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MarburyAnd1Crossover
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1/18/2012  4:13 PM
MS wrote:Superstar: LeBron, Howard, Kobe, Wade, Rose
Almost: DWill, Paul, Dirk, Durant
Allstar: Melo, Amare, Bosh, Westbrook, Robson, etc

Chandler isn't an All Star.

Howard, Noah, Horford are the best centers in the east.

Since when is 12pts 9rbs 1.5blks an allstar??? Miami couldn't figure out a zone let's not.give him all the credit

There was a player in the late 90s, I think, that dropped something like 10/10 and made the All-Star team.

I'm digging around to find this player.

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1/18/2012  4:13 PM
it took awhile for us to get rid of the negative players that Isiah targeted.
We finally had nice core of young players, that were unselfish, played the "right" way, good ball movement, good spacing, and players that were skilled that complimented each other to play TEAM BALL. A culture that wasn't about players generating stats but emphasis on team work and wins.

With Felton's ability to penetrate, Wilson and Gallo capable of playing the SG, SF, and PF, it caused a lot of mismatches, sometimes for us, and against us.
Both players laced the speed/quickness to play the SG consistently and the size to play the PF, but it also caused a mismatch on the other.
While they might not be the ideal starting lineups, they were good players that were young and still developing, they were players that gave us the luxury to switch tempos and caused mismatches, especially with the 2nd units. We were all on same page, with the right core of players that would allow us to be athletic/skilled for the next decade.
Their play was infectious, helping role players like Shawne Williams, MozGoV, Fields and TD a chance to get in rhythm and a role/identity.
Adding Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert, and Jorts to that core, would have made us one of the deepest teams in the league, probably the deepest.
While neither of these players are better than Melo, their play together, team effort, and spacing, improved the team as a whole.

Basketball is a team sport, not a 1v1 game, that Isiah targeted during his tenure. We had chemistry, youth, talent, and unselfish basketball traded for the exact opposite.
As great as Melo is, he was not worth what we gave up. We aren't capable of moving the basketball, playing as a team, good spacing, and good ball movement
because we are missing the skills and chemistry we once had. That core played the right way and allowed new players acquired to continue to play that same way
with team effort.

Iman Shumpert is inspired by the talent and how the players play on the court. Like during the Eddy Curry, Starbury, and Crawford days, it took awhile
before David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Gallo, and Felton were able to change that culture. As talented as AR is, he didn't play much mainly because his style was not on
the same effort and page of the team. Having the right players that Donnie Walsh targeted, prioritizing the hard working blue collar players over physical talent.
This system and identity allows rookies or younger player to develop the right way and infect one another.
It shows, whether it is on the court, in practice, or in the gym.

We had the players that gave us depth, skills, and culture that were unselfish skilled players. They enabled us to play uptempo basketball in Dantoni's system.
Our players right now are lacking chemistry, skill, depth, ball movement, no identity, and no ball movement because we are lacking the physical skills and mentality needed.
We resort to 1v1 basketball now and even when we try to move the basketball, we are clearly missing the skills needed to take good shots.
I believe Tyson Chandler would actually prefer to play with this style of basketball. He was very close to signing with GS and our core is much more interesting.
We had the cap to resign Wilson Chandler and sign Tyson Chandler if we got rid of Turiaf's contract. Tyson Chandler wanted to go to a team which lacked a starting Center
and prove to himself with the league his importance in defense. That was the exact position we needed and would have allowed us to compete with any contending team.
Wilson Chandler could be resigned for about 7m or he could have took a 1 year deal, where we would still have his bird rights. And we would still be able to go over the cap to resign him this summer. I truly believe he really wanted to be here and would have preferred to stay...


Felton
Wilson Chandler
Gallo
Amare
Tyson Chandler

Iman
Fields
Shawne Williams
Jorts
MozGoV

TD
JJ
Walker
AR

Donnie Walsh targeted players that are unselfish and his plan was to ADD to the core. With these players, we would be a realistic option for Cp3, Deron, or Dwight Howard.
Which are players that improve TEAM play. Even if Amare is having a bad game/year, we have the luxury of sitting him, same for any player or position. Our defense would be 3x better with this depth. The reason why Amare is also struggling is because we don't have players that can penetrate, space the floor, and allow good ball movement.
We are capable of having 4 shooters, surrounding Amare, and they are not just players that can shoot, they can skilled in other areas.
Gallo and Wilson Chandler are both players that can initiate the offense by posting up.
Our chemistry, ball movement, and offense would be 10x better than it is right now. We don't NEED to trade for Cp3, Deron, or Dwight Howard.
We would be an ideal partner for the GM's that want to remain competitive, young, and rebuild though.
For all the people that believe Melo is better than all the players that we gave up, he is better than any 1 of them.
However, he is not better than the production of all of them.


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1/18/2012  4:41 PM
MS wrote:Superstar: LeBron, Howard, Kobe, Wade, Rose
Almost: DWill, Paul, Dirk, Durant
Allstar: Melo, Amare, Bosh, Westbrook, Robson, etc

Chandler isn't an All Star.

Howard, Noah, Horford are the best centers in the east.

Since when is 12pts 9rbs 1.5blks an allstar??? Miami couldn't figure out a zone let's not.give him all the credit

I would have to nudge Melo up into the "Almost" category.

while Amare is lingering in the very shallow end of the All-Star pool...

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1/18/2012  4:50 PM

For those pro MeloDrama trade then its simple to just enjoy this player for the points he puts up.

Seriously, the trade was not about "winning".

Stars attract, and he is a very very good player.

Chander is not an allstar, but an olympian cuz of what he brings to the game.

Stars can't win championships alone!

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1/18/2012  5:04 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:LOL

This Denver team is about have major cash tied up in rotational players. Stars win Championships. Have fun competing for the lower 4 playoff spots in the West.

[Sarcasm]
Utah is 9-4. They won that Deron Williams trade. Better than the Lakers for 2nd in the west.
[/Sarcasm]


The problem is that we too have zero stars, or at least zero stars who are worth having.

Aw jeez. Here we go again. Melo is absolutely a star and is probably Playing better than he did in Denver. Letting your frustration with the Knicks over the last ten years overshadow this guy who is doing it on BOTH sides of the ball and trying to carry the team is not fair. He is trying to do what is being asked of him, so why keep dissing on the guy? Is his hard work worth any less because he is a star? Melo is not AI, not by a long shot.

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1/18/2012  5:04 PM
BTW - I miss Gallo too
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1/18/2012  5:09 PM
loweyecue wrote:BTW - I miss Gallo too

same.

Denver is a fun team to watch. they play a very unselfish brand of ball. they are well spaced. they move the ball and move themselves.

Gallo has looked much more explosive than before. he's back to the days of his youtube highlight videos. and his attitude was always very team oriented to the point that guys, who resented the way the marketing team put Gallo on a pedestal, still respected him as player and as a man. says a lot.

i think it's fair to say Gallo is going to be a great player in the league for a long time. i look forward to following him from afar.

that being said, if the Knicks get this together, they will make everyone forget about the trade debate.

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1/18/2012  5:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2012  5:12 PM
loweyecue wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:LOL

This Denver team is about have major cash tied up in rotational players. Stars win Championships. Have fun competing for the lower 4 playoff spots in the West.

[Sarcasm]
Utah is 9-4. They won that Deron Williams trade. Better than the Lakers for 2nd in the west.
[/Sarcasm]


The problem is that we too have zero stars, or at least zero stars who are worth having.

Aw jeez. Here we go again. Melo is absolutely a star and is probably Playing better than he did in Denver. Letting your frustration with the Knicks over the last ten years overshadow this guy who is doing it on BOTH sides of the ball and trying to carry the team is not fair. He is trying to do what is being asked of him, so why keep dissing on the guy? Is his hard work worth any less because he is a star? Melo is not AI, not by a long shot.


When I say zero stars, I'm looking at the players over the course of their careers. Melo has played too few games as a Knick for them to be given a lot of weight. I'd have at best a mixed evaluation of him this year anyway, though, and he still doesn't look to me like he'd be the primary scoring option on a contending team.
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1/18/2012  5:17 PM
MS wrote:At least the Knicks did their due dilligence.

And don't worry once the Nets panick we can trade Carmelo for DWill and sign Chandler with the midelevel and have a balanced unselfish team again. Everyone wins.


Amare is the weakest link. Can't rebound, worst starting PF in the NBA(he even sucks on team D/help D). Needs a point guard to get his shot.

Melo/Dwill passing and scoring and defense and duration. Dwill/Stat pick and roll but defensively worst and passing is worst. Amare's One injury away from retirement... Did I mention he is the worst starting defender in the NBA? I've seen guys who play pick up games put more effort on D.

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1/18/2012  5:20 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:LOL

This Denver team is about have major cash tied up in rotational players. Stars win Championships. Have fun competing for the lower 4 playoff spots in the West.

[Sarcasm]
Utah is 9-4. They won that Deron Williams trade. Better than the Lakers for 2nd in the west.
[/Sarcasm]


The problem is that we too have zero stars, or at least zero stars who are worth having.

Aw jeez. Here we go again. Melo is absolutely a star and is probably Playing better than he did in Denver. Letting your frustration with the Knicks over the last ten years overshadow this guy who is doing it on BOTH sides of the ball and trying to carry the team is not fair. He is trying to do what is being asked of him, so why keep dissing on the guy? Is his hard work worth any less because he is a star? Melo is not AI, not by a long shot.


When I say zero stars, I'm looking at the players over the course of their careers. Melo has played too few games as a Knick for them to be given a lot of weight. I'd have at best a mixed evaluation of him this year anyway, though, and he still doesn't look to me like he'd be the primary scoring option on a contending team.

Where was Melo before they drafted him? Where are they after him? Did his trade put them into position to get 3/4 of our starters back? If Melo wasn't dealt and walked away during the summer where would the Nuggets be? Lottery team? They wouldn't have Gallo and wouldn't have been able to deal Felton.

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1/18/2012  5:22 PM
Zach Randolph puts up 20 and 10 in his sleep regardless of who the point guard is.

Please lets not make silly excuses that Amare needs a PG to put up stats.

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1/18/2012  5:24 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Zach Randolph puts up 20 and 10 in his sleep regardless of who the point guard is.

Please lets not make silly excuses that Amare needs a PG to put up stats.

yeah, well Z-Bo has one of the best, if not best, post-games in the league. he can create his own shot. hence, he's not as PG dependant.

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1/18/2012  5:32 PM
eViL wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Zach Randolph puts up 20 and 10 in his sleep regardless of who the point guard is.

Please lets not make silly excuses that Amare needs a PG to put up stats.

yeah, well Z-Bo has one of the best, if not best, post-games in the league. he can create his own shot. hence, he's not as PG dependant.

Put Melo on Z-Bo's team and let's see how it goes down.

This is my challenge.

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1/18/2012  5:39 PM
Is a star a star if he makes other people around him worse?
Rose is not the answer.
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1/18/2012  5:56 PM
knickstorrents wrote:Is a star a star if he makes other people around him worse?

What good is the heat of the Sun if it will not warm the surface of some planet?

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1/18/2012  6:02 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
eViL wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Zach Randolph puts up 20 and 10 in his sleep regardless of who the point guard is.

Please lets not make silly excuses that Amare needs a PG to put up stats.

yeah, well Z-Bo has one of the best, if not best, post-games in the league. he can create his own shot. hence, he's not as PG dependant.

Put Melo on Z-Bo's team and let's see how it goes down.

This is my challenge.

Zach Randolph used to be accused of taking shots away from his teammates too. It's bull****.

Sadly, Melo, Amare, and Chandler are eating up ALOT of cap space so we need to them performing at their pay level. The guys we have around them arent that good.

Amare needs to step his game up plain and simple.

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1/18/2012  6:12 PM
Yea, I mean, who is surprised at the fan reaction to Amar'e? Does no one remember how Ewing left here? We can be the most sentimental and the most ruthless simultaneously. He needs to step it up, he knows it, we know it.

I like Gallo and hoped he would be still be here. Agnostic of what team or player you support, it will be really interesting to see the fates of these two franchises for the next decade, forever in context of this trade and "potential".

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1/18/2012  6:13 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:Yea, I mean, who is surprised at the fan reaction to Amar'e? Does no one remember how Ewing left here? We can be the most sentimental and the most ruthless simultaneously. He needs to step it up, he knows it, we know it.

I like Gallo and hoped he would be still be here. Agnostic of what team or player you support, it will be really interesting to see the fates of these two franchises for the next decade, forever in context of this trade and "potential".

This is simple. Take their records and their playoff records for the next ten years. And this will tell us.

I will be here, will you be here?

See you in 2022.

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1/18/2012  6:14 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:Yea, I mean, who is surprised at the fan reaction to Amar'e? Does no one remember how Ewing left here? We can be the most sentimental and the most ruthless simultaneously. He needs to step it up, he knows it, we know it.

I like Gallo and hoped he would be still be here. Agnostic of what team or player you support, it will be really interesting to see the fates of these two franchises for the next decade, forever in context of this trade and "potential".

This is simple. Take their records and their playoff records for the next ten years. And this will tell us.

I will be here, will you be here?

See you in 2022.

I hope I will still be here. Lot of pork and cigarettes this winter so far.

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1/18/2012  6:18 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:Yea, I mean, who is surprised at the fan reaction to Amar'e? Does no one remember how Ewing left here? We can be the most sentimental and the most ruthless simultaneously. He needs to step it up, he knows it, we know it.

I like Gallo and hoped he would be still be here. Agnostic of what team or player you support, it will be really interesting to see the fates of these two franchises for the next decade, forever in context of this trade and "potential".

This is simple. Take their records and their playoff records for the next ten years. And this will tell us.

I will be here, will you be here?

See you in 2022.

I hope I will still be here. Lot of pork and cigarettes this winter so far.

I'll be immortal until the day I die.

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