loweyecue wrote:OK so the shump love is waay over the top here. But I thought the kid showed that he can indeed make passes and direct tthe traffic. He seems to have bit of DRose in him. Not that Rose will ever even scratch the surface of the defense this kid has.

I actually don't. I think the Jorts love after his one good game was over top, but Shump seems to have something special.

loweyecue wrote:OK so the shump love is waay over the top here. But I thought the kid showed that he can indeed make passes and direct tthe traffic. He seems to have bit of DRose in him. Not that Rose will ever even scratch the surface of the defense this kid has.

What good is love if it is half-assed? Love is SUPPOSED to be over the top.

Funny. You call it "over the top" and in the same breath invoke MVP Derrick Rose.

The way Shump commanded the floor and directed traffic?

Look in his fierce eyes. I see the competitive fire of Michael Jordan.

Mray20 wrote:Shump reminds me of sprewell with a better handle I like this guy SG of the future

I have to tell you, I recall Kobe's first year in the league and Shump reminds me a bit of him but bigger, stronger, shorter.

Darn quick lateral movement.

Mray20 wrote:Shump reminds me of sprewell with a better handle I like this guy SG of the future

Sprewell sells Shumpert short. Tear the ceiling of the sucka. The young mans career is not ten games old and he already shows flashes of a unique temperment that can change a game with his comprehension and intelligence. A freakin' rookie.

We could be in for a treat.

ChuckBuck wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Mray20 wrote:Shump reminds me of sprewell with a better handle I like this guy SG of the future

Sprewell sells Shumpert short. Tear the ceiling of the sucka. The young mans career is not ten games old and he already shows flashes of a unique temperment that can change a game with his comprehension and intelligence. A freakin' rookie.

We could be in for a treat.

Russell Wade? Derrick Westbrook?

The only thing he needs to really work on is taking the ball to the rim. He pulls up too much when he doesn't need to. He can take it all the way to the rim and gather fouls or extend plays for a pass off for other guys to get layups. It will come with proper coaching.

RonRon wrote:TD is still nice rotation player to have on our bench.
His defense/cheating and his way of stopping penetrating needs major work.
He isn't a facilitator but can get hot shooting good 3 pointers.
Iman might not be a pure PG, but he is better than anyone we have besides Baron Davis is back.
He is better of both ends, on the defensive side, hes not letting opposing PGs to drive in effortlessly.
We still need a lot of work to improve on, it seems like our defense is the worse in the league and we catch players that do well vs us.

If TD is on any elite or top level team he doesn't see the court. We can't expect to be a top level team and have a guy like TD in our rotation. We need to upgrade asap. Have we had that many awful players in NY that we can't see lack of talent?

misterearl wrote:

RonRon wrote:TD is still nice rotation player to have on our bench.
His defense/cheating and his way of stopping penetrating needs major work.
He isn't a facilitator but can get hot shooting good 3 pointers.
Iman might not be a pure PG, but he is better than anyone we have besides Baron Davis is back.
He is better of both ends, on the defensive side, hes not letting opposing PGs to drive in effortlessly.
We still need a lot of work to improve on, it seems like our defense is the worse in the league and we catch players that do well vs us.

The Knicks bench needs an upgrade. TD is not so nice a player to have on the bench.
If his defense needs major work, that is another reason for TD to take a seat.
Three pointers are a cheap way out of running continuity. Layups win games.
Iman is as pure a basketball player as there is on the roster. Forget the silly labels of PG, SG, MPG or GNP.
The Knicks are a work in progress. Defense comes with trust. Go big or go home. 6'5, 6'7, 6'9, 6'10, 7'.

Some of us postulated what it could look like when we played the big lineup. It was nice to finally see it in action and it looked pretty good. We didn't find ourselves in any serious mismatches and the reaction time totally changed. All of a sudden everyone could get back to their man cuz of the speed and range of Shump.

I think back to that lateral movement video I posted before the draft, where Shump is leading his team in doing the drills and you could see his cat like quickness back then.

As for running the offense Shumpert said, “I’m always pretty comfortable. ... It don’t matter if I come off the bench, if I start, it doesn’t really matter. When everybody comes in they got to do their job."

Labels do not matter. Shumpert understands flow, tempo and spacing and that makes him a basketball Albert Einstein.

The sight of him directing traffic (the frontcourt veterans included), while dribbling the ball confidently with his head up, brought tears to my eyes. The interior bullet pass to Stoudemire was a thing of beauty, which we ALL know is a joy forever.

No to Toney Douglas as the starting off guard. Too small to defend bigger people at that position, too slow for the lightning bugs like John Wall.

“You have to be careful grasping at straws,” D’Antoni said. “There is no evidence that (starting Shumpert) would work. We’re going to hold steady and get better at what we need to get better at and then worry about the other fluff stuff later.”

Fluff stuff?

Oh I get it, the matter of who starts a game is "fluff stuff" to D'Antoni. Okay, he considers Toney Douglas' frame of mind fragile to make a change.

"I still want to think about it,... We don’t want to lose Toney, but we’ll do what we have to do."

Lose Toney. Please. It's up to him to earn his minutes.

"Anytime you throw a pebble in the water there are ripples,” D’Antoni said. “I just want to make sure the team is good (and) healthy mentally.”

Good and healthy mentally? What is this, a daycare center or a group of man?

The prime directive, as first made plain by Red Holzman (who would sit starters in a heartbeat, no matter who, sometimes ALL of them), is crystal clear.

"You suck. You sit."

I miss Shawne Williams.