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1/6/2012  6:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/6/2012  7:01 PM
Yet another thread starts out discussing one topic then turns into another why did we trade for Melo bitch-fest....
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1/6/2012  7:29 PM
Knixkik wrote:Saying we traded away our "future" is not accurate at all. Has Gallo taken any steps to becoming a star? Is anyone that we traded every going to be close to the caliber of Melo? Answer to both is no. You get stars then you build around them. You don't build starting with good role players. We have the stars, we just need to continue building around them. Chandler and Shumpert is a start at least.

It'S not about Gallo, (which was btw Gallo, chandler, Felton, Mozgov, a couple draft picks), it was about financial responsability and be able to have a long term plan.

We don't have a plan right now. We have no cap flexibility, holes everywhere, players that don't want to defend and proved that their whole career.

Can we take the heat in a 7 games series? The Bulls? Do you expect this to change in the near future?

I don't. This is Mc Dyess 2.0. We were nearly out of the hole we dug ourselves in, then traded all our chips for a shor term pleasure instead of showing a little more patience.

And the stars we have are not the kind of stars a championship team is built on.
We have all stars, scorers, and those players usually have great stats but win no ring.
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1/6/2012  7:32 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Gymkata wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:We have a better roster. But they've made it to the finals more recently than we have and I have more confidence in their ownership (and the 28 other teams' ownerships) than in Dolan. They'll probably suck for a while, do a genuine rebuild, and be very good again.

Dude....are you serious? Confidence in their ownership? They traded away their entire forsseable future for Deron who will not be coming back. If the Knicks did a move like that you'd be having a field day with it.

And I'm not a Dolan apologist either. But that's a silly statement to make.


They traded away their future for Deron; we did for Carmelo. This may come down simply to a debate about which owner was dumber.

Sometimes I wonder if you didn't like the Melo trade.

So maybe you can answer this question for me: what wouldn't have been too high a price to pay for Carmelo and Billups?


From what I saw of Melo in Denver, I simply did not want him on the team. They would have to have paid us to take him. (And many Denver fans are thought getting rid of him was addition by subtraction.)

That said, I do generally like what I've seen of him in his 33 games as a Knick. His shooting and decision-making have been much better. I'm still skeptical that his style of play on offense is what you want on a championship contender.

I like Billups very much but he's too old to have much use for a team that isn't contending.

Denver is 5-2, while playing the last 2 games without Nene and with no starter playing more than 25 minutes.
They really don't seem to miss melo, whose name they used to write MElo btw.

They're playing good, fun and entertaining team ball. We gave that to them on a silver platter.
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1/7/2012  10:17 AM
raven wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Saying we traded away our "future" is not accurate at all. Has Gallo taken any steps to becoming a star? Is anyone that we traded every going to be close to the caliber of Melo? Answer to both is no. You get stars then you build around them. You don't build starting with good role players. We have the stars, we just need to continue building around them. Chandler and Shumpert is a start at least.

It'S not about Gallo, (which was btw Gallo, chandler, Felton, Mozgov, a couple draft picks), it was about financial responsability and be able to have a long term plan.

We don't have a plan right now. We have no cap flexibility, holes everywhere, players that don't want to defend and proved that their whole career.

Can we take the heat in a 7 games series? The Bulls? Do you expect this to change in the near future?

I don't. This is Mc Dyess 2.0. We were nearly out of the hole we dug ourselves in, then traded all our chips for a shor term pleasure instead of showing a little more patience.

And the stars we have are not the kind of stars a championship team is built on.
We have all stars, scorers, and those players usually have great stats but win no ring.


We could have stayed flexible forever, but at what point do we go all in? Holding onto flexibility makes you forever hopeful, but never in position to win. The team that we had prior to the Melo trade offered no real plan or hope to get beyond the first or second round of the playoffs in Stat's prime. The knicks have a plan right now and are committed. Saying is it McDyess pt 2 is saying committing to any stars period is McDyess pt 2. You can keep all your role players and hold out hope because of "flexiblity" but i'm in win-now mode. We have the core, we are role player away from contending. It is much easier to get these players than players of Melo's caliber.
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1/7/2012  10:31 AM
Role players who would look good on this Knicks roster who were on the Knicks roster

Matt Barnes

Ime Udoka

Shawne Williams

Matt Carroll

Anthony Randolph

Anthony Carter

Kurt Thomas

Marcus Camby

once a knick always a knick
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1/7/2012  10:43 AM
misterearl wrote:Role players who would look good on this Knicks roster who were on the Knicks roster

Matt Barnes

Ime Udoka

Shawne Williams

Matt Carroll

Anthony Randolph

Anthony Carter

Kurt Thomas

Marcus Camby


I agree.
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1/7/2012  12:11 PM
raven wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Gymkata wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:We have a better roster. But they've made it to the finals more recently than we have and I have more confidence in their ownership (and the 28 other teams' ownerships) than in Dolan. They'll probably suck for a while, do a genuine rebuild, and be very good again.

Dude....are you serious? Confidence in their ownership? They traded away their entire forsseable future for Deron who will not be coming back. If the Knicks did a move like that you'd be having a field day with it.

And I'm not a Dolan apologist either. But that's a silly statement to make.


They traded away their future for Deron; we did for Carmelo. This may come down simply to a debate about which owner was dumber.

Sometimes I wonder if you didn't like the Melo trade.

So maybe you can answer this question for me: what wouldn't have been too high a price to pay for Carmelo and Billups?


From what I saw of Melo in Denver, I simply did not want him on the team. They would have to have paid us to take him. (And many Denver fans are thought getting rid of him was addition by subtraction.)

That said, I do generally like what I've seen of him in his 33 games as a Knick. His shooting and decision-making have been much better. I'm still skeptical that his style of play on offense is what you want on a championship contender.

I like Billups very much but he's too old to have much use for a team that isn't contending.

Denver is 5-2, while playing the last 2 games without Nene and with no starter playing more than 25 minutes.
They really don't seem to miss melo, whose name they used to write MElo btw.

They're playing good, fun and entertaining team ball. We gave that to them on a silver platter.

They are not title contenders. They don't have a franchise star.
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1/7/2012  12:13 PM
MSG3 wrote:
raven wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Gymkata wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:We have a better roster. But they've made it to the finals more recently than we have and I have more confidence in their ownership (and the 28 other teams' ownerships) than in Dolan. They'll probably suck for a while, do a genuine rebuild, and be very good again.

Dude....are you serious? Confidence in their ownership? They traded away their entire forsseable future for Deron who will not be coming back. If the Knicks did a move like that you'd be having a field day with it.

And I'm not a Dolan apologist either. But that's a silly statement to make.


They traded away their future for Deron; we did for Carmelo. This may come down simply to a debate about which owner was dumber.

Sometimes I wonder if you didn't like the Melo trade.

So maybe you can answer this question for me: what wouldn't have been too high a price to pay for Carmelo and Billups?


From what I saw of Melo in Denver, I simply did not want him on the team. They would have to have paid us to take him. (And many Denver fans are thought getting rid of him was addition by subtraction.)

That said, I do generally like what I've seen of him in his 33 games as a Knick. His shooting and decision-making have been much better. I'm still skeptical that his style of play on offense is what you want on a championship contender.

I like Billups very much but he's too old to have much use for a team that isn't contending.

Denver is 5-2, while playing the last 2 games without Nene and with no starter playing more than 25 minutes.
They really don't seem to miss melo, whose name they used to write MElo btw.

They're playing good, fun and entertaining team ball. We gave that to them on a silver platter.

They are not title contenders. They don't have a franchise star.


We on the other hand look like outstanding title contenders!
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1/7/2012  12:21 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
raven wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Gymkata wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:We have a better roster. But they've made it to the finals more recently than we have and I have more confidence in their ownership (and the 28 other teams' ownerships) than in Dolan. They'll probably suck for a while, do a genuine rebuild, and be very good again.

Dude....are you serious? Confidence in their ownership? They traded away their entire forsseable future for Deron who will not be coming back. If the Knicks did a move like that you'd be having a field day with it.

And I'm not a Dolan apologist either. But that's a silly statement to make.


They traded away their future for Deron; we did for Carmelo. This may come down simply to a debate about which owner was dumber.

Sometimes I wonder if you didn't like the Melo trade.

So maybe you can answer this question for me: what wouldn't have been too high a price to pay for Carmelo and Billups?


From what I saw of Melo in Denver, I simply did not want him on the team. They would have to have paid us to take him. (And many Denver fans are thought getting rid of him was addition by subtraction.)

That said, I do generally like what I've seen of him in his 33 games as a Knick. His shooting and decision-making have been much better. I'm still skeptical that his style of play on offense is what you want on a championship contender.

I like Billups very much but he's too old to have much use for a team that isn't contending.

Denver is 5-2, while playing the last 2 games without Nene and with no starter playing more than 25 minutes.
They really don't seem to miss melo, whose name they used to write MElo btw.

They're playing good, fun and entertaining team ball. We gave that to them on a silver platter.

They are not title contenders. They don't have a franchise star.


We on the other hand look like outstanding title contenders!

Keep it up Bonn. You'll see. And when the Knicks are playing like most expect you'll find a reason to pine for Mardy Collins or Mozgov.
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1/7/2012  12:42 PM
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
raven wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Gymkata wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:We have a better roster. But they've made it to the finals more recently than we have and I have more confidence in their ownership (and the 28 other teams' ownerships) than in Dolan. They'll probably suck for a while, do a genuine rebuild, and be very good again.

Dude....are you serious? Confidence in their ownership? They traded away their entire forsseable future for Deron who will not be coming back. If the Knicks did a move like that you'd be having a field day with it.

And I'm not a Dolan apologist either. But that's a silly statement to make.


They traded away their future for Deron; we did for Carmelo. This may come down simply to a debate about which owner was dumber.

Sometimes I wonder if you didn't like the Melo trade.

So maybe you can answer this question for me: what wouldn't have been too high a price to pay for Carmelo and Billups?


From what I saw of Melo in Denver, I simply did not want him on the team. They would have to have paid us to take him. (And many Denver fans are thought getting rid of him was addition by subtraction.)

That said, I do generally like what I've seen of him in his 33 games as a Knick. His shooting and decision-making have been much better. I'm still skeptical that his style of play on offense is what you want on a championship contender.

I like Billups very much but he's too old to have much use for a team that isn't contending.

Denver is 5-2, while playing the last 2 games without Nene and with no starter playing more than 25 minutes.
They really don't seem to miss melo, whose name they used to write MElo btw.

They're playing good, fun and entertaining team ball. We gave that to them on a silver platter.

They are not title contenders. They don't have a franchise star.


We on the other hand look like outstanding title contenders!

Keep it up Bonn. You'll see. And when the Knicks are playing like most expect you'll find a reason to pine for Mardy Collins or Mozgov.


You have no basis for predicting how I would respond if the Knicks played well, as they have not played well in my seven years posting here.
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1/7/2012  12:55 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
raven wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Gymkata wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:We have a better roster. But they've made it to the finals more recently than we have and I have more confidence in their ownership (and the 28 other teams' ownerships) than in Dolan. They'll probably suck for a while, do a genuine rebuild, and be very good again.

Dude....are you serious? Confidence in their ownership? They traded away their entire forsseable future for Deron who will not be coming back. If the Knicks did a move like that you'd be having a field day with it.

And I'm not a Dolan apologist either. But that's a silly statement to make.


They traded away their future for Deron; we did for Carmelo. This may come down simply to a debate about which owner was dumber.

Sometimes I wonder if you didn't like the Melo trade.

So maybe you can answer this question for me: what wouldn't have been too high a price to pay for Carmelo and Billups?


From what I saw of Melo in Denver, I simply did not want him on the team. They would have to have paid us to take him. (And many Denver fans are thought getting rid of him was addition by subtraction.)

That said, I do generally like what I've seen of him in his 33 games as a Knick. His shooting and decision-making have been much better. I'm still skeptical that his style of play on offense is what you want on a championship contender.

I like Billups very much but he's too old to have much use for a team that isn't contending.

Denver is 5-2, while playing the last 2 games without Nene and with no starter playing more than 25 minutes.
They really don't seem to miss melo, whose name they used to write MElo btw.

They're playing good, fun and entertaining team ball. We gave that to them on a silver platter.

They are not title contenders. They don't have a franchise star.


We on the other hand look like outstanding title contenders!

Keep it up Bonn. You'll see. And when the Knicks are playing like most expect you'll find a reason to pine for Mardy Collins or Mozgov.


You have no basis for predicting how I would respond if the Knicks played well, as they have not played well in my seven years posting here.

I do have that basis. Because you continue to find things wrong with Melo who is the hardest working guy on the court and trying to get everyone going. Shots+Turnovers?! Give me a break.

Go analyze your boy Durants "shots+turnovers" and criticize him for it.
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1/7/2012  12:58 PM
Or Melo or LeBron. Melo jacks up shots, without a doubt... but he is what he is and he seems to be giving a little bit more this season. He's playing a lot more in the flow of the offense and stands out when he needs. Pretty much exactly what you want.
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1/7/2012  1:26 PM
Anthony has so far met and exceeded expectations. If the Knicks can eventually put together a good streak of wins with him continuing his great play, everyone will be talking MVP.
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