FoeDiddy wrote:

SteveSmith wrote:Seriously? You guys are killing me with the negativity!

There we have a mid 1st rounder, finishing the game with a +/- of +20, 5 steals, 1 block , 7 assists, being at least the 2nd best Knick on the floor, making every single move for the opposing ball handler dangerous and all you say is "3 seconds or less"?

Unbelievable!

I think it was a premature thread...quite embarrassing but it happens to the best of us.

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

SteveSmith wrote:Seriously? You guys are killing me with the negativity!

There we have a mid 1st rounder, finishing the game with a +/- of +20, 5 steals, 1 block , 7 assists, being at least the 2nd best Knick on the floor, making every single move for the opposing ball handler dangerous and all you say is "3 seconds or less"?

Unbelievable!

I think it was a premature thread...quite embarrassing but it happens to the best of us.

Do you really think his shot-selection problem is solved now that he put on a good performance in the 2nd half? How on earth does a guy with his talent level shoot only 40% against college competition? I'm hard on Shumpert because I think he has elite talent and don't want to see him shoot as badly in the NBA as he did in college. My thread was not a criticism of his overall game but rather of his shot-selection. I clearly did not criticize other elements of his game.

its a valid point, however, he stopped looking to score in the last quarter.
He only took that last 3pointer wide open, i dont mind that shot. He was really that open and it was a good look he had, even if it was early in the shot clock.
His energy and defense vs TD was the big difference.
He is the only player we have that is able to stop the PG or SG, with Fields being not quick/fast enough for many SGs.

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

SteveSmith wrote:Seriously? You guys are killing me with the negativity!

There we have a mid 1st rounder, finishing the game with a +/- of +20, 5 steals, 1 block , 7 assists, being at least the 2nd best Knick on the floor, making every single move for the opposing ball handler dangerous and all you say is "3 seconds or less"?

Unbelievable!

I think it was a premature thread...quite embarrassing but it happens to the best of us.

Do you really think his shot-selection problem is solved now that he put on a good performance in the 2nd half? (And even today he shot poorly despite playing very well overall.) How on earth does a guy with his talent level shoot only 40% against college competition? I'm hard on Shumpert because I think he has elite talent and don't want to see him shoot as badly in the NBA as he did in college. My thread was not a criticism of his overall game but rather of his shot-selection. I clearly did not criticize other elements of his game.

His last two games his shot selection has definitely improved. He missed some open looks tonite and shots in flow. His Shot Selection wasn't that bad outside of a couple of 3s. What I like is he didn't look to shoot himself out of it and instead started to look for his teammates. He has great form and think his shot will become more consistent through the years.

He play'd for a awful system in G. Tech. I'm in Atlanta and the coaching at G Tech is horrendous. He has Melo, Amare & Chandler to pass to so his bad shots will definitely be minimized.

I've seen like 3 bad shots this game. Vs the kittens there were more of them, vs the Basterds there were tons of bad shots and even though I havent seen the two Nets games in preseason, I would guess there were even more bad shots back then.

--> Progression

What I really liked was, that he didnt dribble the ball when playing the point. The ball was moving and the players were moving. Even though not having the ball in hands all the time, he was the one to hit the open man.

When he gets better with his teammates at this rate, he will have to log 35+ minutes for the rest of the season. Lets hope he can do it. His build should be suited for it.

Will be interesting to see if he overdoes it tonight if melo is not there.

Nalod wrote:
first order is to get him used to a role and the pace. When Baron Plays where will he fit? TD go'e to third string?

Does MDA get the luxury (and the task to fill!) of having a whole new back court inserted with Shump and Diddy moving TD and Fields to second unit?

I think Biiby should be the back up PG, Fields and Walker can play 2-3 interchangeably, TD shouldn't see the floor when Baron is healthy.

crzymdups wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Nalod wrote:
first order is to get him used to a role and the pace. When Baron Plays where will he fit? TD go'e to third string?

Does MDA get the luxury (and the task to fill!) of having a whole new back court inserted with Shump and Diddy moving TD and Fields to second unit?

I think Biiby should be the back up PG, Fields and Walker can play 2-3 interchangeably, TD shouldn't see the floor when Baron is healthy.

i think TD is a useful player when he's right. we could use his shooting.

baron and iman start if all is well with bdiddy. toney and landry come off the bench. landry can play some backup three as well.

Walker can shoot threes as well, he can also defend bigger players. TD has regressed well beyond last years levels. He needs to sit and only play garbage minutes. He can get PT when he earns it again.

Bonn1997 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Nalod wrote:
first order is to get him used to a role and the pace. When Baron Plays where will he fit? TD go'e to third string?

Does MDA get the luxury (and the task to fill!) of having a whole new back court inserted with Shump and Diddy moving TD and Fields to second unit?

I think Biiby should be the back up PG, Fields and Walker can play 2-3 interchangeably, TD shouldn't see the floor when Baron is healthy.

Bibby had a good game but is really just an NBDL player at this point. He's averaging 2 assists in 20 minutes and shooting 32% from the field. And he can't guard anyone.

Agreed, sadly enough that's still better than Douglas.

FoeDiddy wrote:

SteveSmith wrote:Seriously? You guys are killing me with the negativity!

There we have a mid 1st rounder, finishing the game with a +/- of +20, 5 steals, 1 block , 7 assists, being at least the 2nd best Knick on the floor, making every single move for the opposing ball handler dangerous and all you say is "3 seconds or less"?

Unbelievable!

I think it was a premature thread...quite embarrassing but it happens to the best of us.

FoeDiddy wrote:

SteveSmith wrote:Seriously? You guys are killing me with the negativity!

There we have a mid 1st rounder, finishing the game with a +/- of +20, 5 steals, 1 block , 7 assists, being at least the 2nd best Knick on the floor, making every single move for the opposing ball handler dangerous and all you say is "3 seconds or less"?

Unbelievable!

I think it was a premature thread...quite embarrassing but it happens to the best of us.

I duno man. Shump is great but you can tell at times he was looking to take an open 3 ASAP ala Toney Douglas. That's coaching. Luckily he exhibited some self control and ended up being the biggest catalyst we had all season.

Allanfan20 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

SteveSmith wrote:Seriously? You guys are killing me with the negativity!

There we have a mid 1st rounder, finishing the game with a +/- of +20, 5 steals, 1 block , 7 assists, being at least the 2nd best Knick on the floor, making every single move for the opposing ball handler dangerous and all you say is "3 seconds or less"?

Unbelievable!

I think it was a premature thread...quite embarrassing but it happens to the best of us.

I duno man. Shump is great but you can tell at times he was looking to take an open 3 ASAP ala Toney Douglas. That's coaching. Luckily he exhibited some self control and ended up being the biggest catalyst we had all season.

Please explain to me how this is coaching?

Because Mikes coaching has been all about taking the open shot as soon as possible. No? Douglas has been doing that his entire career.

Surely you agree that we take a ton of 3s early in the clock since Mike has been here. I don't have stats to back that up. Just going from watching every game of the DAntoni tenure. You disagree?

MSG3 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

SteveSmith wrote:Seriously? You guys are killing me with the negativity!

There we have a mid 1st rounder, finishing the game with a +/- of +20, 5 steals, 1 block , 7 assists, being at least the 2nd best Knick on the floor, making every single move for the opposing ball handler dangerous and all you say is "3 seconds or less"?

Unbelievable!

I think it was a premature thread...quite embarrassing but it happens to the best of us.

I duno man. Shump is great but you can tell at times he was looking to take an open 3 ASAP ala Toney Douglas. That's coaching. Luckily he exhibited some self control and ended up being the biggest catalyst we had all season.

Please explain to me how this is coaching?

Because Mikes coaching has been all about taking the open shot as soon as possible. No? Douglas has been doing that his entire career.

Surely you agree that we take a ton of 3s early in the clock since Mike has been here. I don't have stats to back that up. Just going from watching every game of the DAntoni tenure. You disagree?

This just sounds more and more like pure ignorance everytime you guys repeat this. Toney Douglas has butchered MDAs system beyond recognition yet people kepp saying this is what MDA teaches. At some point you need to test your belief system and see just how far away from reality you have strayed.

If what you said was true Novak would star over Melo and log 36 minutes a game.