time the Nuggs lost in the first round they did not have homecourt advantage and lost to the Spurs and Lakers I believe 4 times in a very tough west. The one year they did break through, they finally had homecourt which is essential in the playoffs and they had a vet-lead guard in Billups.....


So his teams weren't good enough to get home-court or get a matchup against a lower seed? That does not contract anything in my "propagand-like" (sic) posts.

Dude, the western conference was loaded during those times. The Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Suns, Rockets (during Yoa's prime) and the Jazz were all really good teams back then. In 2008, the Nuggs were 50-32 and were the 8th seed in the playoffs. We are 13-15 and are currently holding the 8th seed in the east. Last year we were 42-40 and that was good for the 6th seed.
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2/12/2012  12:23 PM
Uptown wrote:
JCrusher wrote:
Uptown wrote:Lin is going to have to adjust his game a bit. We saw last night that the TWolves were packing in the paint on Lins drives and were playing him for the shot. Definitely want Lin to stay in attack-mode, but he is going to have to kick it out to shooters some, or lay it off to Stat or Chandler creeping on the baseline as he drives to the basket.

A steady diet of drives and kicks and drives and lay-offs will give the defense something to think about when he's penetrating. Afterwards, when he takes it to the rim, a simple ball fake or look-off will open up the basket for layups. Also, I noticed a few times that Chandler was open last two games and Lin missed him a few times.

i dont agree. lin has kicked it out to shooters on drives before. But he is one of te better guard going to the basket. last night he has so many non calls from the refs it was ridiculous. melo has to adjust since lin has been more successul than melo ahs been here son far

Yes, he kicks it out some, but last night the defense converged on him and he still forced up some very tough shots that got it thrown back in his face or he just flat-out missed difficult shots. With Stat and Melo back, we really dont need Lin taking 23 shots per. The bruden would have been lifted off of his shulders and he needs to take advantage of the new weapons he will have around him in the coming weeks. This will make him and the team even more dangerous.

Yea he def had opportunities to kick out last game but took it to the rack. He was drawing 4 guys at times there has to be someone open on the outside. His last drive when he got fouled he had Fields open in the corner as he pulled his defender on the drive. If Melo is there though that defender probably doesn't leave Melo though. And Lin will probably be way more willing to kick it out to Melo then Fields who hasn't been knocking down 3s this season.

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2/12/2012  12:23 PM
JCrusher wrote:
Uptown wrote:
JCrusher wrote:
Uptown wrote:Lin is going to have to adjust his game a bit. We saw last night that the TWolves were packing in the paint on Lins drives and were playing him for the shot. Definitely want Lin to stay in attack-mode, but he is going to have to kick it out to shooters some, or lay it off to Stat or Chandler creeping on the baseline as he drives to the basket.

A steady diet of drives and kicks and drives and lay-offs will give the defense something to think about when he's penetrating. Afterwards, when he takes it to the rim, a simple ball fake or look-off will open up the basket for layups. Also, I noticed a few times that Chandler was open last two games and Lin missed him a few times.

i dont agree. lin has kicked it out to shooters on drives before. But he is one of te better guard going to the basket. last night he has so many non calls from the refs it was ridiculous. melo has to adjust since lin has been more successul than melo ahs been here son far

Yes, he kicks it out some, but last night the defense converged on him and he still forced up some very tough shots that got it thrown back in his face or he just flat-out missed difficult shots. With Stat and Melo back, we really dont need Lin taking 23 shots per. The bruden would have been lifted off of his shulders and he needs to take advantage of the new weapons he will have around him in the coming weeks. This will make him and the team even more dangerous.

ya im not saying he should take a lot of shots every game but he is a good scoring point guard. Thats why im saying melo has to adjust because lin is very good at getting to the paint because he draws fouls, kicks it out, or will score

It'll be an adjustment for everyone, including our coach. Cant wait to see it unfold. We have the potential to be really, really good.
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2/12/2012  12:26 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:
JCrusher wrote:
Uptown wrote:Lin is going to have to adjust his game a bit. We saw last night that the TWolves were packing in the paint on Lins drives and were playing him for the shot. Definitely want Lin to stay in attack-mode, but he is going to have to kick it out to shooters some, or lay it off to Stat or Chandler creeping on the baseline as he drives to the basket.

A steady diet of drives and kicks and drives and lay-offs will give the defense something to think about when he's penetrating. Afterwards, when he takes it to the rim, a simple ball fake or look-off will open up the basket for layups. Also, I noticed a few times that Chandler was open last two games and Lin missed him a few times.

i dont agree. lin has kicked it out to shooters on drives before. But he is one of te better guard going to the basket. last night he has so many non calls from the refs it was ridiculous. melo has to adjust since lin has been more successul than melo ahs been here son far

Yes, he kicks it out some, but last night the defense converged on him and he still forced up some very tough shots that got it thrown back in his face or he just flat-out missed difficult shots. With Stat and Melo back, we really dont need Lin taking 23 shots per. The bruden would have been lifted off of his shulders and he needs to take advantage of the new weapons he will have around him in the coming weeks. This will make him and the team even more dangerous.

Yea he def had opportunities to kick out last game but took it to the rack. He was drawing 4 guys at times there has to be someone open on the outside. His last drive when he got fouled he had Fields open in the corner as he pulled his defender on the drive. If Melo is there though that defender probably doesn't leave Melo though. And Lin will probably be way more willing to kick it out to Melo then Fields who hasn't been knocking down 3s this season.

Good point about Fields. He did drive and kick to Fields in the first half and as usual, Fields threw-up another flat shot that bricked off the rim. Lin is smart enough to know the callibre of players on the floor with him. Good point.
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2/12/2012  12:29 PM
Lin has to adjust his play as well...Lin has taken 23 and 24 shots in the last two games...A number that Melo would be crucified for on this board...
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2/12/2012  12:32 PM
holfresh wrote:Lin has to adjust his play as well...Lin has taken 23 and 24 shots in the last two games...A number that Melo would be crucified for on this board...

True. But you know how it is, everybody loves the underdog....
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2/12/2012  12:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2012  12:44 PM
Uptown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
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Bonn1997 wrote:We need a guy who's been playing the same way for 8 years to entirely change his approach to offense. It's not impossible but it's highly uncommon.

uh, he's played with point guards before. andre miller was always near the league leaders in assists when he was in denver with melo. chauncey had the ball in his hands a lot. so did iverson.

melo isn't a selfish player, i think he got caught up in the idea he needed to do it all here.

i'm hoping this week watching the team helps him see the possibilities of playing with his teammates. it's certainly a big slice of humble pie to have the team go 5-0 w/lin after a 2-11 stretch.


Sure, if the goal is to win two playoff series over an eight year span, he can keep doing what he's always done.


Its funny how you're quick to use Stats and Numbers to back up your point but fail to mention them (or purposely hide them) when they would expose your propagand-like posts. With the exception of 2 series, every single time the Nuggs lost in the first round they did not have homecourt advantage and lost to the Spurs and Lakers I believe 4 times in a very tough west. The one year they did break through, they finally had homecourt which is essential in the playoffs and they had a vet-lead guard in Billups.....


So his teams weren't good enough to get home-court or get a matchup against a lower seed? That does not contract anything in my "propagand-like" (sic) posts.

Dude, the western conference was loaded during those times. The Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Suns, Rockets (during Yoa's prime) and the Jazz were all really good teams back then. In 2008, the Nuggs were 50-32 and were the 8th seed in the playoffs. We are 13-15 and are currently holding the 8th seed in the east. Last year we were 42-40 and that was good for the 6th seed.


Is the goal to develop a team that's better than the Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Magic, Bulls, Heat, etc., or not? If not, he can keep doing what he's always done.
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2/12/2012  12:50 PM
holfresh wrote:Lin has to adjust his play as well...Lin has taken 23 and 24 shots in the last two games...A number that Melo would be crucified for on this board...

Pretty much. Lin is solid but Melo is the star.

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2/12/2012  1:09 PM
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:Lin has to adjust his play as well...Lin has taken 23 and 24 shots in the last two games...A number that Melo would be crucified for on this board...

True. But you know how it is, everybody loves the underdog....

well one big difference lin is winning and melo wasn't. im not saying lin is better than melo but lin is having more success thus far. I mean i know you think im hating on melo but im not just being honest i mean i kow you are a big melo fan which is cool but its ok to point out his flaws lol
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2/12/2012  1:22 PM
I think melo will adjust but you will see some occasional iso's. I dont mind them with 5-6 seconds left on the clock if the pnr hasnt worked i just dont wanna see melo being fed the ball in crunchtime when the pnr has been working all game. Im actually more worried about stat. He definitely doesnt need to be forcing his drives anymore. Hopefully he can get his jumper on track. He should have even more room to get his j off.
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2/12/2012  1:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2012  1:36 PM
JCrusher wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:Lin has to adjust his play as well...Lin has taken 23 and 24 shots in the last two games...A number that Melo would be crucified for on this board...

True. But you know how it is, everybody loves the underdog....

well one big difference lin is winning and melo wasn't. im not saying lin is better than melo but lin is having more success thus far. I mean i know you think im hating on melo but im not just being honest i mean i kow you are a big melo fan which is cool but its ok to point out his flaws lol

This isn't about one guy versus the other, this is about how you win a Championship...This is about trying to bring a talented group on paper to a talented group on the court...If this team want to get to the next level and compete with the Bostons, Heat and Bulls of the world we needed good PG play..Looks like we have that, can't wait to get a glimpse at what BD can do for us too...Now it's time to move from the novelty act to a big game act...Everyone has to adjust, Melo and Lin included...
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2/12/2012  1:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2012  1:44 PM
The Adjustment Bureau

holfresh wrote:Lin has to adjust his play as well...Lin has taken 23 and 24 shots in the last two games...A number that Melo would be crucified for on this board...

holfresh - well said. Every single player on the roster must make an adjustment

Lin must adjust to teams collapsing on him in the paint. In the sequence outlined by Bruce Bowen, the Wolves had three guys converge and Lin forced some shots in the second half. He must recognize how teams will scout him and adjust to having more crayons in the box.

Fields must re-adjust to Carmelo being in the frontcourt and not lose his aggresivness.

Carmelo must adjust to Lin's change of gears and be alert to cameo as point forward when Lin is trapped.

Amar'e must adjust to the loss of his beloved brother/father - and surrender some minutes as Jeffries is a better perimeter defender

Jeffries must adjust to playing fewer minutes and fewer shots.

Tyson Chandler must adjust to Amar'e attracting more attention in the paint than Jared Jeffries.

Shump must adjust to... er... well... nothing... keep playing all star defense young man, and make your layups.

Novak must adjust to reduced minutes although he needs more minutes.

Bill Walker must adjust to being a bit player and not a rotation player

Harrellson must adjust to fighting for minutes, and rebounds when Tyson gets in foul trouble.

Bibby must adjust to trade deadline rumors.

Toney Douglas must adjust to being a pine brother.

Balkman must adjust to being forgotten.

Jerome Jordan must adjust to being a cheerleader.

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misterearl wrote:The Adjustment Bureau

holfresh wrote:Lin has to adjust his play as well...Lin has taken 23 and 24 shots in the last two games...A number that Melo would be crucified for on this board...

holfresh - well said. Every single player on the roster must make an adjustment

Lin must adjust to teams collapsing on him in the paint. In the sequence outlined by Bruce Bowen, the Wolves had three guys converge and Lin forced some shots in the second half. He must recognize how teams will scout him and adjust to having more crayons in the box.

Fields must re-adjust to Carmelo being in the frontcourt and not lose his aggresivness.

Carmelo must adjust to Lin's change of gears and be alert to cameo as point forward when Lin is trapped.

Amar'e must adjust to the loss of his beloved brother/father - and surrender some minutes as Jeffries is a better perimeter defender

Jeffries must adjust to playing fewer minutes and fewer shots.

Tyson Chandler must adjust to Amar'e attracting more attention in the paint than Jared Jeffries.

Shump must adjust to... er... well... nothing... keep playing all star defense young man, and make your layups.

Novak must adjust to reduced minutes although he needs more minutes.

Bill Walker must adjust to being a bit player and not a rotation player

Harrellson must adjust to fighting for minutes, and rebounds when Tyson gets in foul trouble.

Bibby must adjust to trade deadline rumors.

Toney Douglas must adjust to being a pine brother.

Balkman must adjust to being forgotten.

Jerome Jordan must adjust to being a cheerleader.

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2/12/2012  1:54 PM
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holfresh wrote:Isn't it a beautiful thing Earl, the possibilities of good basketball...Can't wait!!!!

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2/12/2012  2:20 PM
You guys should watch the LA game and just look at how hard Melo was cheering after almost every Lin basket and how he was waving his hands like " that aint nothing" when Kobe anwered with a basket. It was funny. We just have to wait and see but I think it will work out. People giving Lin the credit but are forgetting the importance of Novak being in the line up to space the floor something Melo did not have. Line will control the ball and Melo will be o.k. It is not like Billups did not control the ball and he had many possesion in the game where he just brought the ball up and posted up his defender. If he can play with a score first pg I am sure he can play with a pass first pg.
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