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Amare, to his teammates: "You gotta start using your brain."
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RonRon
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1/20/2012  3:31 PM
martin wrote:
technomaster wrote:Bleh. D'Antoni needs to stop worrying about the pick & roll with Chandler - and make the combination Carmelo and Amar'e. More of a mismatch for opponents. (Chandler can deal with few touches in the paint - a scorer like Amare needs his easy points near the hoop to set up his outside shot... and his drives)

it has to do with what the defense can do when Chandler is NOT part of the PnR. If he is not, where does he play? If Chandler floats to the 3 point line, his defender, another C, would just drop to near the rim, clogging the middle and negating some of the effectiveness of PnR.

Yep, Chandler makes much more sense if all 3 players are in together. If not the Center, will be camping in the paint to help all penetration, thus making the PnR
ineffective. A PF can also defend Melo, on the switch much better than a Center can. While a SF has no chance guarding Chandler once he rolls.
Amare was effective last year, because the center was guarding him, which he can use the mismatch on.
Also we would could have at least 3 to possible 4 shooters on the floor to space the floor with, forcing a 1v1 mismatch or a wide open shot.

Its all a triangle right now, its not 1 player, and the figure pointing is all going to cause even more trust, confidence, and bad chemistry issues.

Tyson Chandler and Iman greatly improves our defense.
Tyson Chandler inability to post up, shoot, and our lack of shooters to spread the floor takes away from Amare's game.

Amare's inability to defend is taking away Tyson Chandler's ability to constantly worry about shot blocking, leaving his man for help, and rebounding position.
Amare's inability to post up his man, fails to get good shots going inside out for the rest of our players.

Melo constantly trying to go 1v1, instead of earning a step for the team, not allowing the ball the move, and willingness to take bad shots is hurting our chemistry
and playing right in to our opponents defense.
Melos ability to go 1v1 is taking away Dantoni's philosophy to take good shots and ball movement.
Melo constantly having to play come out to play point/forward is taking his ability to post up consistently.
Melo not having the multiple players that can spread the floor, is causing the defense to be able to pack it in the paint.

The rest of the team

unable to create their own shot, not being to spread the floor, and not cutting and moving the ball constantly takes away from Melo's ability to go penetrate, drawing extra defenders in the paint.

Iman needs players to move and not be stationary, its not effective, because we currently aren't hitting the 3's but continue to stand there.
If you watch them play, players without the ball, stay stationary, while they can't create their own shot, the defenders stay in a distance where they can possibly cheat and come back just in time to get a hand in their face to not shoot.
Iman should be our 6th man to come in to give us the scoring needed off the bench but he is needed in the starting lineup to defend the PG cause Bibby/TD
invite a penetration that breaks down our defense and puts Tyson Chandler in a bad situation to pick his poison.

The Bench

Outside of Jorts and JJ, no one is producing for us and neither is a scorer but points are needed while our starters rest.
We constantly fall back and can't score any points, leaving Dantoni to limit the rest of the starters, and the fatigue is now kicking in.

For the players that do not play, they are 1 dimensional players that would either give us scoring or defense.
With Tyson Chandler and JJ not being scoring threats, its kind of hard to put another player that doesn't score in.
With exception to Lin, we don't know what he can do, but he is a player that seems like he can penetrate with speed/quickness, and break the defense down.
But we will not know, as Dantoni just doesn't trust certain players but prays TD, Bibby, Fields, and Jorts will be able to hit 3's.

It comes down to, our players and lineups having holes, and our players cancel out the skills of another player.
Simply put, we they do not mesh. We need more talent but are unable to acquire the talent needed, unless we pray someone comes to play for us
at a discount. If we continue to lose, we will need a scape goat, it will most likely be Dantoni, because we can't afford to make trades because our players
wouldn't get good value while playing bad. So probably just fire him, while praying that he is the reason why we sucked. His inability to maximize the strength and hide the weakness of the teams potential with the roster. Hoping that will bring a sudden surge of desperation and confidence back to perform...

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1/20/2012  3:54 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Potshots aside, don't you think he was just implying that he should get the ball more and its stupid to basically be an all Melo offense? Kinda like, you know, rethink the strategy here, boys.

He's getting 16 shots a game. How many more does he need?

Not just more shots but in a better position also. Amare avg'd 19 shots per last year. This year his minutes (by 3), shots (by 3), free throws per game (by 1.5) all down.

Look here (http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Amare%20Stoudemire) -forgot how to tag- 1/3 of Amare's shots are from 16-23 feet. he gets the same amount of shots at the rim then he does from that distance. No way that should happen.

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1/20/2012  5:14 PM
Andrew wrote:Amare wasn't calling anyone out. We don't even get to hear the question asked of him. If the question was "How does the team get better offensively with little to no practice time?" then his answer is quite different than what you may initially think.

+1 for voice of reason.

The entire quote is, "You've got to become students, you've got to start using your brain and becoming more... getting your IQ involved and learning right now by watching film and studying. And so that's what we've been doing today and that's what we've been doing in the past few practices. It's just a matter of now showing it on the basketball court."

I rag on Amare when he's wrong but here he's obviously talking about the entire team, yes him included, trying to do better. Not sure how anyone can find fault here. Be fair guys jeesh.

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1/20/2012  5:25 PM


Amare should just STFU. Dude sounds like Crawford talking foolishness.

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1/20/2012  5:39 PM
I think that now would be a good time to define and assign roles for each player. The old "If-then-else" whereif such a situation come else, we go down the checklist of scenarios. Everyone shouldn't have the green light to launch up a 3 with 21 seconds on the shot clock. A little more order would prehaps create the ball movement that we crave. Amar'e would do well to keep those things in mind before he charges from the top of the key for the charge.
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1/20/2012  6:59 PM
wish amar'e would tell his coach the same thing.
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1/20/2012  7:12 PM
subzero0 wrote:
Andrew wrote:Amare wasn't calling anyone out. We don't even get to hear the question asked of him. If the question was "How does the team get better offensively with little to no practice time?" then his answer is quite different than what you may initially think.

+1 for voice of reason.

The entire quote is, "You've got to become students, you've got to start using your brain and becoming more... getting your IQ involved and learning right now by watching film and studying. And so that's what we've been doing today and that's what we've been doing in the past few practices. It's just a matter of now showing it on the basketball court."

I rag on Amare when he's wrong but here he's obviously talking about the entire team, yes him included, trying to do better. Not sure how anyone can find fault here. Be fair guys jeesh.

Good point, he was including himself.

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1/21/2012  2:30 PM
amare needs to be concerned about himself. cant believe the amount of automatic shots he has missed. and he thinks he should be on the olympic team? right now he is playing like the snub was more than legitimate. i dont even know if he is the top 5 pf in the league now! far cry from last year this time when he was making a run for mvp!
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1/21/2012  3:14 PM
I really think being at home and having all the extra practices has compounded the problem. They just need to go on the road and just play basketball. It's too late to try to tweak the system on the fly. If they miss the playoffs or get swept in the 1st round again. Then they have a full training camp to instill a whole new system that works.
Amare, to his teammates: "You gotta start using your brain."

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