Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

In the immortal words of Sugar Ray Richerdson, "Why does this ship be sinkin'?" If you are implying that Dolan is the captian to this Titanic organization, then that is a hol' 'nother topic.

There's really no topic unrelated to this fundamental problem though. Every poster starting a topic identifying and trying to correct some minor problem is really recommending a seat switch on the Titanic.

However, Dolan was here when we made our last trip to the finals. Not sure how Dolan played a part in the lack of defense we've been seeing since MDA's tenure....

Dolan inherited a great team and it took him some time to destroy it.

Explain how Dolan himself destroyed the Knicks, starting from 99 on....

Did you miss the last decade???

Absolutely not. As a fan of this team, I think you have to appreciate his deep pockets and willingness to to improve the team. His biggest problem was hiring the wrong desicion makers (See Isiah). That in turn was a bad decision on his part so he takes the blme for that. However, I think it started with the Van Gundy/Grunfeld fiasco and it unraveled from there. Dolan is the owner so he takes a ton of blame, but its not due to lack of effort or pocketing money.

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

In the immortal words of Sugar Ray Richerdson, "Why does this ship be sinkin'?" If you are implying that Dolan is the captian to this Titanic organization, then that is a hol' 'nother topic.

There's really no topic unrelated to this fundamental problem though. Every poster starting a topic identifying and trying to correct some minor problem is really recommending a seat switch on the Titanic.

However, Dolan was here when we made our last trip to the finals. Not sure how Dolan played a part in the lack of defense we've been seeing since MDA's tenure....

Dolan inherited a great team and it took him some time to destroy it.

Explain how Dolan himself destroyed the Knicks, starting from 99 on....

that's a battle you can't win. I got reamed here by the last week before Christmas for defending Dolan. Some of the responses were angry as hell too.

colombian0725 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Just listen to you guys! You really think that this team can't and won't play better and that D'Antoni is the reason why these guys don't defend? Let's get one thing straight, since he's been here all 65[/b] different players he's had in 3 years and 6 games of this season. SIXTY FIVE!!!

And during that time how many quality PG's has he had? How long has he even had the same Pg so that he can send someone out there that knows the system and the team and what to do? Team looked good with Felton, but he had to go. Now what do we have? How much time has he had to spend on DEFENSE with players that HAVE NEVER been known to be good defenders. In fact that vast majority of the players he's had are POOR defenders.

Do I need to go over the long list in order to prove that fact? This year he has had yet even more turnover and less time to prepare the team. You know what I say to every single Knicks fan that isn't even the least bit reasonable about the crap this coach has had to endure... there are no words to describe that level of ignorance about what it takes to get a team to win. You wanna know why the teams keep looking the same to start the year it's cuz we have been playing the same broken record of change, particularly at PG, for years now and we still have very poor defenders as a major part of the rotation.

It's gonna take time to fix the mistakes, but they will get fixed and this team will get better! Most of the things the team is doing wrong are small and fixable. It's not like there are problems that are insurmountable. We've all seen this coach work his way past poor performances before so why now is everyone acting like he can't coach and get the team to play better? It's just ridiculous. [b]Let the man and his staff and the players have a chance to correct the mistakes and gel before we go off on tangents about what this coach can't do.

For the past ten years, the Knicks have made what appears to be a major change every few months. It's really just switching seats on the Titanic but if you miss the bigger picture, you may not see the pattern. Instead you will be in a chronic state of pleading for more patience, as it has only been (and will always be!) only a few weeks or at most half a season since the last major change.

I didn't know Mike D'Antoni posts on here.

Bonn1997 wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Just listen to you guys! You really think that this team can't and won't play better and that D'Antoni is the reason why these guys don't defend? Let's get one thing straight, since he's been here all 65[/b] different players he's had in 3 years and 6 games of this season. SIXTY FIVE!!!

And during that time how many quality PG's has he had? How long has he even had the same Pg so that he can send someone out there that knows the system and the team and what to do? Team looked good with Felton, but he had to go. Now what do we have? How much time has he had to spend on DEFENSE with players that HAVE NEVER been known to be good defenders. In fact that vast majority of the players he's had are POOR defenders.

Do I need to go over the long list in order to prove that fact? This year he has had yet even more turnover and less time to prepare the team. You know what I say to every single Knicks fan that isn't even the least bit reasonable about the crap this coach has had to endure... there are no words to describe that level of ignorance about what it takes to get a team to win. You wanna know why the teams keep looking the same to start the year it's cuz we have been playing the same broken record of change, particularly at PG, for years now and we still have very poor defenders as a major part of the rotation.

It's gonna take time to fix the mistakes, but they will get fixed and this team will get better! Most of the things the team is doing wrong are small and fixable. It's not like there are problems that are insurmountable. We've all seen this coach work his way past poor performances before so why now is everyone acting like he can't coach and get the team to play better? It's just ridiculous. [b]Let the man and his staff and the players have a chance to correct the mistakes and gel before we go off on tangents about what this coach can't do.

For the past ten years, the Knicks have made what appears to be a major change every few months. It's really just switching seats on the Titanic but if you miss the bigger picture, you may not see the pattern. Instead you will be in a chronic state of pleading for more patience, as it has only been (and will always be!) only a few weeks or at most half a season since the last major change.

I didn't know Mike D'Antoni posts on here.

I've been pleading for genuine rebuilding and criticizing the Dolan regime since long before D'antoni had any affiliation with the team.

I didn't mean to quote that post cause I was trying to quote Nixluva. Not you Bonn.

Bonn1997 wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Just listen to you guys! You really think that this team can't and won't play better and that D'Antoni is the reason why these guys don't defend? Let's get one thing straight, since he's been here all 65[/b] different players he's had in 3 years and 6 games of this season. SIXTY FIVE!!!

And during that time how many quality PG's has he had? How long has he even had the same Pg so that he can send someone out there that knows the system and the team and what to do? Team looked good with Felton, but he had to go. Now what do we have? How much time has he had to spend on DEFENSE with players that HAVE NEVER been known to be good defenders. In fact that vast majority of the players he's had are POOR defenders.

Do I need to go over the long list in order to prove that fact? This year he has had yet even more turnover and less time to prepare the team. You know what I say to every single Knicks fan that isn't even the least bit reasonable about the crap this coach has had to endure... there are no words to describe that level of ignorance about what it takes to get a team to win. You wanna know why the teams keep looking the same to start the year it's cuz we have been playing the same broken record of change, particularly at PG, for years now and we still have very poor defenders as a major part of the rotation.

It's gonna take time to fix the mistakes, but they will get fixed and this team will get better! Most of the things the team is doing wrong are small and fixable. It's not like there are problems that are insurmountable. We've all seen this coach work his way past poor performances before so why now is everyone acting like he can't coach and get the team to play better? It's just ridiculous. [b]Let the man and his staff and the players have a chance to correct the mistakes and gel before we go off on tangents about what this coach can't do.

For the past ten years, the Knicks have made what appears to be a major change every few months. It's really just switching seats on the Titanic but if you miss the bigger picture, you may not see the pattern. Instead you will be in a chronic state of pleading for more patience, as it has only been (and will always be!) only a few weeks or at most half a season since the last major change.

I didn't know Mike D'Antoni posts on here.

I've been pleading for genuine rebuilding and criticizing the Dolan regime since long before D'antoni had any affiliation with the team.

If the team is playing in the 2nd rd of the playoff this year, will it matter how they built the team? The goal is to build a team that can vie for a title. It doesn't matter if you build it the pure way or thru moves. Right now they need to have some continuity. They need time to let this thing gel.

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Just listen to you guys! You really think that this team can't and won't play better and that D'Antoni is the reason why these guys don't defend? Let's get one thing straight, since he's been here all 65[/b] different players he's had in 3 years and 6 games of this season. SIXTY FIVE!!!

And during that time how many quality PG's has he had? How long has he even had the same Pg so that he can send someone out there that knows the system and the team and what to do? Team looked good with Felton, but he had to go. Now what do we have? How much time has he had to spend on DEFENSE with players that HAVE NEVER been known to be good defenders. In fact that vast majority of the players he's had are POOR defenders.

Do I need to go over the long list in order to prove that fact? This year he has had yet even more turnover and less time to prepare the team. You know what I say to every single Knicks fan that isn't even the least bit reasonable about the crap this coach has had to endure... there are no words to describe that level of ignorance about what it takes to get a team to win. You wanna know why the teams keep looking the same to start the year it's cuz we have been playing the same broken record of change, particularly at PG, for years now and we still have very poor defenders as a major part of the rotation.

It's gonna take time to fix the mistakes, but they will get fixed and this team will get better! Most of the things the team is doing wrong are small and fixable. It's not like there are problems that are insurmountable. We've all seen this coach work his way past poor performances before so why now is everyone acting like he can't coach and get the team to play better? It's just ridiculous. [b]Let the man and his staff and the players have a chance to correct the mistakes and gel before we go off on tangents about what this coach can't do.

For the past ten years, the Knicks have made what appears to be a major change every few months. It's really just switching seats on the Titanic but if you miss the bigger picture, you may not see the pattern. Instead you will be in a chronic state of pleading for more patience, as it has only been (and will always be!) only a few weeks or at most half a season since the last major change.

I didn't know Mike D'Antoni posts on here.

I've been pleading for genuine rebuilding and criticizing the Dolan regime since long before D'antoni had any affiliation with the team.

If the team is playing in the 2nd rd of the playoff this year, will it matter how they built the team? The goal is to build a team that can vie for a title. It doesn't matter if you build it the pure way or thru moves. Right now they need to have some continuity. They need time to let this thing gel.

colombian0725 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Just listen to you guys! You really think that this team can't and won't play better and that D'Antoni is the reason why these guys don't defend? Let's get one thing straight, since he's been here all 65[/b] different players he's had in 3 years and 6 games of this season. SIXTY FIVE!!!

And during that time how many quality PG's has he had? How long has he even had the same Pg so that he can send someone out there that knows the system and the team and what to do? Team looked good with Felton, but he had to go. Now what do we have? How much time has he had to spend on DEFENSE with players that HAVE NEVER been known to be good defenders. In fact that vast majority of the players he's had are POOR defenders.

Do I need to go over the long list in order to prove that fact? This year he has had yet even more turnover and less time to prepare the team. You know what I say to every single Knicks fan that isn't even the least bit reasonable about the crap this coach has had to endure... there are no words to describe that level of ignorance about what it takes to get a team to win. You wanna know why the teams keep looking the same to start the year it's cuz we have been playing the same broken record of change, particularly at PG, for years now and we still have very poor defenders as a major part of the rotation.

It's gonna take time to fix the mistakes, but they will get fixed and this team will get better! Most of the things the team is doing wrong are small and fixable. It's not like there are problems that are insurmountable. We've all seen this coach work his way past poor performances before so why now is everyone acting like he can't coach and get the team to play better? It's just ridiculous. [b]Let the man and his staff and the players have a chance to correct the mistakes and gel before we go off on tangents about what this coach can't do.

For the past ten years, the Knicks have made what appears to be a major change every few months. It's really just switching seats on the Titanic but if you miss the bigger picture, you may not see the pattern. Instead you will be in a chronic state of pleading for more patience, as it has only been (and will always be!) only a few weeks or at most half a season since the last major change.

I didn't know Mike D'Antoni posts on here.

I've been pleading for genuine rebuilding and criticizing the Dolan regime since long before D'antoni had any affiliation with the team.

I didn't mean to quote that post cause I was trying to quote Nixluva. Not you Bonn.

nixluva wrote:Just listen to you guys! You really think that this team can't and won't play better and that D'Antoni is the reason why these guys don't defend? Let's get one thing straight, since he's been here all 65[/b] different players he's had in 3 years and 6 games of this season. SIXTY FIVE!!!

And during that time how many quality PG's has he had? How long has he even had the same Pg so that he can send someone out there that knows the system and the team and what to do? Team looked good with Felton, but he had to go. Now what do we have? How much time has he had to spend on DEFENSE with players that HAVE NEVER been known to be good defenders. In fact that vast majority of the players he's had are POOR defenders.

Do I need to go over the long list in order to prove that fact? This year he has had yet even more turnover and less time to prepare the team. You know what I say to every single Knicks fan that isn't even the least bit reasonable about the crap this coach has had to endure... there are no words to describe that level of ignorance about what it takes to get a team to win. You wanna know why the teams keep looking the same to start the year it's cuz we have been playing the same broken record of change, particularly at PG, for years now and we still have very poor defenders as a major part of the rotation.

It's gonna take time to fix the mistakes, but they will get fixed and this team will get better! Most of the things the team is doing wrong are small and fixable. It's not like there are problems that are insurmountable. We've all seen this coach work his way past poor performances before so why now is everyone acting like he can't coach and get the team to play better? It's just ridiculous. [b]Let the man and his staff and the players have a chance to correct the mistakes and gel before we go off on tangents about what this coach can't do.

Diaw had gone for 27 points and six assists to deliver the Knicks a 118-110 defeat. After one of the most embarrassing losses of D’Antoni’s uninspiring run as Knicks coach, Diaw reflected, “It makes me remember the way we played in Phoenix.”

Yes, they’ll always have Phoenix. They’ll always have those memories together. And they’ll always have this truth about their NBA careers: Without Steve Nash, nothing was ever the same again.

“There’s no two like Steve in the world,” Diaw said. “You’ve got to be able to adapt. The reactions are made in a tenth of a second – the reactions, the readings. It’s a lot of cuts, a lot of screens. You’ve got to read pretty quickly, and Steve Nash was the best at it.

“He still is, in my opinion.”

So, Boris Diaw’s belly jiggled, the ball amazingly kept falling into the basket, and Diaw owed it all to his old coach. This is your life, Mike D’Antoni. Steve Nash is gone, and nothing will ever be the same again.

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