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If There EVER Was a "Must-Play-Well" Game, Saturday Night Is It
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misterearl
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1/20/2012  12:54 PM
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:Yes, Bonn...and when the entertainment becomes poor, the natives become restless.
Mediocrity doesn't cut it in NY.

In Noo Yawk, entertainment is measured in assists. Nothing else matters. The wins are secondary.

“We have a group of unselfish players,” and adding, “From a selfish mentality to the willingness to grow and learn together, this group is very good.” - Aaron Affalo

New Yorkers do NOT tolerate ugly basketball on West 4th Street and are not going enjoy paying big money to watch ugly basketball at The World's Most Famous Arena.

Hit the open man

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1/20/2012  1:05 PM
the only people who think it's a "must-play-well" game are the ones who are going to crow about the denver trade being a mistake if the knicks lose.

i wonder - are those people prepared for melo to go off for 40 and win the game for the knicks? what will their narrative be then?

i'm not interested in judging this knicks team until baron comes back. not saying he's a savior, but it's pretty ridiculous to condemn the team before its starting point guard plays a game.

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misterearl
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1/20/2012  1:16 PM
The Answer Man Absolutely, Positively Guarantees That No Player Is A Savior

"the only people who think it's a "must-play-well" game are the ones who are going to crow about the denver trade being a mistake if the knicks lose."

Wrong crzymdups - every gane is a "must-play-well" game unless you are a fan of selfish basketball. Denver puts us on front street.

Q. crzymdups - "i wonder - are those people prepared for melo to go off for 40 and win the game for the knicks?"

A. You are totally missing the point. The goal is NOT to have Melo go off for 40. The goal is 30 assists.

Q. crzymdups - what will their narrative be then?

A. If Melo drops 40 in a Knicks loss, his solo act narrative is magnified. If we win, and he drops 40, all is forgiven... for a night, like Boston, which feels like a long time ago.

Q. crzymdups - i'm not interested in judging this knicks team until baron comes back. not saying he's a savior,...

A. Hilarious. If he's not a savior, and you are completely dependant on his return, what does that make him? A Messiah? A prophet? The Messenger of Victory? An indispensable player? Nah. He is just one guy. One guy does not change a culture. They ALL must check their egos at the door, starting with the captains.

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1/20/2012  1:36 PM
Let's be even more clear. Effectively it's:
Gallo/Mosgov/Andre Miller/picks
(Chandler is out at least for half of 2011-2012 season before Denver can think about getting value for him)

for

Melo, Tyson Chandler, Baron Davis, Balkman

Denver had more overall talent before the trade, but looks like Denver is doing EVEN BETTER this year with LESS talent that last year, before and after the trade, particularly if you look at the void created by W. Chandler/Martin/JR Smith not being part of the team - wtf, did these guys conspire together to take money in China?).

Perhaps this speaks to the leadership and intangibles of Ty Lawson, the coach, and perhaps Nene more than anything else.

I think the Knicks technically sport more talent on our roster now vs Denver, but we're underachieving relative to the Nuggets, pointing to our current void at PG. We'll likely see a very different Knicks team once Baron takes the reign, providing the same type of leadership and veteran play we got from Billups.

smackeddog wrote:I didn't like the trade, but it's unevenness is being exagerrated. Essentially it was:

Gallo, Wilson Chandler, Mosgov, Felton, picks

for

Melo, Tyson Chandler and Baron Davis

Whether you'd do it or not, I think it was a fair trade. Still, I hope we win that game just so the media can stop going on and on about it all season.

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1/20/2012  1:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2012  1:40 PM
crzymdups wrote:the only people who think it's a "must-play-well" game are the ones who are going to crow about the denver trade being a mistake if the knicks lose.

i wonder - are those people prepared for melo to go off for 40 and win the game for the knicks? what will their narrative be then?

i'm not interested in judging this knicks team until baron comes back. not saying he's a savior, but it's pretty ridiculous to condemn the team before its starting point guard plays a game.

Basically, its a must play-well or the Anti Melo Coalition will be out in full force ragging on the trade for the umpteenth time. Nevermind that Gallo is the only former Knicks contributing, never mind that the Nuggs were deep way before the trade and are still deep now....With or without Melo, that team would win ball games because of depth, and excellent coaching...

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1/20/2012  1:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2012  1:54 PM
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:the only people who think it's a "must-play-well" game are the ones who are going to crow about the denver trade being a mistake if the knicks lose.

i wonder - are those people prepared for melo to go off for 40 and win the game for the knicks? what will their narrative be then?

i'm not interested in judging this knicks team until baron comes back. not saying he's a savior, but it's pretty ridiculous to condemn the team before its starting point guard plays a game.

Basically, its a must play-well or the Anti Melo Coalition will be out in full force ragging on the trade for the umpteenth time. Nevermind that Gallo is the only former Knicks contributing, never mind that the Nuggs were deep way before the trade and are still deep now....With or without Melo, that team would win ball games because of depth, and excellent coaching...

Mozgov starts.

This is not about being proven "right" of "wrong". NY basketball fans are desperate for a positive sign that a team is ready to emerge from its extreme makeover. Something to feel good about.

Just one thing that relates to a whole. A sign of a team.

You can watch solo acts on a playground.

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1/20/2012  1:53 PM
crzymdups wrote:the only people who think it's a "must-play-well" game are the ones who are going to crow about the denver trade being a mistake if the knicks lose.

i wonder - are those people prepared for melo to go off for 40 and win the game for the knicks? what will their narrative be then?

i'm not interested in judging this knicks team until baron comes back. not saying he's a savior, but it's pretty ridiculous to condemn the team before its starting point guard plays a game.


In that scenario, 28-13 vs. 21-22 would be the narrative.
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1/20/2012  1:59 PM
Saturday Night Live

Don't root for either team. Forget the team colors. Block out the uniform numbers. Forget the trade. Yes, forget the trade. When watching the game Saturday night, watch with the objective eye of an expert - with a critical eye - and follow the movement away from the ball.

Then decide which five you enjoy watching more, and why.

Win or lose.

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1/20/2012  2:12 PM
One More Thing

Q. crzymdups - "i wonder - are those people prepared for melo to go off for 40 and win the game for the knicks?"

A. Carmelo is shooting a career-low .411 from the field. At that rate, in order to score 40 points, allowing for 8-10 points from the free throw line. he would need to hoist somewhere around 35 attempts from the field.

C'mon Man!

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Bonn1997
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1/20/2012  2:40 PM
misterearl wrote:One More Thing

Q. crzymdups - "i wonder - are those people prepared for melo to go off for 40 and win the game for the knicks?"

A. Carmelo is shooting a career-low .411 from the field. At that rate, in order to score 40 points, allowing for 8-10 points from the free throw line. he would need to hoist somewhere around 35 attempts from the field.

C'mon Man!


I have faith in his ability to achieve that
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1/20/2012  3:50 PM
Good Times.

“Do you want to know the truth?” (Gallinari) said in a recent interview in Philadelphia. “The first thing I did last year when my agent told me about the trade to Denver, was to double-check the Nuggets schedule. I wanted to know exactly the date I will be back in Madison Square Garden and finally, Saturday I will face the Knicks."

Could be a fun matchup.

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1/21/2012  8:17 AM
I hope Gallo scores 40!
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1/21/2012  8:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2012  9:15 AM
40 points is not the goal. You play to win the game.

Gallinari won't need to score 40. Denver will bring its standard balanced attack.

Gallo's bright moment will come with the player introductions.

After scored baskets for each player, the biggest challenge will be how the Knicks PA announcer counters his over-amped, "Carrrr-MELO ANN-thoneeeeeeee" with a now understated and muted treatment for, (reluctantly respectful) "Danilo Gallinari".

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misterearl
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1/21/2012  8:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2012  9:15 AM
SNL

Gently bring your brain into the present. Forget the trade. Block out any distractions with salary caps and manufactured rumors about Deron Williams, Shawne Williams, Herb Williams, Mo Williams or Frank Williams. Don't root for either team. Forget the team colors. One team is wearing light and the other is wearing dark. Block out the uniform numbers.

Yes, forget the trade. When watching the game Saturday night, watch with the objective eye of an expert - watch with a critical eye - and follow the movement away from the ball. Do not follow the scoreboard, do not cheer when prompted, ignore the cheerleaders, the silly artificial sound effects and avoid lip-reading for the coaches.

Decide which five you enjoy watching more, and why you feel that way.

You will live longer.

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1/21/2012  10:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2012  12:00 PM
misterearl wrote:
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:the only people who think it's a "must-play-well" game are the ones who are going to crow about the denver trade being a mistake if the knicks lose.

i wonder - are those people prepared for melo to go off for 40 and win the game for the knicks? what will their narrative be then?

i'm not interested in judging this knicks team until baron comes back. not saying he's a savior, but it's pretty ridiculous to condemn the team before its starting point guard plays a game.

Basically, its a must play-well or the Anti Melo Coalition will be out in full force ragging on the trade for the umpteenth time. Nevermind that Gallo is the only former Knicks contributing, never mind that the Nuggs were deep way before the trade and are still deep now....With or without Melo, that team would win ball games because of depth, and excellent coaching...

Mozgov starts.

This is not about being proven "right" of "wrong". NY basketball fans are desperate for a positive sign that a team is ready to emerge from its extreme makeover. Something to feel good about.

Just one thing that relates to a whole. A sign of a team.

You can watch solo acts on a playground.

What are you babbling about? Solo acts as in iso-plays? Iso-plays are a major part of the success of the better teams in the league. Its not that we run iso's, its wehn we run them. If you watched the finals, the Mavs iso'd Dirk to death late in games and came away with the championship. The year we beat the Pacers to advance to the finals in '99, it we iso'd Houston on the wing play after play down the stretch. Kobe does it, Durant, does it, Ewing did it, Lebron does it, Wade does it.....The difference between the aforementioned names and Melo, is the other teams have role players who can space the floor and knock down opne jumpers.

When we iso Melo, it should be down the stretch of a close game. The problem we have, is when Melo does move the ball, Fields, Douglas and Walker are tossing up Bricks....

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1/21/2012  11:18 AM
The Answer Man Mat Ramble But He Never Babbles

Q. Uptown - What are you babbling about?

A. Losing.

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1/21/2012  12:02 PM
misterearl wrote:The Answer Man Mat Ramble But He Never Babbles

Q. Uptown - What are you babbling about?

A. Losing.

How about reading what I wrote and responding accordingly....

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1/21/2012  1:11 PM
Even though im a fan we shouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt anymore. No more "lets see them play together for a while" or "it takes time" stuff. Believe me i want this team to dominate and i thought that they would be better since they now had a center and the two draft icks they got aren't scrubs for the most part. I just cant figure out why even with a very soft schedule they are getting destroyed
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