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MSG3 wrote:Anybody but Fields. I like the kid but he's completely lost. No confidence whatsoever. Shump was unreal tonight. But so was Jorts in Sacramento. Let's see him put. Few good ones together.

Bu based on what fields is doing I agree Shump should start.

you risk losing him forever if you do that though

I for one don't really care if he is lost forever. Improvement doesn't seem like it's coming. Is he all of a sudden gonna start hitting open shots? Or gain a better handle? Or gain some play making abilities? It's way too much coddling of Fields and TD. Sometimes u need to be insulted or benched. It's called accountability. That's why they chuck up so many bad shots cause they have no fear of consequences.

I'm not big on starting rookies out of the gate because it leads to problems later. Fields being a good example

Every Player is different. Shump will never have a confidence issue which is the major factor to the so called "Rookie Wall".

I know the Knicks have immediate considerations to address. But you try to put young professionals in a situation to succeed consistently.

If Shumpert is getting 30 minutes anyway, I say let him beat up on the opponent's second team. The Knicks need someone for that role anyway

So u don't mind us continually stinking it up to begin the game and bringing in our strongest guard when we are down double digits. That's the recipe for success? It's easier to sustain a lead then to come back from a deficit. I would understand your concept if one of our backcourt guys was strong...but with both TD and Fields stinking it up there is no excuse not to start Shumpert right now.

We're going to continue to disagree... you are trying to maximize the results of the next game. I am saying the Knicks should do what's best for Shumpert's career as I believe that that is what is best for the franchise. You bring in an experienced professional and throw him into the fire when expectations are high. Maybe you start Shump when he shows consistently that he is the best available option, but he hasn't done that yet because he hasn't even played 100 minutes yet

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MSG3 wrote:Anybody but Fields. I like the kid but he's completely lost. No confidence whatsoever. Shump was unreal tonight. But so was Jorts in Sacramento. Let's see him put. Few good ones together.

Bu based on what fields is doing I agree Shump should start.

you risk losing him forever if you do that though

I for one don't really care if he is lost forever. Improvement doesn't seem like it's coming. Is he all of a sudden gonna start hitting open shots? Or gain a better handle? Or gain some play making abilities? It's way too much coddling of Fields and TD. Sometimes u need to be insulted or benched. It's called accountability. That's why they chuck up so many bad shots cause they have no fear of consequences.

I'm not big on starting rookies out of the gate because it leads to problems later. Fields being a good example

Every Player is different. Shump will never have a confidence issue which is the major factor to the so called "Rookie Wall".

I know the Knicks have immediate considerations to address. But you try to put young professionals in a situation to succeed consistently.

If Shumpert is getting 30 minutes anyway, I say let him beat up on the opponent's second team. The Knicks need someone for that role anyway

So u don't mind us continually stinking it up to begin the game and bringing in our strongest guard when we are down double digits. That's the recipe for success? It's easier to sustain a lead then to come back from a deficit. I would understand your concept if one of our backcourt guys was strong...but with both TD and Fields stinking it up there is no excuse not to start Shumpert right now.

We're going to continue to disagree... you are trying to maximize the results of the next game. I am saying the Knicks should do what's best for Shumpert's career as I believe that that is what is best for the franchise. You bring in an experienced professional and throw him into the fire when expectations are high. Maybe you start Shump when he shows consistently that he is the best available option, but he hasn't done that yet because he hasn't even played 100 minutes yet

No I'm speaking long term as well. Better to get him through the growing pains early in the season since it's clear he is our best option at SG. I agree with u to certain extent but other rookies have started and relished the role or learned even more by experiencing the "rookie mistakes". We can't afford to have such a terrible starting backcourt. It's arguably the worst starting back court in the NBA. It's a disservice to the fans and to the frontline when u don't have one back court guy who can penetrate or create.

Mray20 wrote:Shump deserves to start he's the best 2 guard we have I don't care about Fields confidence anymore he was exposed he was only good in the open court system he is not good in the half court which is why once Melo came here he went down.

Exactly!

BigSm00th wrote:after 52 combined minutes in the NBA, it is blatantly obvious that douglas is better than both fields and douglas. either at the point (over toney) or at the 2 (over landry), shumpert brings better D, more confident offense, and a discernible swagger. toney plays nervous, and landry looks like he's about to **** his pants for some reason.

toney and landry are 2nd unit guys masquerading as starters. shumpert should start the next game (over landry), and once baron gets back, he and iman should be the starting backcourt.

already we need changes.

AnubisADL wrote:Shumpert definitely has NBA talent. I dont see him playing PG ever though. I suggest he hone his skills as a SG or scorer off the bench.

Shumpert is the best playmaker we have for the time being. So he will do it until a better one shows up (hopefully Baron Davis)

I dont think you hurt his development when asking him to set up the offense for a while.

smackeddog wrote:I think TD gets an unfair amount of hate- he's a bit of a John Starks kind of player for me- he can be maddening, but can also come through with some clutch baskets and tough defensive plays. I think we'll appreciate him a lot more once he can return to coming off the bench.

I say keep Shumpert on the bench- he'd disrupt the offense as a starter a bit (he, Melo and Stat take a lot of shots), plus he gives us some scoring off the bench, and has less pressure with a reserve role too.

Feilds, i'm losing patience with- it's been almost a year since he actually played well. See how he does a s a back up SF, but I'm not sure who you play at the starting 2.

First, Douglas may get a steal here and there, but he doesn't get in the offensive players jersey as Starks did.

Second, I see what you are saying about Shump on the offensive end, needing shots and all, but he's the only one who can dribble-drive into the paint, collapse the defense and create open looks for teammates. also, we need him at the start of the game moreso on the defensive end. He is a disrupter more than anything. Feilds struggles gaurding 2' and running ff picks. Shump can help our lethargic defense kick into gear when the game starts.

gunsnewing wrote:Shump will make Melo better. Melo is not going to be afaid to pass him the ball

This is a very good point. This team is still weak offensively outside of Melo and Stat. They only trust each other to score the basketball. Shumpert will change that.