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skeng
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1/23/2012  7:58 PM
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:
skeng wrote:I hope Lin gets some burn with the better guys. All he needs to do is show stability at the PG spot with good decisions and setting up guys. The spot is up for grabs, really.

Absolutely.
At some point, you've gotta thrown him in the water
and see if he can swim with the big boys.

We really only saw him at garbage time...
where he was obviously trying too hard.

Maybe now after his triple double in the D League
he'll get some meaningful minutes.

Yup. I don't want him to play garbage time. The garbage time doesn't even change the fate of the game, which makes him an unnecessary addition to the team if that's all he'll see.

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1/23/2012  9:20 PM
Fans want to experiment with him during a game and "see whats up"?

He is either ready to play, or ready to sit as back up.

Or

Bibby is ready to leave.

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1/23/2012  9:31 PM
ramtour420 wrote: Why do I have a feeling MDA wount play Lin? I Link and Shump until BD comes back should be nice.

I haven't really seen to much from Lin to make me believe he deserves TD's minutes. Each time, I've seen Lin, he's always jumping around the floor. It could be that he's nervous but to take Tony's minutes, I don't know that he's there. TD is a quality backup rotational player on any team in the NBA. Lin is seen as a bottom of the bench kind of player. I'm saying the knicks aren't the only team that didn't play him. If MDA thought he gave him the best chance to win, then he would play him. When we got rid of Billups, we asked TD to full fill a role that he just wasn't cut out for.

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1/23/2012  10:07 PM
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ramtour420 wrote: Why do I have a feeling MDA wount play Lin? I Link and Shump until BD comes back should be nice.

I haven't really seen to much from Lin to make me believe he deserves TD's minutes. Each time, I've seen Lin, he's always jumping around the floor. It could be that he's nervous but to take Tony's minutes, I don't know that he's there. TD is a quality backup rotational player on any team in the NBA. Lin is seen as a bottom of the bench kind of player. I'm saying the knicks aren't the only team that didn't play him. If MDA thought he gave him the best chance to win, then he would play him. When we got rid of Billups, we asked TD to full fill a role that he just wasn't cut out for.


They fill different roles. TD provides off the bench scoring. Lin provides off the bench orchestration.
TD is better than Lin at what TD does but the opposite is true as well, I think. I'd like to see more Lin to make a definate judgement tho.
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1/23/2012  10:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2012  10:23 PM
ramtour420 wrote:
Michael6835 wrote:
ramtour420 wrote: Why do I have a feeling MDA wount play Lin? I Link and Shump until BD comes back should be nice.

I haven't really seen to much from Lin to make me believe he deserves TD's minutes. Each time, I've seen Lin, he's always jumping around the floor. It could be that he's nervous but to take Tony's minutes, I don't know that he's there. TD is a quality backup rotational player on any team in the NBA. Lin is seen as a bottom of the bench kind of player. I'm saying the knicks aren't the only team that didn't play him. If MDA thought he gave him the best chance to win, then he would play him. When we got rid of Billups, we asked TD to full fill a role that he just wasn't cut out for.


They fill different roles. TD provides off the bench scoring. Lin provides off the bench orchestration.
TD is better than Lin at what TD does but the opposite is true as well, I think. I'd like to see more Lin to make a definate judgement tho.

Toney Douglas does NOT provide what the Knicks need. Off bench scoring? Not really. Shooting an embarrassing 32 per cent, the only thing Douglas is providing is consistent groans from the home crowd. He makes one of four three point shots. Not that good. In addition, Douglas does NOT have the creativity to play at a quick pace. THAT is a huge weight on the offense. He does not fit, plain and simple. At best, Douglas is an emergency guard.

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1/23/2012  11:17 PM
What's hillarious is that the state of the knicks is so horrendously bad that any post that has "Jeremy Lin" in it's title is a slam dunk.

Maybe this undrafted IVY League dude who has never shown anything other than a summer league flash in one game against a number on pick will be our Victor Cruz.

We have officially all gone desperately mad

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1/23/2012  11:37 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:What's hillarious is that the state of the knicks is so horrendously bad that any post that has "Jeremy Lin" in it's title is a slam dunk.

Maybe this undrafted IVY League dude who has never shown anything other than a summer league flash in one game against a number on pick will be our Victor Cruz.

We have officially all gone desperately mad

Scrabomania it is...

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1/23/2012  11:40 PM
arkrud wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:What's hillarious is that the state of the knicks is so horrendously bad that any post that has "Jeremy Lin" in it's title is a slam dunk.

Maybe this undrafted IVY League dude who has never shown anything other than a summer league flash in one game against a number on pick will be our Victor Cruz.

We have officially all gone desperately mad

Scrabomania it is...

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1/24/2012  12:00 PM
My new blog on Jeremy Lin....should pop up on the blog roll soon
http://diehardknicks.blogspot.com/2012/01/year-of-dragon-free-jeremy-lin.html

First off I want to say he is an American. Brother was born and raised here in California. Not for nothing guys, California is the land of the point guards. Its where ttyhe best point guards are coming from in todays game. New York is no longer producing all world point guards anymore. I think that all died with Sebastian Telflair. What has he done lately? With that said, Jeremy Lin is in this generations group of California dishers and swishers. Their recent legacy? Try Jason Kidd, Andre Miller, Deron Williams and our very own Baron Davis. They can ball out there and these are just some of the eguys sthat made it to the NBA. There are countless street legends out there that will forever be on californicationers (©, lol) minds the same way guys like Booger Smith was for Brooklyn when I was coming up. Im from Brooklyn so I saw them all. I know for a fact Jamal Tinsley can ball because he personally bust my tail in a pick up game near Tilden High School. Somewhere out there a guy is saying the same about Lin and wondering why this baller isn't cracking the Knicks rotation. I mean the Knicks need a point guard and at the same time had ttghe audacity to ship Lin off to the d-league. All he did was drop a triple double in his FIRST GAME! It was legit too...28/12/11.

Check his college career...he played for Harvard. That's a joke for anyone who wants to play that ignorant card. Fact of the matter is he dominated the conference and lead Harvard to its best season ever before he went pro. Google that. His NBA career? The NBA slept on him too. He goes out and dominates the summer league. Chris Webber can be heard screaming in the background as Jeremy Lin took it to John Wall. He didn't have just a few nice plays, he came out of that game on par with Wall in every facet of the game. Don't believe me? YouTube it! So why did I he fall into the Knicks hands? Golden State has money and expectations tied up in Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry. The kid with the non guaranteed contract is the one that has to go.

So why...WHY isn't this guy getting burn on the Knicks? I mean they need a point guard and he gets shipped to the d-league. There has to be a reason why they signed him. Was it a publicity thing? I'd like to believe D'antoni and the Knicks are better than that. Lets say they believe in this guy the way I do. Did they think they could just stash Lin in the d-league for the future? Lin clearly stated in his first game the future is now. Do ttyhey want to keep his value down so ttyhey don't have to pay him next year? Aside from those questions...think about it. Do you really believe Jeremy Lin wasn't dominating the likes of Mike Bibby and Toney Douglas everyday in practice? He had to be killing them. Are they trying to hide him, hoping they can keep him from shining? Chinese new year was the other day. Its the year of the Dragon. If that isn't ironic I don't know what is. I'm cheering for this kid to succeed in New York. I want him to stay with the Knicks. Not because we have the cool Asian guy that can ball. I want this kid to succeed because he can and deserves to show that to the NBA audience. The Knicks deserve to have a young talented point guard like this. I don't want him to lose his confidence messing around with NBA politics. This dude needs his shot. Go Knicks!!!

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1/24/2012  12:06 PM
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"I'm cheering for this kid to succeed in New York. I want him to stay with the Knicks. Not because we have the cool Asian guy that can ball. I want this kid to succeed because he can and deserves to show that to the NBA audience. The Knicks deserve to have a young talented point guard like this. I don't want him to lose his confidence messing around with NBA politics. This dude needs his shot."

How can Toney Douglas steer the offense into a ditch on a nightly basis, and Jeremy Lin NOT get an opportunity to drive the car?

Play him. What is there to lose?

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1/24/2012  1:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/24/2012  1:40 PM
EnySpree wrote:My new blog on Jeremy Lin....should pop up on the blog roll soon
http://diehardknicks.blogspot.com/2012/01/year-of-dragon-free-jeremy-lin.html

First off I want to say he is an American. Brother was born and raised here in California. Not for nothing guys, California is the land of the point guards. Its where ttyhe best point guards are coming from in todays game. New York is no longer producing all world point guards anymore. I think that all died with Sebastian Telflair. What has he done lately? With that said, Jeremy Lin is in this generations group of California dishers and swishers. Their recent legacy? Try Jason Kidd, Andre Miller, Deron Williams and our very own Baron Davis. They can ball out there and these are just some of the eguys sthat made it to the NBA. There are countless street legends out there that will forever be on californicationers (©, lol) minds the same way guys like Booger Smith was for Brooklyn when I was coming up. Im from Brooklyn so I saw them all. I know for a fact Jamal Tinsley can ball because he personally bust my tail in a pick up game near Tilden High School. Somewhere out there a guy is saying the same about Lin and wondering why this baller isn't cracking the Knicks rotation. I mean the Knicks need a point guard and at the same time had ttghe audacity to ship Lin off to the d-league. All he did was drop a triple double in his FIRST GAME! It was legit too...28/12/11.

Check his college career...he played for Harvard. That's a joke for anyone who wants to play that ignorant card. Fact of the matter is he dominated the conference and lead Harvard to its best season ever before he went pro. Google that. His NBA career? The NBA slept on him too. He goes out and dominates the summer league. Chris Webber can be heard screaming in the background as Jeremy Lin took it to John Wall. He didn't have just a few nice plays, he came out of that game on par with Wall in every facet of the game. Don't believe me? YouTube it! So why did I he fall into the Knicks hands? Golden State has money and expectations tied up in Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry. The kid with the non guaranteed contract is the one that has to go.

So why...WHY isn't this guy getting burn on the Knicks? I mean they need a point guard and he gets shipped to the d-league. There has to be a reason why they signed him. Was it a publicity thing? I'd like to believe D'antoni and the Knicks are better than that. Lets say they believe in this guy the way I do. Did they think they could just stash Lin in the d-league for the future? Lin clearly stated in his first game the future is now. Do ttyhey want to keep his value down so ttyhey don't have to pay him next year? Aside from those questions...think about it. Do you really believe Jeremy Lin wasn't dominating the likes of Mike Bibby and Toney Douglas everyday in practice? He had to be killing them. Are they trying to hide him, hoping they can keep him from shining? Chinese new year was the other day. Its the year of the Dragon. If that isn't ironic I don't know what is. I'm cheering for this kid to succeed in New York. I want him to stay with the Knicks. Not because we have the cool Asian guy that can ball. I want this kid to succeed because he can and deserves to show that to the NBA audience. The Knicks deserve to have a young talented point guard like this. I don't want him to lose his confidence messing around with NBA politics. This dude needs his shot. Go Knicks!!!

"It's the year of the Dragon. If that isn't ironic I don't know what is". I had to look into this, Jeremy was born the year of the Dragon, and this is his year. MDA better find a way to work him into the rotation.

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1/24/2012  1:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/24/2012  1:52 PM
misterearl wrote:+ 17

"I'm cheering for this kid to succeed in New York. I want him to stay with the Knicks. Not because we have the cool Asian guy that can ball. I want this kid to succeed because he can and deserves to show that to the NBA audience. The Knicks deserve to have a young talented point guard like this. I don't want him to lose his confidence messing around with NBA politics. This dude needs his shot."

How can Toney Douglas steer the offense into a ditch on a nightly basis, and Jeremy Lin NOT get an opportunity to drive the car?

Play him. What is there to lose?

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indeed, cant agree more. We aren't saying he will definitely will produce, but he deserves at least a chance.
Like Darko, he is a player that has shown flashes, of what we need from the PG that TD and Bibby have shown the inability to produce.
Darko came when JJ was our best defender after Wilson Chandler, which plays SG to PF. We clearly needed to get stops, to go with rebounding, shot blocking presence, defense, and a body that had the size to box out any legit center/post player. Even 10-22 minutes a game, would change the game during that time, as we were never able to get stops but could catch on fire offensively, while giving back points easily. Years later, a similar situation with Lin, but in another position, PG.

He is probably the worse shooter of the guards, but he knows how to use penetration, with the combination of quickness, speed, IQ, deceptiveness, with his dribble
to get in the paint and break the defense down. While TD has the speed and quickness, he doesn't have the court vision, IQ, that Lin has.
Part of our defense problems, is also TD defense, his inability to give a hard time to play the shot, go through picks, and most importantly stop the opponents guards from penetrating. If successful, he will also be a fan favorite, and generate easy shots. MSG and the fans, have given up on TD production, finding it unacceptable as a 3rd year guard, and not showing signs of improvement since his rookie year. TD isn't getting the good looks we use to get, because of the lack of penetration, ball movement, and the post presence Wilson Chandler or Gallo can provide. He needs his defender to cheat, to square up for a good shot, but has been very willing
to fire shots, he can barely get off.

Jeremy Lin, cannot be any worse on those areas in the defense and penetration that Bibby and TD are unable to provide.
Even with Baron Davis back, we still need to have 2 players that can penetrate at all times, especially with only one post player in Melo.
Being our only post player, Melo can provide easy shots for himself and open up the game for the team, instead of getting the ball at the 3point line.
Will Melo make the right decisions, we don't know, but he would be able to see where players are on the court better.
Cutters, picks, back door screens, and roles would be clearer, if he is willing to move the ball when double/triple teams come.
We don't have another player to force double/triple teams or even a post player to rely on.
Again, if Lin can penetrate and handle the basketball, he could be a player that will make it easier for everyone.

If Iman can play the SG, which he probably looks more comfortable offensively, with Davis and Lin playing majority of the PG minutes, he will be a great option as well. Derrick Rose's first 2 years, he barely got to the line, because the defense never let him penetrate, ready to help, draw charges, and limit his moves, without shooters to spread the floor with a post presence in Boozer. He always was able to penetrate and finish strong with contact, but with the opponents defense focusing on him, it was just not possible, without spacing the shooters provided and a solid post player. Like Rose's first 2 years, Iman, without a post presence, shooters to spread the floor, and another player that can penetrate to earn him a step. I don't think its that Iman, doesn't have the ability to penetrate, but he is simply missing the players needed to open the game up for him. We wouldn't have to rely on Melo going 1v1, and our players don't know to cut, crash, or even move, fearing it will limit Melo's moves/options.

Not having Jorts, is going to hurt us, as he can play the center. Complimenting with Amare, while stretching the defense, and being able to use his weight and strength vs the post players and bangers. He can play limited minutes at the 4, with Chandler and also at the 5 with JJ, but he will have trouble guarding
PF that can shoot and penetrate, being 260 pounds. Jorts can do a one power jump going up, but has problem moving from east to west. Unlike Ryan Anderson, he cannot penetrate to the rim. With his lack of speed, ability to penetrate at 260pds, allowing the defense the recover even if they fall for his pump fake at the 3point line.
This is why, he receives limited minutes, with Chandler being the superior defender, rebounding, and intimidator. Having a surgery, with a fractured wrist, could affect his shot, and leaves him for over a month without the chance to work on hit shot. I hope he continues to work on his legs, with a bicycle, and works on being a post presence, with the ability to finish with the left hand consistently. It would open up our the teams ability to have at least another post player aside from Melo, which is really hurting us. Problem is, his contract ends in 2 years, if he continues to rapidly improve, we would only have the MLE to retain him.

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1/24/2012  2:23 PM
Lin Love is interesting.

"Can't be worse than......" is no way to run a team in my opinion.

Lin got that cool Asian thing people like. Like some how he gonna just bring that supernatural spirit and be a revelation.

Lin is Lee? Year of the Dragon!

A supernatural Starphuch!

Dig it!

Knicks recall Jordan and Lin from D-L

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