ramtour420 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:There will be more than enough to go around with the way they rotate players. STAT usually gets some time without Melo and vice versa. So Lin will be able to make it work with whoever is on the floor with him. It's not like Melo has never played with a PG before. I don't think it's gonna be that hard. Once he gets some practices with Lin as the starter they can develop some chemistry and figure some things out. Every player wants to play with a real passer, no matter if it's CP3 or Lin.

Not everyone is that optimistic. I don't think Melo will appreciate being the 3rd or 4th option. But my opinion is speculative, you seem to sure of yours

Not sure where you are getting this from but Melo is totally fine allowing his teammates find their rhythm. In the playoffs PnR. Is just as hard to defend, jazz being the perfect example, even over MDA , who has had his share of success. Off of a broken play, Melo can be deadly, I will be the first one to say it. 3es option, fine, but 4 th ? Behind who exactly?

Lin/Chandler, I believe, will be the main play. Which in turn make Lin and Chandler 1 and 2. I think Amare fits into the PNR offense a bit more so he is 3. Melo - 4. Can he be 3? possibly - we will see.

I think Melo can let the system come to him, but I am not totally sold. Karl and MDA both seemed to have issues with him slowing down the offense with 1 on 1 play. That will kill this offense.

Knixkik wrote:It should work fine. Stat is at home playing with a real PG. Lin is a poor man's Nash right now. Melo plays his best basketball with a top PG (Billups/Miller.) He can focus on what he does best and score. He is a top finisher in this league. When lin drives to the basket and the PnR fails, Melo should be able to cut and get the ball within 10 ft of the basket. That is where he is most effective. He won't have to create, so it will make things easier. Obviously adjustments will need to be made, but it should definitely work just fine.

Well said and I do think Melo feels pressure to be more of a team player. If not, he is the odd one out and a great asset to have.

EMS

Panos wrote:Trade Melo for Gallo, Chandler, The Moz and our 2014 pick.

What if Jimmy can trade Lin?

STAT is not an issue. He has played this before with Nash and Shaq.

Melo has no choice. If he doesn't the NY fans will ride him unmercifully. If he has half the brains of Lin, he will understand that the better the team does, the more open looks he will get. The more efficient he will be and the better he will look. When he buys in, he will realize that with a solid TEAM, they can win it all. That should motivate any player.

"Suns fan here.

Great plays can make average players good and good players great, and a great play is harder to guard for 48 minutes than a great player. In Jeremy Lin, I see some real potential for the Knicks to learn how to play as a team. If he can learn how to run the most crucial play in D’Antoni’s system - the high pick n roll, the Knicks will be tough to beat.

There seems to be a discussion about the need for this team to find a way to get the ball to both Melo and STAT, the teams “great players.” IMO, in D’Antoni’s system this discussion should only have bearing on the last 5 minutes of close games. That’s because for the rest of the game, it should be a play, not a player, that carries the team. In D’Antoni’s system, and with the personnel in NY, that play is the high pick n roll.

Jeremy Lin shows the instincts and intelligence required for a point guard to run this play successfully. Lin is no Nash, but if he and STAT can develop even a semblance of the chemistry that Nash and Amar’e had, then the Knicks will not have to worry about finding a way for Melo and Amar’e to share the ball: it will take care of itself.

The Pick And Roll in Phoenix, even though it was initiated by Nash and STAT, was not a play designed to get the ball to Amar’e, but it was an extremely efficient way to create an open shot for anybody. If the defense sunk in to help, Nash would find a shooter; if they went under screens, Nash would drain a three, if they played the passing lane, then he’d kick out and find an open shooter.

Steve Nash came to Phoenix as a good player, but this great play turned him into a superstar. Shawn Marion was a good player before, but this play turned him into an extremely efficient player (the Suns didn’t “run any plays” for him, but he still managed to score in bunches, without taking any shots).

Melo is a ball stopper. And while he is nice to have around in the fourth quarter (has he proven this yet, btw?) his demand for the ball is going to cost everyone around him. Maybe I’m pointing out the obvious – that the Knicks need a good pg- but I think its just as important for them to not have a ball-stopper.

Really, he’s got to go, or else this system cannot work. And I’d rather pin my hopes on a team oriented system than on one player."

- escapegoat

Can we compare it to the Celtics running PNR with Rondo/Garnett and Pierce and Allen still have many value plays in the offense?

misterearl wrote:Bootleg POD

"Suns fan here.

Great plays can make average players good and good players great, and a great play is harder to guard for 48 minutes than a great player. In Jeremy Lin, I see some real potential for the Knicks to learn how to play as a team. If he can learn how to run the most crucial play in D’Antoni’s system - the high pick n roll, the Knicks will be tough to beat.

There seems to be a discussion about the need for this team to find a way to get the ball to both Melo and STAT, the teams “great players.” IMO, in D’Antoni’s system this discussion should only have bearing on the last 5 minutes of close games. That’s because for the rest of the game, it should be a play, not a player, that carries the team. In D’Antoni’s system, and with the personnel in NY, that play is the high pick n roll.

Jeremy Lin shows the instincts and intelligence required for a point guard to run this play successfully. Lin is no Nash, but if he and STAT can develop even a semblance of the chemistry that Nash and Amar’e had, then the Knicks will not have to worry about finding a way for Melo and Amar’e to share the ball: it will take care of itself.

The Pick And Roll in Phoenix, even though it was initiated by Nash and STAT, was not a play designed to get the ball to Amar’e, but it was an extremely efficient way to create an open shot for anybody. If the defense sunk in to help, Nash would find a shooter; if they went under screens, Nash would drain a three, if they played the passing lane, then he’d kick out and find an open shooter.

Steve Nash came to Phoenix as a good player, but this great play turned him into a superstar. Shawn Marion was a good player before, but this play turned him into an extremely efficient player (the Suns didn’t “run any plays” for him, but he still managed to score in bunches, without taking any shots).

Melo is a ball stopper. And while he is nice to have around in the fourth quarter (has he proven this yet, btw?) his demand for the ball is going to cost everyone around him. Maybe I’m pointing out the obvious – that the Knicks need a good pg- but I think its just as important for them to not have a ball-stopper.

Really, he’s got to go, or else this system cannot work. And I’d rather pin my hopes on a team oriented system than on one player."

- escapegoat

Anyone think Melo, his agent, the coach, the GM were all together on what needs to happen over time for Melo to be about winning?

Last season was too small a sample and installing new players on the fly is not really doable.

I see Melo playing in spurts in the team concept and is a better passer than I thought he would be.

If Lin is 2/3 nash we are better than the Heat.