gunsnewing wrote:This just doesn't sound right its too soon. I'm still in the excitement phase of starting the NBA season in which the Knicks are relevant again. I can't fathom turning the roster over again. Not yet anyway but if their play doesn't improve I will begin to give this some thought

So you would reject a Dwight Howard trade? He is so beastly - I think its a no brainer.

mrKnickShot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:This just doesn't sound right its too soon. I'm still in the excitement phase of starting the NBA season in which the Knicks are relevant again. I can't fathom turning the roster over again. Not yet anyway but if their play doesn't improve I will begin to give this some thought

So you would reject a Dwight Howard trade? He is so beastly - I think its a no brainer.

didn't say I would just cant think about it this early in the season lol

In addition, remember that BD only wanted to play here for our frontline of Stat and Melo, and because he's friends with Chandler- with 2 of those guys gone, it's very unlikely he'd sign with us again next season. In addition, no Stat would mean no shot at Steve Nash in the offseason. So that leaves us with no PG at all. Melo and Howard aren't enough to win big- honestly is this lineup actually better than what we have now?:

C- Howard, JJ
PF- Hedo (awful player on a ridiculous contract) Jorts, Jeffries
SF- Melo, Balkman
SG- Fields (or rather the ghost of Landry Fields, the way he's been playing), Shump, TD
PG- BD (for half a season), Chris Duhon (awful player, if you remember), Bibby (done), Lin

At the moment we just need to improve the SG and bench- with the Howard move we would have to get a starting PF, SG AND PG, with only the MLE and no draft picks or other tradeable assets to do it!

EnySpree wrote:Chicago and New York have identical deals to offer....its a scary idea but Howard alone would cure rebounding and defense. The Knicks could get by and sign Kenyon Martin in march....kenyon, melo, Howard, baron, and shump....I could go to war with that...

I could go to war with Amare, melo, Tyson, baron and shump too though

Identical deals to offer. We can offer 1.5 all stars, almost 2 in Stat and Chandler. We take back Glue's contract. Who can Chicago offer besides the crazy hair son of a pro tennis player guy

I really wouldn't go beyond the above deal, except maybe to offer Fields and then they would have to give us something else back. Honestly, I don't see a better deal than Stat and Chandler. If this team keeps playing like crap, they look into this. If this team starts playing good but we still don't look like a Championship caliber team, we look into this deal. Orlando would have to be absolutely stupid to not put this deal at the top of their list.

The lakers duo of Bynum and Gasol is great, I don't think they offer that for Howard, especially with an aging Koby. It would be a step back. But we are already a step back, so it makes sense for us.

Howard has to be the most overrated player in the NBA!!!!

That "obstacle" (Insurability) so cavalier by Berman to mention it is the main reason he is a knick.

How many teams can take on an 100 mil obligation without insurance?

Chicago won't gut their team to bring in a star. If they do it, they'll do it well.

Before any of us get all excited about Howard does anyone really think Turkeyglue at power forward is a good idea? Or JJ paired with Howard? That Turkeyglue and Melo could play effectively? Or are we so excited to think another star will solve our woes that we don't even think thru the roster?

Fans are more like "get a star, then how hard can it be to fill out the roster"?

Well, its not that easy is it.

Then when the reality is the team goes 2-4 its panic city around here.

Let them play thru it. No need to panic.

I think Glue at PF is terrible. But you take that deal to get Howard. This does depend on the next two months or so. Can Stat turn it around and start playing defense and jell with Chandler? If not, then we won't settle for an early exit. We have to shake things up. After this year Glue has a 11 mill year and then another at 12 (player option and of course he takes it.) Yes, that is a difficult pill to swallow. You hope and pray a change of scenery helps his game get back to being good like it was before.

Yellowboy90 - Thanks for that. I really didn't know who Chicago had and even when you throw those names out there I still don't think that deal is better than ours. Come on Stat is better alone than who ever they can offer. Chandler and Noah are closer to a wash I'd say.

After writing that out, don't get me wrong, I'm not sold on taking on Glue to get Howard. But, we have to see what we can do with it. At least now we have two EXCELLENT assets in Stat and Chandler. And, Stat's value just goes up as that deal nears completion (depending on the team).

Johnson also missed 6 of 7 3-point tries in a loss to the Miami Heat, playing without Lebron James AND Dwyane Wade. Johnson missed all three of his shots in the third overtime, when the Hawks became just the 10th team in league history to fail to score in an overtime period.

Dwight Howard
tbd
Carmelo
Joe Johnson
tbd

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