gunsnewing wrote:trade STAT for Elton Brand or DJ Augustine!

2/3 Gallo/Wilson/Shawnee Williams

and

MoSgoV he looks very trim, athletic, PF/C a great moving Darko European/American breed of C/PF. NeNe and MoSGoV are both very athletic, can post up, decent size, and can move well.

and

Felton(last season's Felton, he doesn't look the same this year at Portland) I don't think Portland is a good fit but I think he is also not the same player. He is a strong PG, with quickness not speed, but I think he will go downhill soon. I can see him having a big drop off in performance in another 2-3 years.

The whole ATM aka Broadway BIGSCATS aren't good fits, especially for the coach.
Playing Jared Jeffries consistently is killing us. I dont understand why Dantoni keeps playing JJ and Amare together, its too weak offensively and defensively.
I like what JJ brings but not when are having size issues and are down. He tries to play the PnR and stay out of the paint like TC, but his picks aren't as solid and its making us hard to penetrate the paint even harder. Balkman playing the 4 at times, even last night vs the Bulls, seems to fit better with Amare.
We don't have the players to play like we did last year, with Amare at Center, before or after the trade for Melo.

I do not believe we are just missing one PG, while it would severely help to have one.
With Amare showing that explosiveness back, he is still a horrible 1v1 defender, without great feet to move and a brain to play good defense.
His help D is often late and he doesn't want to risk being "blake griffened on by anyone" aka dunked on and become a espn highlight.
He does not understand the difference between playing good defense and going for a block shot.
There were plenty of times, which he should have been ready to help guard Derrick Rose but he missed his assignment or came too late.
He doesn't like leaving the free throw area either but we are in the NBA not high school basketball. Once he comes up to defend someone in that area, he doesn't know how to use his body, feet, brain, and coordination to limit the moves of our opponents. He allows his defender to shoot over him or blow right by him, he should really work on his coordination and footwork during the off season.

However, these are things we already with limited defensive skills since his days in Phoenix.
ATM takes room away from each other and they just don't fit well. When TC and Amare is outside of the paint, that is only the time in which our guards or anyone has the ability to penetrate/cut consistently. It is tough to choose between Melo or Amare because their values are much lower than they were compared to last year. We understand we need significant players with skills but we are unlikely to acquire the players needed with ATM making up the whole cap by themselves. Melo was a huge mistake and right now and Amare and Melo both are values are both significantly lower than they were last year. At this point, Amare has less value with an uninsured contract compared to Melo. If we decide to trade Amare
we would need a combination of players with

PF/C 2 of these players

Ryan Anderson a legit stretch 4 playing PF/C.
Bass/KG a legit PF/C that can hit the 17footer, POST UP, and while playing solid D to compliment TC.
Camby/Ak47 that can play F/C that would be able to play for TC and lock down the paint with HELP D.
Odom *a younger version, even David Lee* that can play point forward, allowing the guards to be able to cut, get good shots, and have some pressure off them.

G/F 2 of these players

Ray Allen/Pietrus /Dunleavy /Ariza/Wilson Chandler/ Ilyasova/ Grant Hill

that can hit the the 3 consistently, while playing solid defense, and capable of helping the PG out *if we don't have a Point PF, a better G/F in handling the ball*

Parker/ Shannon Brown/CJ Miles/JR Smith/ Fernandez/ Delfino/ Kapono

a player that can be instant offense off the bench and hit the 3 to spread the floor as the first G/F above wouldn't be able to shoot often because the defense *player guarding them* will not cheat often. One of these G/F's will have to be DEADLY shooters

PG/Back up PG

Nash/ Dragic/ Felton/ Andre Miller/ Sessions/
Earl Watson/ Randy Foye
Baron Davis??? Lin????

If we wouldn't be able to get Nash for the MLE, I would prefer Dragic with his size and years of learning off Nash. I might even prefer Dragic over Nash, depending on who is on the team next year. Nash is great and he doesn't seem to have lost much if any but he is still a horrible defender. Dragic is young has good size, athleticism, quickness, and IQ.
I would still like to have Lin if possible for another year so we can gain his bird rights. Without watching him play meaningful minutes its hard to analyze what he can bring.
I am not sure what Watson's deal is but he would be ideal, much better than TD. He is very underrated while being a strong tough PG, looking to distribute and play solid defense.

Without knowing who our head coach will be, its hard to pick our the core of our roster. If we do somehow manage a trade with Orlando, It would be ideal for Phil Jackson or even Brian Shaw to come over to run the triangle. I still have high hopes of Iman being a star - "ALL Star" with a year under his belt and the work ethic to continue to improve and develop

Dwight Howard
Ryan Anderson
Turk

I really don't know if we obtain both Deron and DH, looking at our team I think Dwight Howard realizes he doesn't want to pull a "Melo" traded to team that is gutted.
I think Melo also gave him this advice because they want to ability to maximize their $$$$ with the NBA contract and a market for endorsements with a good chance of being contenders.

Fields looks like he also is greatly improving and we are put in touch spot because he is one of our glue players but is a RFA with the only ability to keep him is with the MLE in the summer. I would be willing to part with Fields and I would hate losing Iman, but realize both might be gone if we really trade with Orlando with TC/Amare.
Iman has a very high ceiling, whether he is going to be a better SG, PG, or combo guard, will be yet to be determined till a couple of years.
He looks much too willing to give the ball to Melo whenever he can and camps outside the 3point line, without cutting when given the opportunity, while the defense is focused
when Melo gets the ball. TC and Amare or our BIGS would have to be outside for him to cut, but he should be used much more in these scenarios because Iman has the
size/strength/athleticism over his man at PG. His defense is great but he needs to continue to develop and will need help to stop players of Rose's caliber.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:trade STAT for Elton Brand or DJ Augustine!

The scary thing is that was what some people were requesting.

A major part of the rationale for it is to get out of Amare's contract. That's worth doing only if the team is going to start over and do serious rebuilding.

Serious rebuilding? You do realize that despite the record, this team is in a serious rebuild minus the years of waiting for the team to develop!!! Contrary to what many doubters believe this team isn't as far off as it looks from the way they've been playing. IMO just 2 key additions to this rotation would push this team up into the upper ranks. We know one is better play at PG (which could come from within) and another legit scorer like JR would make a huge difference.

STAT, Melo, Tyson, Fields are starting to play at their expected levels. Shump is still developing, but he's showing good signs. After that is where it gets dicey. Grunwald has to add to this mix. I just don't get where you think we need to restart, if that is what you're belief is. IMO this team is 2 legit players away.

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I was amazed by how he played. That said, one game does not prove that you're back.

+1

and one game doesn't mean you don't trade Amare and Chandler if Howard is a possibility...

The haters are Amazed like they have never seen it before...Nice..

Maybe we can grab Elton Brand now that Amare had an uptick....

See this is the kind of post that Nixluva, Fish, and others should find inappropriate.

Now he looks to be moving like old times again..

You sound ridiculous making these claims after 1 game.

..Would love to see him be a beast again consistently, how about u?

Of course! I can't imagine anyone here wouldn't want to see that. I'm not gonna insult people by even thinking otherwise.

Actually it's the third game since he looks to be moving well...

15 pts, 4 rbs? You have pretty low standards.

Well yeah...You can look at the statistical output or you could look at how he is playing the game...You get more information from looking at how he plays the game..