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gunsnewing
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2/8/2012  12:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/8/2012  12:13 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:However, if he continues playing the way he is now, why are we even thinking about Steve Nash? That would be purely irresponsible to give up Lin for a guy who might be in the league for another year or so. If Lin puts up half the production that he did the past 2 days (Which I'd be very happy about), then this wont be a problem. We should be able to resign Lin, Fields and have a chance at Nash.

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Try to get Wilson with the MLE eventhough it may be a long shot. No to Nash & Ray Allen. Get someone younger and more useful. Less injury prone

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2/8/2012  12:16 PM
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FrenchKnicks wrote:YOu guys really have to be kidding... Lin is a D-League player, he'll never get paid more than 2 mil next year !

He's lost more balls in his own half court than I've seen in my entire life. He has bad footing, and has almost as many offensive foul / min as STAT.

That guy has a couple of good games and people are already talking about the MLE ?! I mean really ?!

I actually think his footwork is outstanding. He's not fluid like Nash but he's very much in control and that's why he is difficult to defend. With that said, I agree he needs to control the TOs more.

However, if he continues playing the way he is now, why are we even thinking about Steve Nash? That would be purely irresponsible to give up Lin for a guy who might be in the league for another year or so. If Lin puts up half the production that he did the past 2 days (Which I'd be very happy about), then this wont be a problem. We should be able to resign Lin, Fields and have a chance at Nash.

I think the TOs in the last game were more about him playing 45 minutes, and all of the second half!

But I agree with what you said - and depending on where Nash is, he might take less to play with a kid like Lin in MDA's system.

Of course, chances are MDA is gone after this year, so...

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2/8/2012  12:22 PM
The way Lin has sparked the crowd, the same effect that Melo did when he was traded to the Knicks.
He revived our home court, our energy, and most importantly, in a business POV, he has gained fame and popularity without a 20million dollar deal and giving up assets.
Dolan was at the game, without the boos that we have been getting recently, and you can be sure that Lin, being an Asian American will continue to generate sales from all over the world and continue to develop that fan base. Dolan is a business man first and a fan of basketball 2nd. Lin just makes sense to be resigned whether it will be for the MLE
or if he would sign the Bi Annual Exemption that would give us his bird rights. If he continues to play at this level, its a great plus from a fan's POV.

We have a lot of holes to fill but Lin has a nice ceilings and fills one of our needs. Lin has been "struggling" in the NBA in terms of salary, I don't expect much of a discount because he has to do what is best for his career. The best case scenario is Lin giving taking the Bi Annual Exemption or splitting the MLE in which he would be able to opt out in 2 years. While Nash and Miller are probably the best veterans in the positions, they do not possess that speed/quickness that Lin has with the penetration.
Dragic and Sessions are players that have that speed/quickness but they do not bring that same fan base that Lin would bring. So in the end, Dolan will make the call on this one, he will not let Lin go and will be willing to give him the full MLE vs any realistic FA in the summer when it comes down to it.

It isn't about how much better our team would be if we targeted other FA's and spent the money elsewhere, its about the $ that Lin can generate as an Asian American.
He isn't a bum or D league material that some thought he was here, he has game. Whether he will be starting caliber PG or a 2nd string PG will be determined in the future but
his potential and skills are there.

As for Fields, you can tell he wants to be here and the Knicks will pay him his market value. Because of our limited abilities to acquire talent outside of our exemptions, limited draft picks, and inability to acquire talent with the salary cap, it is no brainer to retain Fields. I was confused that we wouldn't be able to match his salary outside of our MLE, but if we can retain Fields without using it, you can be sure we would be willing to open the bank for him. Lin's continued development, style of play, ability to penetrate, push the tempo, and play the style that fits Fields which would surely help his decision. I am unsure of Walker/Novaks future with the Knicks, while Lin's continued play could help their games vs ISO play of Melo. They show they can be useful in the rotation but need ball movement and the penetration that a player line Lin can provide.
In the end, its a business, at their careers, they will have to take the best route for their future. Its possible we will only be able to retain one of these players and they would cost more than the veterans minimum, especially more than 1 year. It is possible we will lose both while we will look to target veterans in possibly any positions that are willing to come at a slighter discount.

Lin and Iman both play good defense, with the combination of speed and capable of staying in front of their man. Iman now can be the 2nd penetration player, with teams focusing on stopping Lin. I expect Iman to come back a lot better next year, with a taste of the NBA, and with his worth ethic. TD is struggling now, while his skills doesn't include playing PG.
He could be a great asset with many other teams, including Miami and even Clippers. His value is quite low right now but I think its mainly due to that lost of confidence and struggles at PG early. He has to find back his role he once thrived under and I would hold on to him for the sake of him getting that motivation with a trade to haunt us under another team like the Heat. With Lebron, Wade, Chalmers, Cole, and Bosh, his role will be a lot easier and they have the luxury of playing him limited minutes.
He fits with teams that have players that can take the facilitating/decision making, able to penetrate and with 4 shooters to spread the floor.
He is a gym rat as the effort is there, he lacks BB IQ. He just needs slight improvements defensively, mentally, as he actually does have the heart + physical abilities to be a good defender. Unless we can get good value for him and trade him to the West, keeping him on our roster would be the best option, even if we do not play him because he can haunt us if on the right team...

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2/8/2012  12:25 PM
martin wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:I think we are in the drivers seat. Teams can't offer Lin more than we can:
However, due to the so-called “Gilbert Arenas provision,” other teams are limited in what they can offer Fields and Lin. They can only offer them up to the full mid-level.

The article implies that we can combine the mid-level with bi-annual and go over 5 million (if Lin exploded this year - just sayin.)? We wouldn't have to go to the combined values of 7.5 million, just a bit more than the mid-level - I think.

you cannot combine them.

Thanks Martin, I was thrown off be their "dip into" statement. We still should have a big advantage as said here:

if I’m Lin, I’m asking for the full mid-level for 2 years at which point he would be eligible for full Bird Rights (since he would have been on the Knicks for three straight years) and then he could get a substantial raise.

We would then be able to give him the biggest raise of any team. So, the only way in my mind that he would leave here is if he didn't want to play here. Teams can't offer him more money than us. Hopefully things work out well for both him and us.

Regarding Nash, I don't think he comes here for the Mid Level anyway. He can get much more.

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2/8/2012  1:13 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
TheGame wrote:I think you sell Lin on the endorsement opportunities in New York and offer him $2 million for two years with a behind the scene promise to pay substantially more in the third year. It would be great if we could save our MLE for Steve Nash or a SG.

Has anyone ever taken less to play in NY because of endorsement possibilities?

I really don't think it will be that much less. Baron Davis is probably going to start once he gets healthy, and Lin is not going to score 25+ points every game. Since we have the ability to match any other teams offer (other teams are limited to offering MLE), other teams know there is no way they are getting Lin, so he might not get any offers. If that is the case, we can give him a low but fair offer of $2 million with the promise of much more if he performs. As the only chinese-american in the league, he will have a boat load of endorsement opportunities in New York. It would hard to imagine that he could not earn at least $1-$2 million in outside endorsements.

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2/8/2012  1:59 PM
RonRon wrote:The way Lin has sparked the crowd, the same effect that Melo did when he was traded to the Knicks.
He revived our home court, our energy, and most importantly, in a business POV, he has gained fame and popularity without a 20million dollar deal and giving up assets.
Dolan was at the game, without the boos that we have been getting recently, and you can be sure that Lin, being an Asian American will continue to generate sales from all over the world and continue to develop that fan base. Dolan is a business man first and a fan of basketball 2nd. Lin just makes sense to be resigned whether it will be for the MLE
or if he would sign the Bi Annual Exemption that would give us his bird rights. If he continues to play at this level, its a great plus from a fan's POV.

We have a lot of holes to fill but Lin has a nice ceilings and fills one of our needs. Lin has been "struggling" in the NBA in terms of salary, I don't expect much of a discount because he has to do what is best for his career. The best case scenario is Lin giving taking the Bi Annual Exemption or splitting the MLE in which he would be able to opt out in 2 years. While Nash and Miller are probably the best veterans in the positions, they do not possess that speed/quickness that Lin has with the penetration.
Dragic and Sessions are players that have that speed/quickness but they do not bring that same fan base that Lin would bring. So in the end, Dolan will make the call on this one, he will not let Lin go and will be willing to give him the full MLE vs any realistic FA in the summer when it comes down to it.

It isn't about how much better our team would be if we targeted other FA's and spent the money elsewhere, its about the $ that Lin can generate as an Asian American.
He isn't a bum or D league material that some thought he was here, he has game. Whether he will be starting caliber PG or a 2nd string PG will be determined in the future but
his potential and skills are there.

As for Fields, you can tell he wants to be here and the Knicks will pay him his market value. Because of our limited abilities to acquire talent outside of our exemptions, limited draft picks, and inability to acquire talent with the salary cap, it is no brainer to retain Fields. I was confused that we wouldn't be able to match his salary outside of our MLE, but if we can retain Fields without using it, you can be sure we would be willing to open the bank for him. Lin's continued development, style of play, ability to penetrate, push the tempo, and play the style that fits Fields which would surely help his decision. I am unsure of Walker/Novaks future with the Knicks, while Lin's continued play could help their games vs ISO play of Melo. They show they can be useful in the rotation but need ball movement and the penetration that a player line Lin can provide.
In the end, its a business, at their careers, they will have to take the best route for their future. Its possible we will only be able to retain one of these players and they would cost more than the veterans minimum, especially more than 1 year. It is possible we will lose both while we will look to target veterans in possibly any positions that are willing to come at a slighter discount.

Lin and Iman both play good defense, with the combination of speed and capable of staying in front of their man. Iman now can be the 2nd penetration player, with teams focusing on stopping Lin. I expect Iman to come back a lot better next year, with a taste of the NBA, and with his worth ethic. TD is struggling now, while his skills doesn't include playing PG.
He could be a great asset with many other teams, including Miami and even Clippers. His value is quite low right now but I think its mainly due to that lost of confidence and struggles at PG early. He has to find back his role he once thrived under and I would hold on to him for the sake of him getting that motivation with a trade to haunt us under another team like the Heat. With Lebron, Wade, Chalmers, Cole, and Bosh, his role will be a lot easier and they have the luxury of playing him limited minutes.
He fits with teams that have players that can take the facilitating/decision making, able to penetrate and with 4 shooters to spread the floor.
He is a gym rat as the effort is there, he lacks BB IQ. He just needs slight improvements defensively, mentally, as he actually does have the heart + physical abilities to be a good defender. Unless we can get good value for him and trade him to the West, keeping him on our roster would be the best option, even if we do not play him because he can haunt us if on the right team...

Can you repeat that?

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2/8/2012  2:38 PM
TheGame wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
TheGame wrote:I think you sell Lin on the endorsement opportunities in New York and offer him $2 million for two years with a behind the scene promise to pay substantially more in the third year. It would be great if we could save our MLE for Steve Nash or a SG.

Has anyone ever taken less to play in NY because of endorsement possibilities?

I really don't think it will be that much less. Baron Davis is probably going to start once he gets healthy, and Lin is not going to score 25+ points every game. Since we have the ability to match any other teams offer (other teams are limited to offering MLE), other teams know there is no way they are getting Lin, so he might not get any offers. If that is the case, we can give him a low but fair offer of $2 million with the promise of much more if he performs. As the only chinese-american in the league, he will have a boat load of endorsement opportunities in New York. It would hard to imagine that he could not earn at least $1-$2 million in outside endorsements.

I can't argue with your reasoning on Lin not scoring a lot once Baron is back. Or maybe even sooner as we don't know how long his legs will last. In particular tonight we need to keep an eye on that.

But, I will disagree with Baron starting. I know that sounds a bit crazy but if Lin is playing well, I'm not sure Dolan wants Baron to start, it's a $$$ thing.

Like I said above, the only way we lose Lin is if he wants to leave, unless we go with Nash instead, which I don't want a 2 year rental at the cost of Lin, not if he keeps this play up.

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2/8/2012  2:39 PM
TheGame wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
TheGame wrote:I think you sell Lin on the endorsement opportunities in New York and offer him $2 million for two years with a behind the scene promise to pay substantially more in the third year. It would be great if we could save our MLE for Steve Nash or a SG.

Has anyone ever taken less to play in NY because of endorsement possibilities?

I really don't think it will be that much less. Baron Davis is probably going to start once he gets healthy, and Lin is not going to score 25+ points every game. Since we have the ability to match any other teams offer (other teams are limited to offering MLE), other teams know there is no way they are getting Lin, so he might not get any offers. If that is the case, we can give him a low but fair offer of $2 million with the promise of much more if he performs. As the only chinese-american in the league, he will have a boat load of endorsement opportunities in New York. It would hard to imagine that he could not earn at least $1-$2 million in outside endorsements.

one can only hope this works out for both the Knicks and Lin, and if the Knicks would keep their MLE and use it on another rotation player, that would be heaven.

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