Uptown wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

loweyecue wrote:LOL the witch hunt is in full force.

well put

what cracks me up is that last season so many were freaking out over breakin up a .519 team... but now it's the end of the friggin world that the team is .500

Speaking for myself, I cant call this a witch hunt because I was never a believer in MDA's system. You dont win in this league, consistantly when you are a jump shooting team. Yes, a penetrating pg would help, but the idea of playing Stat 17-20 feet from the basket is assinine! How many times do we see Stat put the ball on the floor at the top of the key and lose it when he puts it on the floor? How about putting him in a different position? How about putting him down on the baseline, running a flex-cut for him where he can receive the ball 7 feet from the basket? I see the same the sets that MDA used in Pho and it doesn't work with this personnel.

MDA is supposed to be an offensive guru. Its his job to make the pieces fit. if he cant do that then he needs to be removed.

I actually hate the idea of Pringles coaching here... when have the Knicks ever been about anything but tough, hard-nosed defense? I guess maybe the 13 seconds Don Nelson coached the team. The hiring failed from a brand management perspective

I guess my previous point is that things aren't going right, but the team is still treading water. Just seems like someone new is put before the firing squad day-to-day. fishmike put it well the other day when he compared this to Tom Coughlin and his hot seat. Who would replace Pringles?

I would wait until the offseason and, if necessary, make a change when qualified candidates emerge

Uptown wrote:

I actually hate the idea of Pringles coaching here... when have the Knicks ever been about anything but tough, hard-nosed defense? I guess maybe the 13 seconds Don Nelson coached the team. The hiring failed from a brand management perspective

I guess my previous point is that things aren't going right, but the team is still treading water. Just seems like someone new is put before the firing squad day-to-day. fishmike put it well the other day when he compared this to Tom Coughlin and his hot seat. Who would replace Pringles?

I would wait until the offseason and, if necessary, make a change when qualified candidates emerge

As fans we have no choices because we are "just fans" but I'm not wanting to see the Knicks play .500 ball all season under this system and then enter the playoffs for a first round exit. Maybe a new coach won't make a difference but I as a fan can deal with that, I've always felt that D'Antoni was not the right coach for this team.

loweyecue wrote:

Uptown wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

loweyecue wrote:LOL the witch hunt is in full force.

well put

what cracks me up is that last season so many were freaking out over breakin up a .519 team... but now it's the end of the friggin world that the team is .500

Speaking for myself, I cant call this a witch hunt because I was never a believer in MDA's system. You dont win in this league, consistantly when you are a jump shooting team. Yes, a penetrating pg would help, but the idea of playing Stat 17-20 feet from the basket is assinine! How many times do we see Stat put the ball on the floor at the top of the key and lose it when he puts it on the floor? How about putting him in a different position? How about putting him down on the baseline, running a flex-cut for him where he can receive the ball 7 feet from the basket? I see the same the sets that MDA used in Pho and it doesn't work with this personnel.

MDA is supposed to be an offensive guru. Its his job to make the pieces fit. if he cant do that then he needs to be removed.

I don't think the Knicks ever played MDAs system or even came close to it. Did you see Amare playing on the perimeter in Phoenix? The SUNS actually played MDAs system. Amare became Amare under MDA telling us doesn't know how to use him really doesn't wash. On this team Amare has to play further out because if he is in the paint he would never get to touch the ball our backcourt can't get it to him.

We actually do run some of the sets from Pho! That sideline give-n-go is a classic set from Pho. The pg races up the court on the sideline, passes it up to the wing player who hands it back off to the pg. After the pg receives the ball, he lauches a cross-court pass for an open opposite corner 3. Problem is, Feilds cant connect with that shot consistantly. MDA also runs the elbow play with his center and pf lined up on opposite sides of the elbow/foul line. Classic Pho.

Again, he does run some of the stuff from Pho, difference is, he doesn't have Nash to improvise. Like I said a pg would help (actually a shooting pg would help, which Baron isn't as a good a shooter as Nash so it'll still be a little inconsistant with him) but the jump-shot happy system will never win it big. I would cut ties now, let Woodson finish out the season then evaluate in the summer. This team needs a jump start/kick in the *** and it seems like we are not listening to MDA.

Uptown wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Uptown wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

loweyecue wrote:LOL the witch hunt is in full force.

well put

what cracks me up is that last season so many were freaking out over breakin up a .519 team... but now it's the end of the friggin world that the team is .500

Speaking for myself, I cant call this a witch hunt because I was never a believer in MDA's system. You dont win in this league, consistantly when you are a jump shooting team. Yes, a penetrating pg would help, but the idea of playing Stat 17-20 feet from the basket is assinine! How many times do we see Stat put the ball on the floor at the top of the key and lose it when he puts it on the floor? How about putting him in a different position? How about putting him down on the baseline, running a flex-cut for him where he can receive the ball 7 feet from the basket? I see the same the sets that MDA used in Pho and it doesn't work with this personnel.

MDA is supposed to be an offensive guru. Its his job to make the pieces fit. if he cant do that then he needs to be removed.

I don't think the Knicks ever played MDAs system or even came close to it. Did you see Amare playing on the perimeter in Phoenix? The SUNS actually played MDAs system. Amare became Amare under MDA telling us doesn't know how to use him really doesn't wash. On this team Amare has to play further out because if he is in the paint he would never get to touch the ball our backcourt can't get it to him.

We actually do run some of the sets from Pho! That sideline give-n-go is a classic set from Pho. The pg races up the court on the sideline, passes it up to the wing player who hands it back off to the pg. After the pg receives the ball, he lauches a cross-court pass for an open opposite corner 3. Problem is, Feilds cant connect with that shot consistantly. MDA also runs the elbow play with his center and pf lined up on opposite sides of the elbow/foul line. Classic Pho.

Again, he does run some of the stuff from Pho, difference is, he doesn't have Nash to improvise. Like a said a pg would help (actually a shooting pg would help, which Baron isn't as a good a shooter as Nash so it'll still be a little inconsistant with him) but the jump-shot happy system will never win it big. I would cut ties now, let Woodson finish out the season then evaluate in the summer. This team needs a jump start/kick in the *** and it seems like we are not listening to MDA.

Why do we need to let Woodson finish out the season? Give MDA a full season. We have seen this every year the team takes time to gel because the team changes three times a year. He had us playing good basketball prior to the trade. He is doing his job with the pieces he has. Just loading up on stars doesn't mean you start executing from day 1.

loweyecue wrote:

Uptown wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Uptown wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

loweyecue wrote:LOL the witch hunt is in full force.

well put

what cracks me up is that last season so many were freaking out over breakin up a .519 team... but now it's the end of the friggin world that the team is .500

Speaking for myself, I cant call this a witch hunt because I was never a believer in MDA's system. You dont win in this league, consistantly when you are a jump shooting team. Yes, a penetrating pg would help, but the idea of playing Stat 17-20 feet from the basket is assinine! How many times do we see Stat put the ball on the floor at the top of the key and lose it when he puts it on the floor? How about putting him in a different position? How about putting him down on the baseline, running a flex-cut for him where he can receive the ball 7 feet from the basket? I see the same the sets that MDA used in Pho and it doesn't work with this personnel.

MDA is supposed to be an offensive guru. Its his job to make the pieces fit. if he cant do that then he needs to be removed.

I don't think the Knicks ever played MDAs system or even came close to it. Did you see Amare playing on the perimeter in Phoenix? The SUNS actually played MDAs system. Amare became Amare under MDA telling us doesn't know how to use him really doesn't wash. On this team Amare has to play further out because if he is in the paint he would never get to touch the ball our backcourt can't get it to him.

We actually do run some of the sets from Pho! That sideline give-n-go is a classic set from Pho. The pg races up the court on the sideline, passes it up to the wing player who hands it back off to the pg. After the pg receives the ball, he lauches a cross-court pass for an open opposite corner 3. Problem is, Feilds cant connect with that shot consistantly. MDA also runs the elbow play with his center and pf lined up on opposite sides of the elbow/foul line. Classic Pho.

Again, he does run some of the stuff from Pho, difference is, he doesn't have Nash to improvise. Like a said a pg would help (actually a shooting pg would help, which Baron isn't as a good a shooter as Nash so it'll still be a little inconsistant with him) but the jump-shot happy system will never win it big. I would cut ties now, let Woodson finish out the season then evaluate in the summer. This team needs a jump start/kick in the *** and it seems like we are not listening to MDA.

Why do we need to let Woodson finish out the season? Give MDA a full season. We have seen this every year the team takes time to gel because the team changes three times a year. He had us playing good basketball prior to the trade. He is doing his job with the pieces he has. Just loading up on stars doesn't mean you start executing from day 1.

We were wildly inconsistant last year. Started 3-8 I believe, had a long winning streak, 13 then struggled again landing us @ 2 games over 500. before the trade and on the outside looking in on the playoffs. With the consistant slow starts in games, falling behind early, I just wonder how much belief our guys have in MDA.

Bippity10 wrote:We hire an uptempo, ball moving coach who's system needs a pg to succeed. Then we go out and get a slow moving, ball stopping roster with no pg and wonder why he can't win. Instead of emulating the Phoenix team that won 60 games we do the exact opposite and then yell at the coach for not recreating his successes and improving upon his mistakes. Once again our front office is at odds with the coach. The reason we started to win was because Walsh and dantoni were on the same page. Now we are back to the coaching and front office disconnect which leads to constant turmoil and struggles.

I'm not a dantoni fan but........you cannot turnover a roster three years in a row and bring in players that don't fit the coaches system and then expect coaches and players to get it together and be one cohesive unit after the 12 games following a lockout that did not include training camp with an offense that requires a pg but does not have one. Fire dantoni tomorrow I don't care, but the new coach will be in the exact same position

this... Agree 100% bip, couldn't have said it better myself

Bippity10 wrote:We hire an uptempo, ball moving coach who's system needs a pg to succeed. Then we go out and get a slow moving, ball stopping roster with no pg and wonder why he can't win. Instead of emulating the Phoenix team that won 60 games we do the exact opposite and then yell at the coach for not recreating his successes and improving upon his mistakes. Once again our front office is at odds with the coach. The reason we started to win was because Walsh and dantoni were on the same page. Now we are back to the coaching and front office disconnect which leads to constant turmoil and struggles.

I'm not a dantoni fan but........you cannot turnover a roster three years in a row and bring in players that don't fit the coaches system and then expect coaches and players to get it together and be one cohesive unit after the 12 games following a lockout that did not include training camp with an offense that requires a pg but does not have one. Fire dantoni tomorrow I don't care, but the new coach will be in the exact same position

Good post and I am definitely hiding my children.

s3231 wrote:

If everything goes wrong and we're a .500 team, that to me indicates once things go our way, we will have a pretty high ceiling as a team. So get a grip and learn how to be patient.

If everything goes right, we won't be much better than a .500 team.

holfresh wrote:We can all argue about whether or not MDA had a proper roster to coach...One thing we can say about MDA, while here, his teams never once overachieved...We have seen teams overachieved over the years across the NBA...Never under MDA as a Knick coach...

After 13 games and before Melodrama infected the roster our young team was over achieving. The coming of age of Moz and Gallo started attacking the rim.

It was the most fun I had in years watching the team.

It was not a contender, but neither is this sorry state of the team right now either. At least I had that and perhaps the hope that more internal growth could happen and other trades could occur.

If I am MDA, I walk after this year anyway. Knicks pay well but don't follow a plan.

Think MDA can win with a starphuch owner who does not share the same ambition?

Donnie tried to build a culture but Little Jimmy can't help himself.

So long as Little Jimmy prematurely ejaculates his immature impatient ways the team won't develop a winning culture.