nixluva wrote:Not to many PG's catching Alley's as well as throwing them on the the National TV scene like Iman is gonna get. The Buzz about the Knicks is gonna be huge once they start to gel and win games. I think we're underestimating the media coverage that is gonna ensue when the season is in full swing with no Football. Knicks have way more National games than the losing teams will.

everyone will see rubio on sports center and the t'wolves will be on national tv enough.

and you're not exactly making an argument based on actual play. you want iman to win an award he maybe doesn't deserve based on his visibility? smh. i'd rather he win it for on court play.

and i'm just telling you, rubio is already the darling of the national media. ken berger went to washington today to cover the wizards game... because they were playing rubio. also, by the way, ken berger is your voting audience. he's one of the writers who gets a rookie of the year vote and he's traveling to see rubio.

this is from national coverage from one of the most respected writers in the league:

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gametracker/recap/NBA_20120108_MIN@WAS/timberwolves-trounce-wizards-behind-love-rubio

Timberwolves trounce Wizards
CBSSports.com wire reports
Jan. 8, 2012

WASHINGTON -- There's no telling how different the Washington Wizards would be if they had drafted Ricky Rubio when they had the chance. Surely they couldn't be any worse than what they are now: a winless team running out of ways to express its humiliation.

Rubio and Kevin Love controlled the game in the 93-72 win for the Minnesota Timberwolves on Sunday, while the Wizards were showered with boos during a 12-point fourth quarter as they dropped to 0-8.

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The Timberwolves selected Rubio with the No. 5 overall pick in 2009, a selection they acquired from the Wizards for guards Randy Foyeand Mike Miller. Foye and Miller are long gone from Washington, while Minnesota waited patiently for Rubio to play two more years in Spain before making his impact as a rookie this season.

Rubio had 13 points, a career-high 14 assists -- one fewer than the entire Wizards team -- and six rebounds Sunday, controlling the game during much of his 30 minutes off the bench. He entered with 1:30 remaining in the first quarter and quickly hit a 22-foot jump shot to start a 17-2 run that gave Minnesota the lead for good.

"We're happy to have him now," said Love, who had 20 points and 16 rebounds. "Today's just an example of how good he is -- and how good he can be. Who's to say? He's still working on his jump shot. He's still working on his game."

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Not to many PG's catching Alley's as well as throwing them on the the National TV scene like Iman is gonna get. The Buzz about the Knicks is gonna be huge once they start to gel and win games. I think we're underestimating the media coverage that is gonna ensue when the season is in full swing with no Football. Knicks have way more National games than the losing teams will.

everyone will see rubio on sports center and the t'wolves will be on national tv enough.

and you're not exactly making an argument based on actual play. you want iman to win an award he maybe doesn't deserve based on his visibility? smh. i'd rather he win it for on court play.

and i'm just telling you, rubio is already the darling of the national media. ken berger went to washington today to cover the wizards game... because they were playing rubio. also, by the way, ken berger is your voting audience. he's one of the writers who gets a rookie of the year vote and he's traveling to see rubio.

this is from national coverage from one of the most respected writers in the league:

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gametracker/recap/NBA_20120108_MIN@WAS/timberwolves-trounce-wizards-behind-love-rubio

Timberwolves trounce Wizards
CBSSports.com wire reports
Jan. 8, 2012

WASHINGTON -- There's no telling how different the Washington Wizards would be if they had drafted Ricky Rubio when they had the chance. Surely they couldn't be any worse than what they are now: a winless team running out of ways to express its humiliation.

Rubio and Kevin Love controlled the game in the 93-72 win for the Minnesota Timberwolves on Sunday, while the Wizards were showered with boos during a 12-point fourth quarter as they dropped to 0-8.

...

The Timberwolves selected Rubio with the No. 5 overall pick in 2009, a selection they acquired from the Wizards for guards Randy Foyeand Mike Miller. Foye and Miller are long gone from Washington, while Minnesota waited patiently for Rubio to play two more years in Spain before making his impact as a rookie this season.

Rubio had 13 points, a career-high 14 assists -- one fewer than the entire Wizards team -- and six rebounds Sunday, controlling the game during much of his 30 minutes off the bench. He entered with 1:30 remaining in the first quarter and quickly hit a 22-foot jump shot to start a 17-2 run that gave Minnesota the lead for good.

"We're happy to have him now," said Love, who had 20 points and 16 rebounds. "Today's just an example of how good he is -- and how good he can be. Who's to say? He's still working on his jump shot. He's still working on his game."

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Rubio is far ahead of everyone right now that this is pointless

it's too early in the season to call it pointless (and nominate a ROY lock)?

"right now"

It can be revisited if someone starts competing.

I think you underestimate the attention Iman is gonna get being the starting PG for the Knicks. We're gonna have a lot of National TV games and with that spotlight and wins it could raise his profile a lot.

Rubio today:

13 points, 14 assists 6 rebounds

when Shump starts having games like that, first, I will be esctatic second we can put him in the mix

he did, against that same team: 10 points, 7 assits, 5 steals.

Nice game but not exactly the same numbers. Shumbert at least plays much better D than rubio.

and by year's end he'll also be on a much more winning team. We shall see how it goes.

I don't think that matters like it does with, say, the basbeall MVP

crzymdups wrote:again, your only real argument is that iman will get more coverage. i'm telling you - i've watched every rubio game and the kid is legit.

i never root against the knicks. and i want iman to start every game for the rest of the year and lead the knicks to the championship. i've seen all his games too and he's got something special.

but ricky rubio is still a special player, too. as much as iman has a flair and feel for the game... rubio's is otherworldly. the kid is the real deal.

and if you don't think rubio's gonna get more coverage and exposure than iman or any other rookie this year, i don't know what to tell you. look around, he's already getting it! sportsguy, sports illustrated, yahoo, espn, cbs - they've all already done featurs on him. kyrie might actually be hurt by underexposure, but rubio won't. the wolves could actually threaten to make the playoffs. they're good and rubio is very very good.

it's not a slam on iman to say that rubio is a special player. rubio captured the imagination of the entire league WHEN HE WAS PLAYING IN SPAIN. now that he's here, almost every writer and hoops purist is obsessed with him.

i think iman can be an all-star, but rubio is going to be one of the best pure point guards in the league for the next 15 years.

i'm not discounting Rubio. I too have him ahead and stated so. I'm just saying that he's got a 4 game advantage and the hype machine is already in full effect cuz there was a buzz about him. Iman is coming in as a Darkhorse, so of course he's not getting the same attention, but I think you are giving more weight to the fact that Rubio is a more gifted passer and overlooking what Iman can do. Iman hasn't even gotten started yet! He's just coming off an injury and isn't 100% and still Iman is producing. There will be some mind blowing performances from Iman as well. It's going to be closer than you think.

2011-12 Statistics

Rubio Games 8 PPG 9.9  RPG 3.90 APG 7.6 STL 1.1 EFF + 14.88
Iman  Games 4 PPG 12.5 RPG 3.50 APG 3.5 STL 2.0 EFF + 13.25

Now I try to watch every single Minni game and I have to tell you: He is doing exactly the same things hes done since years. If he doesnt injure himself, he certainly will sustain this level of play and become ROY. Iman is good, hopefully really special. If he wants to get any chance for ROY, he has to be so damn good... Not that I wouldnt be ok with that

Brooks, from the Nets, also deserves consideration. Guy is scoring like 30 points per 48.

SupremeCommander wrote:

crzymdups wrote:again, your only real argument is that iman will get more coverage. i'm telling you - i've watched every rubio game and the kid is legit.

i never root against the knicks. and i want iman to start every game for the rest of the year and lead the knicks to the championship. i've seen all his games too and he's got something special.

but ricky rubio is still a special player, too. as much as iman has a flair and feel for the game... rubio's is otherworldly. the kid is the real deal.

and if you don't think rubio's gonna get more coverage and exposure than iman or any other rookie this year, i don't know what to tell you. look around, he's already getting it! sportsguy, sports illustrated, yahoo, espn, cbs - they've all already done featurs on him. kyrie might actually be hurt by underexposure, but rubio won't. the wolves could actually threaten to make the playoffs. they're good and rubio is very very good.

it's not a slam on iman to say that rubio is a special player. rubio captured the imagination of the entire league WHEN HE WAS PLAYING IN SPAIN. now that he's here, almost every writer and hoops purist is obsessed with him.

i think iman can be an all-star, but rubio is going to be one of the best pure point guards in the league for the next 15 years.

Rubio is a stud, he is putting up numbers, and when vote time comes around, his performance against Team USA and Kobe Bryant's high praise will get printed and re-printed and tweeted and re-tweeted.

He's definitely the odds on favorite. Yeah, maybe someone else outshines him, or he gets injured, or whatever. But Rubio is definitely the favorite

Why is Rubio considered a rookie? He's been playing professional ball for years! So what if its not the NBA.

Panos wrote:

Why is Rubio considered a rookie? He's been playing professional ball for years! So what if its not the NBA.

Good point. Thats problably why he is so far ahead of all the other rookies right now. As the season goes along the top rookies will get better and we will be able to judge who's the best.

I also wonder when Baron gets back does Shump slide to SG or backup PG

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:1st - Ricky Rubio
2nd - Kyrie Irving
3rd - Iman Shumpert
4th - Marshon Brooks
5th - Norris Cole
6th - Brandon Knight

That's about right.

Rubio is just a sensation. If he doesn't win it outright it will be a shared award.

Everytime I put on Sports Center, he's dropping double digit dimes and he's also unconscious shooting wise in the 4th quarter...no way (barring injury) he doesn't win ROY.