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1/29/2012  6:37 PM
martin wrote:
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MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
MSG3 wrote:No. The Knicks don't just look bad. They look like guys who have never played this game. That's on the coach. He has enough to be at least .500. It's not entirely his fault but he has a fair share of the blame.

So he forgot how to coach since last season?

Simplest solution is to find a point guard any way you can make it happen.

If I didn't know better, I would say they intentionally sabotaged his chances this year by yanking the most position from the team.

I don't think he forgot how to coach. I just dont think the players are responding and he is not holding anyone accountable. Its not all on him and I get that he's had roster turnover. But he himself said this is a championship roster. They should at least be respectable and they are far from it. At some point it's the coaches responsibility.

how do you hold someone accountable? Call them out in media or not play them?

I know when the Knicks lost to the Bucks Skiles held Jackson out of the game because of issues. I know Cousins was kept away from the team in Sac because of issues. D'Antoni doesn't have any guys with the maturity or character issues of those guys but he certainly is the guy that sets the line up.
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1/29/2012  6:43 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
MSG3 wrote:No. The Knicks don't just look bad. They look like guys who have never played this game. That's on the coach. He has enough to be at least .500. It's not entirely his fault but he has a fair share of the blame.

So he forgot how to coach since last season?

Simplest solution is to find a point guard any way you can make it happen.

If I didn't know better, I would say they intentionally sabotaged his chances this year by yanking the most position from the team.

I don't think he forgot how to coach. I just dont think the players are responding and he is not holding anyone accountable. Its not all on him and I get that he's had roster turnover. But he himself said this is a championship roster. They should at least be respectable and they are far from it. At some point it's the coaches responsibility.

how do you hold someone accountable? Call them out in media or not play them?

I know when the Knicks lost to the Bucks Skiles held Jackson out of the game because of issues. I know Cousins was kept away from the team in Sac because of issues. D'Antoni doesn't have any guys with the maturity or character issues of those guys but he certainly is the guy that sets the line up.

Bench Amare cause he doesn't box out? Bench TD cause he can't run PnR?

And then what? Bench Shump cause he's starting and then bench him too cause he can't run PnR?

Start Bibby? And perhaps someone else in place of Amare?

Don't play Billy Walker cause he shoots too many 3's? And replace him with whom?

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1/29/2012  6:59 PM
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MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:First winning season since Van Gundy's 48 wins in 2000-2001.

40 different players over 3 years; still makes playoffs last season.

Felton dropping 17/9 on a winning team. Felton 11/6 since leaving.

Season sabotaged by robbing him of the one thing he asks for: a halfway-decent point guard.

You don't understand, it'S the D'Antony's fault if:

- marbury was a headcase
- crawful was shooting us out of games
- spoon was getting rejected all the freaking time
- Qyntel Woods botched that stupid 360 while we were loosing the game by at least 20 points
- KT couldn't jumpo over a pancake
- Mardy Collins was not Allen Iverson
- Anfernee Hardaway had bionic knees but didn't have any oil left to make them work
- Nazr Mohammed was the key to the deal
- Mike Sweetney was overweight
- Vin Baker was a drunk
- Frank Williams was overweight
- shandon anderson could score
- Eisley couldn't pass
- Melo doesn't want to pass
- Curry couldn't keep his weight down
- Dice couldn't just walk
- Othella harrington played like Othella harrington, which was way worse than playing like let's say, Bruno Sundov
- Larry Hughes was disgruntled
- Tim Thomas only played when he wanted to
- Zach Randolph invented new ways to dribble on his feet
- Trevor Ariza was not kept although he was a promising young player
- Stat doesn't understand what boxing out means
- Moochie Norris had a weird haircut
- Chris Duhon couldn't last a full season at full speed while partying every night
- J.R. Giddens had that weird alien look
- Jared Jeffries was the glue and as such never bled when hit on his mouth
- Darko Milicic was out of shape and didn't care cause he was a badass russian hitman wannabe
- Nate Robinson was a human circus
- Jerome James had one good playoff series in his career and got a full MLE for that
- Quentin Richardson was overweight
- Malik Rose was LOL Malik ****ing Rose that couldn't jump, shoot, pass or dribble
- Tracy Mc Grady was not Tracy Mc Grady
- Chris Wilcox was finished
- Renaldo Balkman smoked too much pot
- David Lee was not 7ft tall
- Steve Francis was added to the Knicks
- Channing Frye had only one ball and a small one on top of that
- Jackie Butler never paned out
- DerMarr Johnson had a broken neck when we got him

It is D'Antony'S fault for all of this, and for that, he have to be fired.

This time, it's gonna be different, trust me.

Pretty much accurate. I would add its MDA's fault that:

Dolan overpaid for Melo
Gallo learned what MDA taught him and became a player everyone wants
Balkman can't jump
Jeffries can't figure out that the ball is supposed to go in from the top of the basket downward
Amare couldn't defend his grandmother from dunking on him
Lebron rejected us
Dolan and Walsh overpaid for Amare
Team is chock full of third string scrubs
Anthony Randolph makes George Bush look like a genius
Eddy Curry gaineore weight during the season than he lost in the off season each year


Yep all of these things are absolutely his fault. He will be fired soon.

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1/29/2012  7:05 PM
Per Stephen A. Smith....YES!!!!!!!

When the game ended in Houston on Saturday night, long after it became abundantly clear that the New York Knicks have a problem, Tyson Chandler swore that he "refuses" to lose, demanded that teammates "man up" and generally revealed that things are every bit as bad as they seem.

What he didn't expound upon is what exactly needs to be done to remedy the situation -- which is the best indication that a solution may be beyond anybody's control.

It is all in jeopardy, folks! The Knicks' playoff aspirations. The allure of a dynamic duo or a big three. The future employment of head coach Mike D'Antoni.

I believe that D'Antoni is done. Eventually, but inevitably. The Knicks will either deny this or avoid the questions altogether, but who cares? No one gets to hide from their record.

Let it be said that such proclamations are without provocation from these pages. Despite how horrid the Knicks have looked offensively, how subpar they looked defensively on Friday in surrendering 10 -- count 'em, 10 -- dunks to LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, nobody who works for ESPNNewYork.com is calling for D'Antoni to be axed as if it's all his fault.

The Knicks' head coach never wanted Carmelo Anthony. D'Antoni desperately wanted to hold on to Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari and the relatively young squad he was nurturing last season. But the fact that he wasn't able to have his way doesn't give the Knicks the license to look as moribund, as pathetic, as impotent as they have looked. And failed expectations, along with spiked ticket prices, demand that heads will roll.

Sooner rather than later.

Who can't see the handwriting on the wall with Chandler sounding off the way he has? With Anthony too hurt to play in Miami on Friday night yet able to show up for Charlotte and Cleveland?

Who hasn't noticed Amare Stoudemire perpetually walking around looking like a lost puppy these days? Who thinks GM Glen Grunwald and assistant GM Allan Houston accompanied the team to Miami on Friday for nothing?

No matter what the Knicks are willing to reveal, it's clear that chairman James Dolan is closely eyeing the situation, itching to make a move, and that the clock is ticking ominously on D'Antoni's career in New York. And who can blame Dolan, considering the Knicks' 1-9 slide to a 7-13 record -- identical to that of the New Jersey Nets -- with two stars who look like journeymen

"I refuse -- I refuse -- I refuse to have a losing season," Chandler, frustrated as ever, said to reporters after Saturday night's defeat in Houston. "We have to do what it takes. I don't care what it is. I really don't. I refuse, I refuse to go through a losing season like that."

Sadly, Chandler has limited control in that regard.

It's not his fault the Knicks are shooting 40.5 percent from the field for the season, that they were 5-of-26 from beyond the arc in Houston, that they've shot 30.9 percent on 3s in the past 10 games or that they've registered a 1-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio (188-to-188) during this embarrassing slide.

Nor is it Chandler's fault that two of the three games Anthony missed (Oklahoma City and Miami) came against the Knicks' stiffest competition, or that he's averaged just 19.3 points on 33.6 percent shooting from the field (20.7 percent on 3s) in the past seven games he played.

Chandler is here to defend, rebound and block shots. The offensive responsibilities belong elsewhere. And pondering the reality of the Knicks being held to 90 points or fewer in six of those games, and shooting worse than 46 percent in each of their nine losses in this 10-game stretch, the onus falls primarily on the stars paid to avert such catastrophes. But D'Antoni can't escape, either.

D'Antoni is a coach who's renowned as an offensive guru. He's a coach who appears to have made no adjustments whatsoever. He's the same coach who's been maligned for his rigidity with the style of play he demands, regardless of personnel. Knowing this, one must wonder why D'Antoni didn't insist to former team president Donnie Walsh that the Knicks go after Deron Williams before the Nets acquired him from Utah, instead of pursuing Anthony.

Except that question doesn't really matter anymore.

The team's body language says it doesn't matter. So does that of D'Antoni, who looks completely despondent, out of ideas, seemingly praying that point guard Baron Davis will show up and save him. There's a reason assistant Mike Woodson was forced upon D'Antoni. The Knicks clearly wanted to have a head-coach-in-waiting, evidenced by the contract extension they refused to grant D'Antoni before the season began.

And with Amare guaranteed $83.2 million over the next four years, and Melo inked for $85.7 over the same stretch, the Knicks are virtually stuck with them, at least for now. So they'll need to look beyond the roster to make changes.

"We all know what's going on," one team executive said recently. "Who can't see the handwriting on the wall? When you're paying guys that kind of money, the coach who's not winning games always goes before the players. That's anywhere, but especially in a market like New York. There are no surprises here."

Actually, there is one: No one expected the Knicks to look this awful. Yet here we are.

So it's not a matter of what's next. Just a matter of when.

We all know what time it is.

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1/29/2012  7:11 PM
loweyecue wrote:
raven wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:First winning season since Van Gundy's 48 wins in 2000-2001.

40 different players over 3 years; still makes playoffs last season.

Felton dropping 17/9 on a winning team. Felton 11/6 since leaving.

Season sabotaged by robbing him of the one thing he asks for: a halfway-decent point guard.

You don't understand, it'S the D'Antony's fault if:

- marbury was a headcase
- crawful was shooting us out of games
- spoon was getting rejected all the freaking time
- Qyntel Woods botched that stupid 360 while we were loosing the game by at least 20 points
- KT couldn't jumpo over a pancake
- Mardy Collins was not Allen Iverson
- Anfernee Hardaway had bionic knees but didn't have any oil left to make them work
- Nazr Mohammed was the key to the deal
- Mike Sweetney was overweight
- Vin Baker was a drunk
- Frank Williams was overweight
- shandon anderson could score
- Eisley couldn't pass
- Melo doesn't want to pass
- Curry couldn't keep his weight down
- Dice couldn't just walk
- Othella harrington played like Othella harrington, which was way worse than playing like let's say, Bruno Sundov
- Larry Hughes was disgruntled
- Tim Thomas only played when he wanted to
- Zach Randolph invented new ways to dribble on his feet
- Trevor Ariza was not kept although he was a promising young player
- Stat doesn't understand what boxing out means
- Moochie Norris had a weird haircut
- Chris Duhon couldn't last a full season at full speed while partying every night
- J.R. Giddens had that weird alien look
- Jared Jeffries was the glue and as such never bled when hit on his mouth
- Darko Milicic was out of shape and didn't care cause he was a badass russian hitman wannabe
- Nate Robinson was a human circus
- Jerome James had one good playoff series in his career and got a full MLE for that
- Quentin Richardson was overweight
- Malik Rose was LOL Malik ****ing Rose that couldn't jump, shoot, pass or dribble
- Tracy Mc Grady was not Tracy Mc Grady
- Chris Wilcox was finished
- Renaldo Balkman smoked too much pot
- David Lee was not 7ft tall
- Steve Francis was added to the Knicks
- Channing Frye had only one ball and a small one on top of that
- Jackie Butler never paned out
- DerMarr Johnson had a broken neck when we got him

It is D'Antony'S fault for all of this, and for that, he have to be fired.

This time, it's gonna be different, trust me.

Pretty much accurate. I would add its MDA's fault that:

Dolan overpaid for Melo
Gallo learned what MDA taught him and became a player everyone wants
Balkman can't jump
Jeffries can't figure out that the ball is supposed to go in from the top of the basket downward
Amare couldn't defend his grandmother from dunking on him
Lebron rejected us
Dolan and Walsh overpaid for Amare
Team is chock full of third string scrubs
Anthony Randolph makes George Bush look like a genius
Eddy Curry gaineore weight during the season than he lost in the off season each year


Yep all of these things are absolutely his fault. He will be fired soon.


Costly time outs. Allowing Melo to iso all the time. Melo iso for the last remaining shot not even a remotely intelligent drawn up inbound play which leads to melo being trapped. Doesn't know when to call time outs. Constantly allows the team to shoot 40 3's a night. Doesn't have Melo post up more often when Melo is a great post player. The list goes on and on

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1/29/2012  7:15 PM
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:Per Stephen A. Smith....YES!!!!!!!

When the game ended in Houston on Saturday night, long after it became abundantly clear that the New York Knicks have a problem, Tyson Chandler swore that he "refuses" to lose, demanded that teammates "man up" and generally revealed that things are every bit as bad as they seem.

What he didn't expound upon is what exactly needs to be done to remedy the situation -- which is the best indication that a solution may be beyond anybody's control.

It is all in jeopardy, folks! The Knicks' playoff aspirations. The allure of a dynamic duo or a big three. The future employment of head coach Mike D'Antoni.

I believe that D'Antoni is done. Eventually, but inevitably. The Knicks will either deny this or avoid the questions altogether, but who cares? No one gets to hide from their record.

Let it be said that such proclamations are without provocation from these pages. Despite how horrid the Knicks have looked offensively, how subpar they looked defensively on Friday in surrendering 10 -- count 'em, 10 -- dunks to LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, nobody who works for ESPNNewYork.com is calling for D'Antoni to be axed as if it's all his fault.

The Knicks' head coach never wanted Carmelo Anthony. D'Antoni desperately wanted to hold on to Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari and the relatively young squad he was nurturing last season. But the fact that he wasn't able to have his way doesn't give the Knicks the license to look as moribund, as pathetic, as impotent as they have looked. And failed expectations, along with spiked ticket prices, demand that heads will roll.

Sooner rather than later.

Who can't see the handwriting on the wall with Chandler sounding off the way he has? With Anthony too hurt to play in Miami on Friday night yet able to show up for Charlotte and Cleveland?

Who hasn't noticed Amare Stoudemire perpetually walking around looking like a lost puppy these days? Who thinks GM Glen Grunwald and assistant GM Allan Houston accompanied the team to Miami on Friday for nothing?

No matter what the Knicks are willing to reveal, it's clear that chairman James Dolan is closely eyeing the situation, itching to make a move, and that the clock is ticking ominously on D'Antoni's career in New York. And who can blame Dolan, considering the Knicks' 1-9 slide to a 7-13 record -- identical to that of the New Jersey Nets -- with two stars who look like journeymen

"I refuse -- I refuse -- I refuse to have a losing season," Chandler, frustrated as ever, said to reporters after Saturday night's defeat in Houston. "We have to do what it takes. I don't care what it is. I really don't. I refuse, I refuse to go through a losing season like that."

Sadly, Chandler has limited control in that regard.

It's not his fault the Knicks are shooting 40.5 percent from the field for the season, that they were 5-of-26 from beyond the arc in Houston, that they've shot 30.9 percent on 3s in the past 10 games or that they've registered a 1-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio (188-to-188) during this embarrassing slide.

Nor is it Chandler's fault that two of the three games Anthony missed (Oklahoma City and Miami) came against the Knicks' stiffest competition, or that he's averaged just 19.3 points on 33.6 percent shooting from the field (20.7 percent on 3s) in the past seven games he played.

Chandler is here to defend, rebound and block shots. The offensive responsibilities belong elsewhere. And pondering the reality of the Knicks being held to 90 points or fewer in six of those games, and shooting worse than 46 percent in each of their nine losses in this 10-game stretch, the onus falls primarily on the stars paid to avert such catastrophes. But D'Antoni can't escape, either.

D'Antoni is a coach who's renowned as an offensive guru. He's a coach who appears to have made no adjustments whatsoever. He's the same coach who's been maligned for his rigidity with the style of play he demands, regardless of personnel. Knowing this, one must wonder why D'Antoni didn't insist to former team president Donnie Walsh that the Knicks go after Deron Williams before the Nets acquired him from Utah, instead of pursuing Anthony.

Except that question doesn't really matter anymore.

The team's body language says it doesn't matter. So does that of D'Antoni, who looks completely despondent, out of ideas, seemingly praying that point guard Baron Davis will show up and save him. There's a reason assistant Mike Woodson was forced upon D'Antoni. The Knicks clearly wanted to have a head-coach-in-waiting, evidenced by the contract extension they refused to grant D'Antoni before the season began.

And with Amare guaranteed $83.2 million over the next four years, and Melo inked for $85.7 over the same stretch, the Knicks are virtually stuck with them, at least for now. So they'll need to look beyond the roster to make changes.

"We all know what's going on," one team executive said recently. "Who can't see the handwriting on the wall? When you're paying guys that kind of money, the coach who's not winning games always goes before the players. That's anywhere, but especially in a market like New York. There are no surprises here."

Actually, there is one: No one expected the Knicks to look this awful. Yet here we are.

So it's not a matter of what's next. Just a matter of when.

We all know what time it is.

So I take it you are happy? You want MDA gone with no solution in sight and Woodson coaching the rest of the way?

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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1/29/2012  7:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/29/2012  7:28 PM
Absolutely THRILLED and can't happen soon enough!!!!!!!
Thanks for asking .
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1/29/2012  7:18 PM
Stephen A. doesn't know that the Mike has made adjustments? What do you call slowing the offense down and trying to use Melo as a Point Forward to try and cover for the lack of a PG? In previous seasons he's adjusted to the roster too. How soon we forget that he had to change things when Duhon refused to push the ball. He had to change things when he realized Gallo and Chandler weren't ready to play at a SSOL pace. This is just more nonsense knee jerk reactions to a complex situation. Stephen A. like a lot of media guys LOVES when coaches get fired. They love the drama and the new story lines and really they are ALWAYS the 1st ones to push the idea of a coach being on the brink of being fired.
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1/29/2012  7:30 PM
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:Absolutely thrilled!
Thanks for asking .

Well you will soon get your wish. We will go from 7-13, to 19-47 then Phil Jax will laugh when Dolan calls him. I sure hope the line up a real coach with real credentials but I have been a Knicks fan long enough to Know better.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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1/29/2012  7:32 PM
If you want to give him the year I am fine with that. I see no reason to extend him. The team is not built to play his style. I personally have not been impressed with his entire tenure here. What has he done in NY that makes you think keeping him improves the team for the future?
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1/29/2012  7:35 PM
Respectfully speaking, I have been a fan longer than you, Loweyecue,
and I know that this is what needs to happen right now.
Watch the team respond positively when that lame Pringles fukk is gone.
Time to throw out the playbook!! LOL

I don't want Phil Jax either. Fukk him and his Zen bullshet.

Game picker is the only fun around here right now.
Embrace it!

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1/29/2012  7:59 PM
Mike Dantoni never cared for defense in Phoenix, therefore the Suns lost.

Mike Dantoni never cares for defense in New York, therefore the Knicks lose.

Fire Dantoni.

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1/29/2012  8:05 PM
nixluva wrote:Stephen A. doesn't know that the Mike has made adjustments? What do you call slowing the offense down and trying to use Melo as a Point Forward to try and cover for the lack of a PG? In previous seasons he's adjusted to the roster too. How soon we forget that he had to change things when Duhon refused to push the ball. He had to change things when he realized Gallo and Chandler weren't ready to play at a SSOL pace. This is just more nonsense knee jerk reactions to a complex situation. Stephen A. like a lot of media guys LOVES when coaches get fired. They love the drama and the new story lines and really they are ALWAYS the 1st ones to push the idea of a coach being on the brink of being fired.

Whenever NY wins at some future point or next yr ? Sorry but Knicks will have a newer coach
D'Antoni cannot win in NewYork. Plain and simple it doesn't matter what Stephen A. Smith says.

D'Antoni is a bad coach here in Big Apple NY the "Mecca", face up man up to it. Nuff said.

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1/29/2012  8:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/29/2012  8:11 PM
PG or not, a losing record with a very above average front court is absolutely inexcusable.

It's one thing if our defense is the ONLY aspect of the game that is preventing the Knicks from being respectable.

But now our offensive genius cant get our guys to move the basketball and score.

This man has become absolutely useless as a professional.

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1/29/2012  8:06 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike Dantoni never cared for defense in Phoenix, therefore the Suns lost.

Mike Dantoni never cares for defense in New York, therefore the Knicks lose.

Fire Dantoni.


It's not that he didn't care about D. Who were his Defensive players. Nash... STAT? You can't really have a great defensive team if your 2 best players stink at D. Name the proven defensive Centers D'Antoni had in PHX or NY before Tyson. Now that we have Tyson and Shump, the defense has been better. Not perfect but it's better. #7 in the league in Defensive Efficiency. The D would be even better if we didn't turn it over so much and have so many wasted offensive possessions.
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1/29/2012  8:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/29/2012  8:11 PM
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike Dantoni never cared for defense in Phoenix, therefore the Suns lost.

Mike Dantoni never cares for defense in New York, therefore the Knicks lose.

Fire Dantoni.


It's not that he didn't care about D. Who were his Defensive players. Nash... STAT? You can't really have a great defensive team if your 2 best players stink at D. Name the proven defensive Centers D'Antoni had in PHX or NY before Tyson. Now that we have Tyson and Shump, the defense has been better. Not perfect but it's better. #7 in the league in Defensive Efficiency. The D would be even better if we didn't turn it over so much and have so many wasted offensive possessions.

Why does everyone think he should be spoon fed defensive players as if it would make a difference?

Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan, Greg Popovich wouldn't have cared if they had defensive minded players on their rosters. They would've demanded it on a nightly basis, something Dantoni has never done.

The excuses are getting old now.

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1/29/2012  8:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/29/2012  8:12 PM
D'Antoni unfortunately is like Dead Man Walking, 4 Yr 24million dollar man D'Antoni.

Knicks Mike D. only now needs a Tombstone Pile-driver so he & fans can R.I.P.



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1/29/2012  8:16 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike Dantoni never cared for defense in Phoenix, therefore the Suns lost.

Mike Dantoni never cares for defense in New York, therefore the Knicks lose.

Fire Dantoni.


It's not that he didn't care about D. Who were his Defensive players. Nash... STAT? You can't really have a great defensive team if your 2 best players stink at D. Name the proven defensive Centers D'Antoni had in PHX or NY before Tyson. Now that we have Tyson and Shump, the defense has been better. Not perfect but it's better. #7 in the league in Defensive Efficiency. The D would be even better if we didn't turn it over so much and have so many wasted offensive possessions.

Why does everyone think he should be spoon fed defensive players as if it would make a difference?

Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan, Greg Popovich wouldn't have cared if they had defensive minded players on their rosters. They would've demanded it on a nightly basis, something Dantoni has never done.

The excuses are getting old now.

Pretty much all of those coaches had talented defensive players. IF you have Jordan and Pippen, you're gonna have some defense. If you have Duncan and Bowen it's gonna help you defensively. If you have Ewing and Oak, that's gonna help you defensively. Come on man use some logic.

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1/29/2012  8:26 PM
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
MSG3 wrote:No. The Knicks don't just look bad. They look like guys who have never played this game. That's on the coach. He has enough to be at least .500. It's not entirely his fault but he has a fair share of the blame.

So he forgot how to coach since last season?

Simplest solution is to find a point guard any way you can make it happen.

If I didn't know better, I would say they intentionally sabotaged his chances this year by yanking the most position from the team.

I don't think he forgot how to coach. I just dont think the players are responding and he is not holding anyone accountable. Its not all on him and I get that he's had roster turnover. But he himself said this is a championship roster. They should at least be respectable and they are far from it. At some point it's the coaches responsibility.

how do you hold someone accountable? Call them out in media or not play them?

I know when the Knicks lost to the Bucks Skiles held Jackson out of the game because of issues. I know Cousins was kept away from the team in Sac because of issues. D'Antoni doesn't have any guys with the maturity or character issues of those guys but he certainly is the guy that sets the line up.

Bench Amare cause he doesn't box out? Bench TD cause he can't run PnR?

And then what? Bench Shump cause he's starting and then bench him too cause he can't run PnR?

Start Bibby? And perhaps someone else in place of Amare?

Don't play Billy Walker cause he shoots too many 3's? And replace him with whom?


Don't play Walker, bench or waive Bibby and give the minutes to Lin or sign another guy (mike james, ish smith etc), decrease Shumps minutes and pull him out of games to talk to him when he goes knuckle head. Its not going to take care of everything but it is a start.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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1/29/2012  8:26 PM
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike Dantoni never cared for defense in Phoenix, therefore the Suns lost.

Mike Dantoni never cares for defense in New York, therefore the Knicks lose.

Fire Dantoni.


It's not that he didn't care about D. Who were his Defensive players. Nash... STAT? You can't really have a great defensive team if your 2 best players stink at D. Name the proven defensive Centers D'Antoni had in PHX or NY before Tyson. Now that we have Tyson and Shump, the defense has been better. Not perfect but it's better. #7 in the league in Defensive Efficiency. The D would be even better if we didn't turn it over so much and have so many wasted offensive possessions.

Why does everyone think he should be spoon fed defensive players as if it would make a difference?

Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan, Greg Popovich wouldn't have cared if they had defensive minded players on their rosters. They would've demanded it on a nightly basis, something Dantoni has never done.

The excuses are getting old now.

Pretty much all of those coaches had talented defensive players. IF you have Jordan and Pippen, you're gonna have some defense. If you have Duncan and Bowen it's gonna help you defensively. If you have Ewing and Oak, that's gonna help you defensively. Come on man use some logic.

If you have Tyson Chandler, Amare Stoudemire, and Carmelo Anthony, you shouldn't be this disgraceful.

Come on man, smell the coffee.

Act like a stable franchise for once, extend D'Antoni

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