nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Interesting that the two teams mentioned are such good defensive teams and their coaches are known as defensive coaches. Maybe the Knicks could bring in a defensive minded coach and implement an uptempo offense. It seems for these teams the defense was already there and the coaches adjusted to suit their personnel. In NY the personnel for the system isn't there and neither is the defense. Things need to change. If the Knicks could model themselves after those two franchises I think they would have a lot of success. They certainly have the personnel to play defense and they might need to start with more of a halfcourt offense. I think the 'total' game philosphy employed by Pop Spoe works for the players they have.

Sometimes I just don't understand you. The Spurs have several title tested players to rely on. Does it matter which comes 1st so long as you eventually become a balanced team on both ends? The Knicks took a Defensive Guard that can guard 1-3 and added Tyson Chandler and this year they are much improved on D. Their D would be even better if not for all the Turnovers and poor possessions that lead to easy baskets. They certainly are trying to change the team so that it can defend at a higher level. The Defense hasn't really been the problem. They get stops, they just can't score. Try keeping up with current events!

Secondly WTF have you been watching that you don't see that this team isn't a running team and plays halfcourt most of the time? The only personnel that is missing is a good PG. Most of the role players we have are good career 3pt shooters! Go freaking look at some facts before you spout nonsense.

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nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Interesting that the two teams mentioned are such good defensive teams and their coaches are known as defensive coaches. Maybe the Knicks could bring in a defensive minded coach and implement an uptempo offense. It seems for these teams the defense was already there and the coaches adjusted to suit their personnel. In NY the personnel for the system isn't there and neither is the defense. Things need to change. If the Knicks could model themselves after those two franchises I think they would have a lot of success. They certainly have the personnel to play defense and they might need to start with more of a halfcourt offense. I think the 'total' game philosphy employed by Pop Spoe works for the players they have.

Sometimes I just don't understand you. The Spurs have several title tested players to rely on. Does it matter which comes 1st so long as you eventually become a balanced team on both ends? The Knicks took a Defensive Guard that can guard 1-3 and added Tyson Chandler and this year they are much improved on D. Their D would be even better if not for all the Turnovers and poor possessions that lead to easy baskets. They certainly are trying to change the team so that it can defend at a higher level. The Defense hasn't really been the problem. They get stops, they just can't score. Try keeping up with current events!

Secondly WTF have you been watching that you don't see that this team isn't a running team and plays halfcourt most of the time? The only personnel that is missing is a good PG. Most of the role players we have are good career 3pt shooters! Go freaking look at some facts before you spout nonsense.

Are you wanting me to come to the conclusion that the Knicks should keep D'Antoni because successful coaches who have gone to the finals and won championships have adjusted to their personnel and are playing an uptempo offense? FYI, I don't see D'Antoni as the godfather of the uptempo offense and I think the two guys you mentioned have a lot more balance in their approach.

The Spurs were a much more balanced team period. When you've had teams with Tim Duncan, The Admiral, Bruce Bowen over the years, you're gonna be a very good defensive team. Mike has had STAT and Nash, Lee and Duhon. Let's at least be honest about the rosters these coaches have had. This is the 1st time he's had a defensive Center of legit caliber and a perimeter defender at the same time. The defense is better. The problem is that the offense now lacks a QB to make it all come together.

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nixluva wrote:

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nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Interesting that the two teams mentioned are such good defensive teams and their coaches are known as defensive coaches. Maybe the Knicks could bring in a defensive minded coach and implement an uptempo offense. It seems for these teams the defense was already there and the coaches adjusted to suit their personnel. In NY the personnel for the system isn't there and neither is the defense. Things need to change. If the Knicks could model themselves after those two franchises I think they would have a lot of success. They certainly have the personnel to play defense and they might need to start with more of a halfcourt offense. I think the 'total' game philosphy employed by Pop Spoe works for the players they have.

Sometimes I just don't understand you. The Spurs have several title tested players to rely on. Does it matter which comes 1st so long as you eventually become a balanced team on both ends? The Knicks took a Defensive Guard that can guard 1-3 and added Tyson Chandler and this year they are much improved on D. Their D would be even better if not for all the Turnovers and poor possessions that lead to easy baskets. They certainly are trying to change the team so that it can defend at a higher level. The Defense hasn't really been the problem. They get stops, they just can't score. Try keeping up with current events!

Secondly WTF have you been watching that you don't see that this team isn't a running team and plays halfcourt most of the time? The only personnel that is missing is a good PG. Most of the role players we have are good career 3pt shooters! Go freaking look at some facts before you spout nonsense.

Are you wanting me to come to the conclusion that the Knicks should keep D'Antoni because successful coaches who have gone to the finals and won championships have adjusted to their personnel and are playing an uptempo offense? FYI, I don't see D'Antoni as the godfather of the uptempo offense and I think the two guys you mentioned have a lot more balance in their approach.

The Spurs were a much more balanced team period. When you've had teams with Tim Duncan, The Admiral, Bruce Bowen over the years, you're gonna be a very good defensive team. Mike has had STAT and Nash, Lee and Duhon. Let's at least be honest about the rosters these coaches have had. This is the 1st time he's had a defensive Center of legit caliber and a perimeter defender at the same time. The defense is better. The problem is that the offense now lacks a QB to make it all come together.

Are you saying D'Antoni is the defensive coach Pop is if he only had the roster?

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nixluva wrote:

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nixluva wrote:

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nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Interesting that the two teams mentioned are such good defensive teams and their coaches are known as defensive coaches. Maybe the Knicks could bring in a defensive minded coach and implement an uptempo offense. It seems for these teams the defense was already there and the coaches adjusted to suit their personnel. In NY the personnel for the system isn't there and neither is the defense. Things need to change. If the Knicks could model themselves after those two franchises I think they would have a lot of success. They certainly have the personnel to play defense and they might need to start with more of a halfcourt offense. I think the 'total' game philosphy employed by Pop Spoe works for the players they have.

Sometimes I just don't understand you. The Spurs have several title tested players to rely on. Does it matter which comes 1st so long as you eventually become a balanced team on both ends? The Knicks took a Defensive Guard that can guard 1-3 and added Tyson Chandler and this year they are much improved on D. Their D would be even better if not for all the Turnovers and poor possessions that lead to easy baskets. They certainly are trying to change the team so that it can defend at a higher level. The Defense hasn't really been the problem. They get stops, they just can't score. Try keeping up with current events!

Secondly WTF have you been watching that you don't see that this team isn't a running team and plays halfcourt most of the time? The only personnel that is missing is a good PG. Most of the role players we have are good career 3pt shooters! Go freaking look at some facts before you spout nonsense.

Are you wanting me to come to the conclusion that the Knicks should keep D'Antoni because successful coaches who have gone to the finals and won championships have adjusted to their personnel and are playing an uptempo offense? FYI, I don't see D'Antoni as the godfather of the uptempo offense and I think the two guys you mentioned have a lot more balance in their approach.

The Spurs were a much more balanced team period. When you've had teams with Tim Duncan, The Admiral, Bruce Bowen over the years, you're gonna be a very good defensive team. Mike has had STAT and Nash, Lee and Duhon. Let's at least be honest about the rosters these coaches have had. This is the 1st time he's had a defensive Center of legit caliber and a perimeter defender at the same time. The defense is better. The problem is that the offense now lacks a QB to make it all come together.

Are you saying D'Antoni is the defensive coach Pop is if he only had the roster?

No coach is a defensive specialist without something to work with. The great defensive teams have defensive talent. If you've got no idea what that is. Just think about the kind of defender that Shump is or a Bruce Bowen. Think about the great defensive centers. You've got to have a couple of guys like that to make the defense work on a high level. This year the defense is much better with Shump and Tyson in the mix and running the same defense. I never said that MDA is the best defensive coach or equal to the best defensive coaches, just that you need talent to win on both sides of the floor.

Your coming off as smug a lot to people who know ball and watch this team. If you don't think Pop and Spolestra don't spend a ton more time working on defense then Mike D'Antoni I disagree with you. Whats your opinion of Thibs? Is it just that he is blessed with defensive players or is it that he never leaves the building because he works so hard on preperation?

I'll make it easier for you, since you're having a hard time with the concept. The Mavs struggled for years to win a title. They've been loaded with talent and of course have a bigtime closer in Dirk. Their biggest problem has been defense. They add Tyson to the lineup and low and behold they're a better defensive team and they win a title. Rick Carlisle wasn't defensively challenged before that, but having a talented Defender to anchor his defense made a difference.

Thibs is a great defensive mind. His team was a bigtime defensive team and they were a top team with title aspirations last year. One thing he didn't have was a lot of offensive talent. They have looked to try and add to that talent in order to give the team a better shot to win a title. Rip Hamilton is a good addition to their offensive talent. If the team is better at scoring the ball with that added talent that's the reason you look to improve. It's not so much that Thibs had to spend countless hours learning more about offense or drilling his team on how to score, tho that can be helpful, but improving the offensive talent he had was needed to improve. All the practice in the world won't make up for the lack of talent on offense or defense.

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nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Interesting that the two teams mentioned are such good defensive teams and their coaches are known as defensive coaches. Maybe the Knicks could bring in a defensive minded coach and implement an uptempo offense. It seems for these teams the defense was already there and the coaches adjusted to suit their personnel. In NY the personnel for the system isn't there and neither is the defense. Things need to change. If the Knicks could model themselves after those two franchises I think they would have a lot of success. They certainly have the personnel to play defense and they might need to start with more of a halfcourt offense. I think the 'total' game philosphy employed by Pop Spoe works for the players they have.

Sometimes I just don't understand you. The Spurs have several title tested players to rely on. Does it matter which comes 1st so long as you eventually become a balanced team on both ends? The Knicks took a Defensive Guard that can guard 1-3 and added Tyson Chandler and this year they are much improved on D. Their D would be even better if not for all the Turnovers and poor possessions that lead to easy baskets. They certainly are trying to change the team so that it can defend at a higher level. The Defense hasn't really been the problem. They get stops, they just can't score. Try keeping up with current events!

Secondly WTF have you been watching that you don't see that this team isn't a running team and plays halfcourt most of the time? The only personnel that is missing is a good PG. Most of the role players we have are good career 3pt shooters! Go freaking look at some facts before you spout nonsense.

Are you wanting me to come to the conclusion that the Knicks should keep D'Antoni because successful coaches who have gone to the finals and won championships have adjusted to their personnel and are playing an uptempo offense? FYI, I don't see D'Antoni as the godfather of the uptempo offense and I think the two guys you mentioned have a lot more balance in their approach.

The Spurs were a much more balanced team period. When you've had teams with Tim Duncan, The Admiral, Bruce Bowen over the years, you're gonna be a very good defensive team. Mike has had STAT and Nash, Lee and Duhon. Let's at least be honest about the rosters these coaches have had. This is the 1st time he's had a defensive Center of legit caliber and a perimeter defender at the same time. The defense is better. The problem is that the offense now lacks a QB to make it all come together.

Are you saying D'Antoni is the defensive coach Pop is if he only had the roster?

No coach is a defensive specialist without something to work with. The great defensive teams have defensive talent. If you've got no idea what that is. Just think about the kind of defender that Shump is or a Bruce Bowen. Think about the great defensive centers. You've got to have a couple of guys like that to make the defense work on a high level. This year the defense is much better with Shump and Tyson in the mix and running the same defense. I never said that MDA is the best defensive coach or equal to the best defensive coaches, just that you need talent to win on both sides of the floor.

Your coming off as smug a lot to people who know ball and watch this team. If you don't think Pop and Spolestra don't spend a ton more time working on defense then Mike D'Antoni I disagree with you. Whats your opinion of Thibs? Is it just that he is blessed with defensive players or is it that he never leaves the building because he works so hard on preperation?

You keep starting off your posts putting words in my mouth. Stop trying to figure out what i'm thinking and just read what I actually post. All I said was that every coach needs talent to succeed. Not only offensive talent, but defensive talent.

I'll make it easier for you, since you're having a hard time with the concept. The Mavs struggled for years to win a title. They've been loaded with talent and of course have a bigtime closer in Dirk. Their biggest problem has been defense. They add Tyson to the lineup and low and behold they're a better defensive team and they win a title. Rick Carlisle wasn't defensively challenged before that, but having a talented Defender to anchor his defense made a difference.

Thibs is a great defensive mind. His team was a bigtime defensive team and they were a top team with title aspirations last year. One thing he didn't have was a lot of offensive talent. They have looked to try and add to that talent in order to give the team a better shot to win a title. Rip Hamilton is a good addition to their offensive talent. If the team is better at scoring the ball with that added talent that's the reason you look to improve. It's not so much that Thibs had to spend countless hours learning more about offense or drilling his team on how to score, tho that can be helpful, but improving the offensive talent he had was needed to improve. All the practice in the world won't make up for the lack of talent on offense or defense.

I don't need you to share knowledge about guys I follow and respect. I need you to explain how you think Mike D'Antoni could ever be held in the same regard as these guys in regards to defensive philosophy no matter who is on his roster. Please stop being condescending and respond to what I am pointing out or move on. I don't think you have a point in regards to your guy. His philosophy is to outscore and out possession his opponent.