MS wrote:Again why is it unfair to judge this team. We don't have a point guard for a reason. Carmelo wanted his money, which he was getting anyway and he wanted it now.

If you can't understand how ****ed we are at the moment it's because your basing your logic on hope. We have all our money tied up in three players, two don't play defense and need the ball at all times and the third has no offensive game. Chandler is paid elite dollars and is not an elite player. The East Centers (Hawes, Noah, Hibbert,McGee, Bogut, etc). Tyson had a nice run on a very deep team. He wasn't the second best player that was Jason Terry, they were littered with veterans and it was a perfect situation for him. The Knicks are not.

Denver moved Felton for Miller so he is part of the deal. They also had added flexibility to add Rudy to there team. The article is fair and concerning. If we don't get anything from Davis we may miss the playoffs. Then we have to hope we get Raymond Felton, Jameer or Nash in the offseason. We don't have a pick next year either so how are we going to add talent.

Players will go to the Bulls or Heat before they come here. If you're Steve Nash why not go win a title with Lebron. Who is a superstar unlike Melo. Wade goes out he carries his team to victory. We don't have a guy that can do that.

Let me clarify. I wanted to say it was unfair to judge MDA as a coach given the fact that everyone on the roster and in the city knew that they were just biding time to blow up the mess the previous regime and He Who Must Not Be Named created.

Judge Dolan and the "brain trust" completely on the roster they've assembled, the decision to use the amnesty on Chauncey, the decision to meddle with Donnie Walsh when he was in the middle of a super high stakes hand of poker with Denver, etc

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Oh I can't wait for the three hundred new we were better before the trade threads.
The point is that given the unequal progress of the two teams after the trade we were indeed better before it. Having said that I don't believe those results or trends will hold forever. As much as Iiss those guys I think this team when fluid will be significantly better. I don't doubt we will become fluid at some point but where that point is, is anybody's guess.

The pre trade team was good, but it too was only .500, and people who automatically transpose results forget that Denver already had a good deep team to which our guys were added. Their results don't mean we would have been at the same place with the pre-trade team.

I gotta say it is unfair to judge this team given the fact that we're trying to piece together all these new pieces without a real PG on top of that. Denver also had to mesh in a bunch of new pieces but they have Ty Lawson and Andre Miller running the show.

I'm pretty sure MDA is gone if we don't get out of the 1st round this season but if I were Dolan I'd at least give him one more season with a full training camp and BDiddy, Nash, Felton or whatever REAL floor general we sign on board and healthy from the start before we judge him.

Beck at least tries to balance out how crappy the team is playing with lines like

"Prudence dictates that a trade of such magnitude cannot be fully appraised after 40 games, stretched over 11 months. But prudence has never been the New York way'

Yep I agree. I would definitely give him two seasons with the same core roster, something he has not had here. I think all this talk of Amare being in decline is very premature, and he will definitely come on stronger with good PG play.

But looking purely at the results to date it looks pretty dreary. But I am not one for pulling the trigger on trades or firing the coach after every loss. It takes time to build chemistry and it takes 5 times as long to build chemistry without the main orchestrating piece at the helm.

ramtour420 wrote:

RonRon wrote:Billups isn't a true PG, that is why he is playing SG at his age now.

Tyson Chandler anchors our defense, but his inability to post up or hit a free throw distance shot hurts.
Amare not being able to post up is not accpetable.

After all is said, WE DIDNT NEED MELO. ITS NOT A MUST DO, its easier to add a FA in the summer while keeping that core to compete.
But we wanted that big name player and payed greatly for it.
As bad as Amare is playing now, we had the players to even send him to the bench.

Tyson Chandler and Iman added to our Pre Melo Knicks, is exactly what we needed, all you Melo supporters, its not about MELO.
ITS ABOUT WHAT WE GAVE UP and our inability to add talent after that....

Wait, tell me that was a typo or lose all credibility. Tyson is one of our best free throw shooters and one of the best
Centers in the league at the stripe

+1

feel like some folks here make fantasy trades and complain more than watch the team.

RonRon wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

RonRon wrote:Billups isn't a true PG, that is why he is playing SG at his age now.

Tyson Chandler anchors our defense, but his inability to post up or hit a free throw distance shot hurts.
Amare not being able to post up is not accpetable.

After all is said, WE DIDNT NEED MELO. ITS NOT A MUST DO, its easier to add a FA in the summer while keeping that core to compete.
But we wanted that big name player and payed greatly for it.
As bad as Amare is playing now, we had the players to even send him to the bench.

Tyson Chandler and Iman added to our Pre Melo Knicks, is exactly what we needed, all you Melo supporters, its not about MELO.
ITS ABOUT WHAT WE GAVE UP and our inability to add talent after that....

Wait, tell me that was a typo or lose all credibility. Tyson is one of our best free throw shooters and one of the best
Centers in the league at the stripe

I am not blaming Tyson Chandler, I love what he brings.
In fact, I am not blaming any one person, pointing out what we needed, and went a couple steps back with the trade.
There are too many thing wrong with this team, but it all started with, trading for Melo.
We were suppose to add to our core...

Iman would have covered the SG and backup PG spot.
Tyson Chandler would have anchored our defense and give us stops when needed.

Its not the Free Throw, but a free throw distance shot....

I am very sorry. You were referring to a jump shot that is made from a distance that corresponds to the free throw line. My bad. I take my words back. Should have read just like two words more but I didn't.