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RonRon
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1/18/2012  11:32 PM
its funny how no one points out we have the worst bench in the whole NBA.
Outside of Jorts, a defensive JJ, we are not expected to get anything out of Bibby or TD on a consistent basis...
The 2 games we won Bibby hit like 4 3pointers which is not expected.
We don't even have the luxury to play him.
He can not handle the ball and is a small PG that can not defend, can not penetrate, and can not create period.
Our team just doesn't mesh.

We need 3-4 quality players added to this core.
We need a 2nd unit that can produce on a nightly basis.
The 2.5m exemption could get us 1, Baron could get us another, we still need 1-2 more after that.
Our bench is made up of players that can do 1 thing and not another.. one dimensional players.
So essentially its pick your poison....

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1/18/2012  11:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2012  12:25 AM
I would do a Kris Humphries and Okur at this point, just admit this big 3 is a failure...
both are expirings...
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1/18/2012  11:38 PM
RonRon wrote:I would do a Kris Humphries and Okur at this point, just admit this big 3 is a failure...

We need something changed but if the big 3 was brought in by our faithful owner then good luck...

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1/19/2012  12:29 AM
I would love us to get Monte Ellis. Add some speed,shooting and penetration. He is a very good passer. We go as far as that team would take us, sign a PG with the MLE or a PF. use the mini MLE on a PF or vice versa.
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1/19/2012  3:51 AM
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franco12 wrote:
OasisBU wrote:If the players are switching too much on defense wouldn't that be a Woodson issue?

The buck stops with MDA but there is a defensive coach who doesn't seem to be helping things.

evidently, they're not supposed to be switching on defense.

But something is not working with whatever combination the staff is tryingl

Who knows, maybe its evident to the players that Woodson is the de facto new head coach, and they are resigned to it - hence the flat play.

I agree thats why I think the whole hiring "defensive coordinator" Mike Woodson is a joke. It was clearly going to cause tension

It threw the marbles under D'Antoni's feet. He is a lame duck. Nice move Dolan.

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1/19/2012  4:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2012  4:13 AM
The more I think about it, the more I realize what the problem is. And this is the only problem this year: Dolan's hiring of Mike Woodson immediately threw the marbles under D'Antoni's feet and the destroyed his authority in the players' eyeballs.

Dolan made D'Antoni a lame duck and the uninspired play we are seeing now is a result of Dolan intentionally lame ducking D'Antoni, or you could say lame ****ing.

Not cool by the owner.

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1/19/2012  6:09 AM
It's easier to fire the coach than the owner
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1/19/2012  7:12 AM
Chants for Woodson last nite?

He gonna get the offense going?

He gonna execute? team could not hit a thing in the 4th quarter.

Jorts can rain three but not two under the basket.

Fields had a good game until the 4th. Amare and Melo stunk it up.

Shump was clutch. kept us in the game.

Fire MDA? Only to satisfy the bloodlust of the fans.

Woodson? Van Gundy? Charlie Ward?

MDA system too complicated? Too simple?

Build a team around a "star" because your afraid the Nets might get him.

Brilliant reason!

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1/19/2012  8:04 AM
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1/19/2012  8:12 AM
the reason you fire the coach is you think he no longer has answers.

I think MDA struggles to find the right mix as far as playing guys.

Jorts should be playing more. MDA did over due it the couple games - where he came out and shot lights out, then followed that with a flat performance.

And something needs to happen to get Melo back where he started the season, which was setting guys up and initiating the offense.

Melo might not be the perfect Point Forward, but I do think MDA was smart for trying. The stats show we have moved away from that. Coach needs to have his finger on the pulse, and know this.

And the difference between our coach and someone like Popovich- Pop's benched his starters when they shoot crap like ours did last night.

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1/19/2012  8:17 AM
franco12 wrote:the reason you fire the coach is you think he no longer has answers.

I think MDA struggles to find the right mix as far as playing guys.

Jorts should be playing more. MDA did over due it the couple games - where he came out and shot lights out, then followed that with a flat performance.

And something needs to happen to get Melo back where he started the season, which was setting guys up and initiating the offense.

Melo might not be the perfect Point Forward, but I do think MDA was smart for trying. The stats show we have moved away from that. Coach needs to have his finger on the pulse, and know this.

And the difference between our coach and someone like Popovich- Pop's benched his starters when they shoot crap like ours did last night.



Jorts can't play much more, he is still a rookie and actually goes hard but is smart to ask out when he does. We are getting much more from him than expected. Inside his putbacks are kind of weak.

MDA is not Pop. Spurs second unit is pretty good. They have been contenders for a reason. They were really good last season if you recall. They are very deep.

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1/19/2012  8:27 AM
Nalod wrote:
franco12 wrote:the reason you fire the coach is you think he no longer has answers.

I think MDA struggles to find the right mix as far as playing guys.

Jorts should be playing more. MDA did over due it the couple games - where he came out and shot lights out, then followed that with a flat performance.

And something needs to happen to get Melo back where he started the season, which was setting guys up and initiating the offense.

Melo might not be the perfect Point Forward, but I do think MDA was smart for trying. The stats show we have moved away from that. Coach needs to have his finger on the pulse, and know this.

And the difference between our coach and someone like Popovich- Pop's benched his starters when they shoot crap like ours did last night.



Jorts can't play much more, he is still a rookie and actually goes hard but is smart to ask out when he does. We are getting much more from him than expected. Inside his putbacks are kind of weak.

MDA is not Pop. Spurs second unit is pretty good. They have been contenders for a reason. They were really good last season if you recall. They are very deep.

Pops doesn't go with his bench because he thinks they can win - its because they're giving effort, and he thinks his starters aren't and he needs to send a message.

It has nothing to do with the quality of the bench.

And as far as Jorts - he should be getting 20 minutes every game - when he gets that much time, he does produce - not star numbers, but decent 8 pts & boards type numbers.

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1/19/2012  3:15 PM
i don't know why, but to me, it's obvious that this team is not executing the way D'Antoni wants them to. to others, it must be D'Antoni's gameplan for the offense to grind to a screeching halt as the game progresses and gets tighter.

i dug up an old thread from last year where this team was having the exact same problems. instead of Melo and Amare not meshing, it was Amare and Felton.

it's gonna come, people. Melo has to break out of his bad habits of being a ball stopper. i bet that if there were a statistic for how many of a player's FG's were unassisted, Melo would lead the league. he just doesn't get his points in the flow.

i've played with guys like that. it's usually the most skilled guy who, for whatever reason, call it ego or pride, can't bring himself to let others help him score. it's like every score is a message to the world: "i can do this on my own."

the beauty of this rough start is: Melo and Amare can both see that if they don't let the offense help them score points, they won't win. what we are seeing now is not what the coach wants. it's what the players are doing habitually.

i expect these guys to eventually succumb to the offense. put their pride aside. and accept that the offense can help you score.

it will be a brilliant revelation. and when it happens, we will commit less turnovers, and hit more shots. and in turn, our defense will improve even more because there will be less transition baskets against us.

if this team is still playing like this halfway through the season, then yeah, maybe we have a major problem.

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1/19/2012  3:30 PM
Nalod wrote:Chants for Woodson last nite?

He gonna get the offense going?

He gonna execute? team could not hit a thing in the 4th quarter.

Jorts can rain three but not two under the basket.

Fields had a good game until the 4th. Amare and Melo stunk it up.

Shump was clutch. kept us in the game.

Fire MDA? Only to satisfy the bloodlust of the fans.

Woodson? Van Gundy? Charlie Ward?

MDA system too complicated? Too simple?

Build a team around a "star" because your afraid the Nets might get him.

Brilliant reason!

Fans chanting for Woodson should punch themselves in the face.

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1/19/2012  3:40 PM
It's ridiculous how anti MDA you guys are. Ever since he came, it's been constant criticism. How can the league respect this guy, but us knick fans can't?
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1/19/2012  3:41 PM
skeng wrote:It's ridiculous how anti MDA you guys are. Ever since he came, it's been constant criticism. How can the league respect this guy, but us knick fans can't?

There aren't many in the league who respect him.

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1/19/2012  3:45 PM
and so now Melo is going to miss practice. sucks. with the shortened season, there's not many practices to go around.
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1/19/2012  3:49 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
skeng wrote:It's ridiculous how anti MDA you guys are. Ever since he came, it's been constant criticism. How can the league respect this guy, but us knick fans can't?

There aren't many in the league who respect him.


Lol?

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1/19/2012  3:52 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
skeng wrote:It's ridiculous how anti MDA you guys are. Ever since he came, it's been constant criticism. How can the league respect this guy, but us knick fans can't?

There aren't many in the league who respect him.


Lol?

So it's the minority of the basketball minds in USA that respect this guy, yet he is chosen to be part of your national team coaching staff?

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1/19/2012  3:56 PM
skeng wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
skeng wrote:It's ridiculous how anti MDA you guys are. Ever since he came, it's been constant criticism. How can the league respect this guy, but us knick fans can't?

There aren't many in the league who respect him.


Lol?

So it's the minority of the basketball minds in USA that respect this guy, yet he is chosen to be part of your national team coaching staff?

He is an assistant coach.

I guess Amare not being on the USA team means he sucks, right? Since this is your logic. If you disagree then your logic doesn't work here.

Who respects Mike D'Antoni? All I hear is "offensive genius" and that's about it. Nobody says this guy can win a championship with his style and nobody thinks it either.

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