tkf wrote:UNFORTUNATELY the melo trade put us in this position, but I like amare, and if we had to move him, I think Houston would be a good trading partner... amare for kevin martin, Jordan hill. Yes jordan hill and terrance williams...

T will can play some point, and SG..

Martin will be that elite shooter we need and he would fit well with melo

jordan hill and chandler can do the dirty work in the frontcourt....

this would be a way to balance this team, even if we are giving up the most talent... we get talent back and a way to balance this team..

tkf wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

nixluva wrote:That's it for me. I'm done with this forum for a while. This forum used to be GREAT. Not just good, but GREAT. There was very astute posting and observations. Now it's posts full of Fantasy League proposals, wild exaggeration and premature overreactions. There's no real debate or conversation. It's sad really. I need a break from this crap.

I kinda agree. I live and die in every game like most fans here, but you still have to realize we are far from a finished product. This is Stoudemire's second season in NY. We still haven't had a ful season of Melo. Tyson Chandler just got here. The rest, mostly, either just arrived or have suffered from the heavy player shuffle. Shump and Jorts are rookies. Baron hasn't even made his debut! All in a shortened season with no real time for practice and a team that is still learning the playbook.

Guys, lets try to be fair. Please.

The Knicks have shown their potential to be a contending team in some nights. They have missed key players because of injuries, and take into account that most active roster is significant in a short season. If you thought we were going to storm the league from the get go, you just got your hopes to high, and that's your problem. The fact is the Knicks will probably come close to their potential, if they get healthy and stay that way, at the end of the season.

If you can't handle the bumps now when we actually have an exciting and promising roster, you can just tune out. But it seems like we are always on the brink: one night we beat the Sixers and can win a championship, the next we lose to the Grizzlies and we have to trade Amar'e. No more trades. That is exactly what this team needs:

Time

Let them get healthy. Give Mike D his final chance to prove his worth. If he fails, he will surely be fired, so he should get his last chance. This team, healthy, is nowhere close to what it showed tonight. But the path to such stability is long and bumpy. In for the ride? Then take the hits like a man, I mean, fan!

where have they done that? and even then, is that good enough.. you need to show that consistently.. a lot of teams can look like contenders.. "some nights".. I am sorry, people are upset, they have the right to be, we gave up and paid a lot for this team, and so far it is a train wreck...

Wow dude, Im really sorry for you. I didn't know you gave part of your money to get the team we have. In that case, vent all you want, its your right.

But hey, just remember that it has only been 12 games, we haven't had the whole team healthy yet and the new pieces are still learning the system. If you really expected the team with so many changes and injuries to come out of the gate and win the championship in the first few weeks, you set yourself for disappointment.

nixluva wrote:That's it for me. I'm done with this forum for a while. This forum used to be GREAT. Not just good, but GREAT. There was very astute posting and observations. Now it's posts full of Fantasy League proposals, wild exaggeration and premature overreactions. There's no real debate or conversation. It's sad really. I need a break from this crap.

I hear Boston Medical Group helps with premature overreactions.

We have no idea if we would improve with any of these deals.

We must give this team time with a real PG.

We are committed to the core of Melo, Stat, and Chandler. Why would we ever consider breaking it up after only 13 games? Miami was 9-9 last year with their big three. I think ours deserves more time. Even if they barely makes the playoffs this season, we must put more talent around them. This core should get 2 years before any consideration of trade if it isn't working.

You only trade Stoudemire if a better player comes available. These deals with Houston and GS for non-all stars is BS.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I can't believe we are still talking Amare trades for worse players.

We have no idea if we would improve with any of these deals.

We must give this team time with a real PG.

We are committed to the core of Melo, Stat, and Chandler. Why would we ever consider breaking it up after only 13 games? Miami was 9-9 last year with their big three. I think ours deserves more time. Even if they barely makes the playoffs this season, we must put more talent around them. This core should get 2 years before any consideration of trade if it isn't working.

You only trade Stoudemire if a better player comes available. These deals with Houston and GS for non-all stars is BS.

Since the second half of last year, Amare has not looked like an all-star.
I agree though that this is our core. As might as well see if it pans out.

The guy isn't a superstar. Superstars don't disappear so easily on offense and superstars don't play like crap on offense because they don't have a point guard. Superstars don't let their man, any man, abuse them on offense repeatedly. Amare can't rebound or defend and that means he is completely worthless right now. If he's not scoring he provides nothing to the team. He's a low IQ basketball player more interested in STATS (*cough*) than wins.

STATomire, to me, is a disgrace. Just because he took our 5 year, max offer and gave us 41 wins doesn't make him some sort of franchise legend who doesn't deserve criticism. I think the fact we actually weren't awful last year masked the fact he still didn't play defense or rebound consistently. now that we actually expect to be a great team we can clearly see how this guy is simply not a star player and not a player that represents NY. He can have all the swagger he wants but he slinks away like a scared kitten whenever drives on him. He talks ish when he dunks on someone and thinks he's tough. That's not tough. Tough is playing defense, hard fouling, rebounding, playing with passion every game.

I hate Kevin Garnett. He's a huge douche but he's 10 times the player Amare is, even now. He plays his ass of every game and plays it the right way. When your best player is playing like a straight up biatch the rest of your team will follow. We have two guys who aren't leaders trying to be leaders. Changes need to be made and it doesn't end with the coaching staff. Amare needs to be traded this summer if we want any chance of the Carmelo era succeeding here.

And sorry to tell you but Baron Davis ain't coming in here and dropping 10 assists a game and saving the franchise. That myth needs to end right now. We're not a PG away from accomplishing amazing things. We're a coach and a few tough no-bs players away from becoming a great team. We need more leaders, more people who take pride in defense and less SOFT (yes, I'm calling Amare soft) players on this team. I'm sick and tired of seeing the same thing every season. Different players, different coaches, same results.