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Allanfan20
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12/30/2011  1:15 PM
misterearl wrote:Bannable Offense

"Marbury was a great passing SG. Maybe the best passing SG in NBA history."

Jerry West. Oscar Robertson. Earl Monroe. Hell... Sam Jones was a much better passer than Marbury. NBA history did not start in the 1980s

Pearl was a SF. Oscar and Jerry were PGs.

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12/30/2011  1:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/30/2011  1:29 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
misterearl wrote:Bannable Offense

"Marbury was a great passing SG. Maybe the best passing SG in NBA history."

Jerry West. Oscar Robertson. Earl Monroe. Hell... Sam Jones was a much better passer than Marbury. NBA history did not start in the 1980s

Pearl was a SF. Oscar and Jerry were PGs.

How about Lebron James or Michael Jordan. I'd argue both of these guys were/are SG's and are better passers than Marbs. What abotu Joe Dumars, Pete Maravich etc. We can pretend we are in a barbershop and argue who was the greatest passing SG of all time forever. But none of that has anything to do with the point I was making about TD. Unfortunately the nostalgia police sabotaged my greatness

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12/30/2011  1:23 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
misterearl wrote:Bannable Offense

"Marbury was a great passing SG. Maybe the best passing SG in NBA history."

Jerry West. Oscar Robertson. Earl Monroe. Hell... Sam Jones was a much better passer than Marbury. NBA history did not start in the 1980s

Pearl was a SF. Oscar and Jerry were PGs.

How about Lebron James or Michael Jordan. I'd argue both of these guys were/are SG's and are better passers than Marbs. What abotu Joe Dumars, Pete Maravich etc. We can pretend we are in a barbershop and argue who was the greatest passing PG of all time forever. But none of that has anything to do with the point I was making about TD. Unfortunately the nostalgia police sabotaged my greatness

I think you are just still mad about the Balkman foul. Just watch the LJ 4 point play and you'll feel better.

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12/30/2011  1:26 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
misterearl wrote:Bannable Offense

"Marbury was a great passing SG. Maybe the best passing SG in NBA history."

Jerry West. Oscar Robertson. Earl Monroe. Hell... Sam Jones was a much better passer than Marbury. NBA history did not start in the 1980s

Pearl was a SF. Oscar and Jerry were PGs.


When did Earl the Pearl play SF? Am I missing something?????

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12/30/2011  1:28 PM
Uptown wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
misterearl wrote:Bannable Offense

"Marbury was a great passing SG. Maybe the best passing SG in NBA history."

Jerry West. Oscar Robertson. Earl Monroe. Hell... Sam Jones was a much better passer than Marbury. NBA history did not start in the 1980s

Pearl was a SF. Oscar and Jerry were PGs.


When did Earl the Pearl play SF? Am I missing something?????

Wasn't Dick Barnett our 2?

Clyde
Barnett
Pearl
Dave DB
Willis

“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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12/30/2011  1:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/30/2011  1:30 PM
That's it, the next person to mention a player that played prior to 2000 is receiving a virus courtesy of the Bip. You have one day
I just hope that people will like me
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12/30/2011  1:33 PM
I hear Shawn Kemp could make 13,669 posts in one day.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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12/30/2011  1:38 PM
don't be jealous because I post hot fire

Here's a riddle for you

Question: What's the difference between the Bip and the greatest poster of all time????
Answer: Absolutely nothing.

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12/30/2011  1:39 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
misterearl wrote:Bannable Offense

"Marbury was a great passing SG. Maybe the best passing SG in NBA history."

Jerry West. Oscar Robertson. Earl Monroe. Hell... Sam Jones was a much better passer than Marbury. NBA history did not start in the 1980s

Pearl was a SF. Oscar and Jerry were PGs.


When did Earl the Pearl play SF? Am I missing something?????

Wasn't Dick Barnett our 2?

Clyde
Barnett
Pearl
Dave DB
Willis

Starting 5

Clyde pg
Pearl SG
Bradley Sf
DB PF
Willis C

Barnett came off the bench....

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12/30/2011  1:41 PM
The thing that drives me the craziest is how TD is allergic to playing close to the basket. The dude stops his dribble 5 feet behind the 3pt line and tries to setup the offense from there. It's infuriating to see over and over. He seems to be uncomfortable dribbling in traffic and so he stays out on the perimeter and that forces poor long passes and even worse it forces the bigs to come way out to set picks. The one thing you don't want is STAT and Tyson to be setting picks too far away from the basket. They need to be within 2 steps at the most! TD never gives those guys the ball in prime position to finish. TD/Melo also kills off the corner 3 for guys like Novak. They never see the ball.

One thing I noticed is that besides the horrendous PG play from TD, they also haven't gotten anyone else besides Melo to get hot. Sometimes you need a few breaks just to get the monkey off your back. Tyson is missing point blank shots. STAT isn't hitting his usual midrange jumpers and neither TD nor Fields are hitting their 3's. Just one strong shooting game can make a difference. I think this is what MDA and the coaches were banking on. None of them really believe TD is a PG!!! What they hoped for was just enough shooting and ball movement to get by. So far early on, none of the guys is shooting well.

Just not enough good touches. Last year STAT got WAY more touches than he's getting and it is effecting the offense negatively. I'm hoping to see Lin get into some game action after having some practice time today.

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12/30/2011  1:44 PM
nixluva wrote:The thing that drives me the craziest is how TD is allergic to playing close to the basket. The dude stops his dribble 5 feet behind the 3pt line and tries to setup the offense from there. It's infuriating to see over and over. He seems to be uncomfortable dribbling in traffic and so he stays out on the perimeter and that forces poor long passes and even worse it forces the bigs to come way out to set picks. The one thing you don't want is STAT and Tyson to be setting picks too far away from the basket. They need to be within 2 steps at the most! TD never gives those guys the ball in prime position to finish. TD/Melo also kills off the corner 3 for guys like Novak. They never see the ball.

One thing I noticed is that besides the horrendous PG play from TD, they also haven't gotten anyone else besides Melo to get hot. Sometimes you need a few breaks just to get the monkey off your back. Tyson is missing point blank shots. STAT isn't hitting his usual midrange jumpers and neither TD nor Fields are hitting their 3's. Just one strong shooting game can make a difference. I think this is what MDA and the coaches were banking on. None of them really believe TD is a PG!!! What they hoped for was just enough shooting and ball movement to get by. So far early on, none of the guys is shooting well.

Just not enough good touches. Last year STAT got WAY more touches than he's getting and it is effecting the offense negatively. I'm hoping to see Lin get into some game action after having some practice time today.

Nixluva: thanks for getting us back on topic. He's doing these things becasue he's not a PG. We want him to be, but he's not.

We aren't hitting shots because we are out of sync. Very poor passing, guys playing out of position, no PG, new team that did not have a training camp. It's not going to be like this all year. It's been 3 games.

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12/30/2011  1:50 PM
Progress comes in stages. spurts lead to consistency.

Work in progress.

Maybe. Maybe not.

the games will sort it out.

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12/30/2011  2:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/30/2011  2:04 PM
In Marbury's defense(wow can't believe im saying this) The Knicks never surrounded him with good players and then he started to pout. The only time he looked good was when he played with KVH for a week with Mutombo anchoring the D. Then Zeke decided to get younger more athletic TT & Nazr Then Marbury was surrounded with Chicago cast-offs Jamal & Curry
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12/30/2011  3:06 PM
nixluva wrote:The thing that drives me the craziest is how TD is allergic to playing close to the basket. The dude stops his dribble 5 feet behind the 3pt line and tries to setup the offense from there. It's infuriating to see over and over. He seems to be uncomfortable dribbling in traffic and so he stays out on the perimeter and that forces poor long passes and even worse it forces the bigs to come way out to set picks. The one thing you don't want is STAT and Tyson to be setting picks too far away from the basket. They need to be within 2 steps at the most! TD never gives those guys the ball in prime position to finish. TD/Melo also kills off the corner 3 for guys like Novak. They never see the ball.

One thing I noticed is that besides the horrendous PG play from TD, they also haven't gotten anyone else besides Melo to get hot. Sometimes you need a few breaks just to get the monkey off your back. Tyson is missing point blank shots. STAT isn't hitting his usual midrange jumpers and neither TD nor Fields are hitting their 3's. Just one strong shooting game can make a difference. I think this is what MDA and the coaches were banking on. None of them really believe TD is a PG!!! What they hoped for was just enough shooting and ball movement to get by. So far early on, none of the guys is shooting well.

Just not enough good touches. Last year STAT got WAY more touches than he's getting and it is effecting the offense negatively. I'm hoping to see Lin get into some game action after having some practice time today.

With these Knicks we live and die by the jump shot - thats not a good recipe for winning. We need to win grind out games (even if we are not having a good shooting night). Stupid early shot clock jump shots don't help either. I find it to be a style that is not suited for the Knicks (maybe it worked in phx but not here)

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12/30/2011  4:01 PM
Like Nalod said, it's a process...Progress in stages...When TD left in the the first quarter the Knicks were up by 6 or 7 points...When he came back in the game in the second quarter the Knicks were down 5-7 points...At which time Melo and STAT were taking the ball doing one on one after we pass half court...It's a process...Slow as we go...TD can get there...He need confidence...There are flashes...He needs the reps...
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12/30/2011  4:05 PM
I like TD because he hustles and plays hard, but he looks so much more comfortable as a 2 than a 1. I think he shoots better when someone passes him the ball, and he sometimes has trouble dribbling without looking at the ball, so when he looks down, he misses open teammates. He also does not seem to see the play develop in advance, which is needed to be a good 1.
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12/30/2011  4:21 PM
holfresh wrote:Like Nalod said, it's a process...Progress in stages...When TD left in the the first quarter the Knicks were up by 6 or 7 points...When he came back in the game in the second quarter the Knicks were down 5-7 points...At which time Melo and STAT were taking the ball doing one on one after we pass half court...It's a process...Slow as we go...TD can get there...He need confidence...There are flashes...He needs the reps...

Or we can get a PG, make Douglas a back up combo guard, and suddenly, we'll be loving Douglas again because he will be playing to his strengths. Hitting open shots, penetration when the opportunity presents itself, and defending.

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12/30/2011  4:31 PM
umynot wrote:TD played five good minutes last night. Def not whole first half!

Second half HE SUCKED! Like usual as a PG

He passes decent for a SG which is what TD is

Both losses are on him simply because with TD handling the ball we have no flow!

We have a 7 sec or less type offense but it takes TD 15 before he stops running in circles.
He simply can't see the passing lane. Never throws the oop to our high flyers
I think sadly Dudu was a better distributer on our team the this kid!

Iman getting hurt set us back cause when he played ball was moving much better now it's one pass
And shoot or one on one basketball!

TD at best is a back up SG

TD is a third string back up role player. But I think saying the losses are on him is unfair. He didn't ask or choose to be our starting PG, he is trying his best to fill a gap in our roster that has been created by injury issues/trades/amnesty clauses et al. Like others have said he has a limited set of skills which are not suited to PG play. What's on him is deciding to chuck contested three pointers early in the shot clock, that part is completely on him.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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12/30/2011  4:34 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Like Nalod said, it's a process...Progress in stages...When TD left in the the first quarter the Knicks were up by 6 or 7 points...When he came back in the game in the second quarter the Knicks were down 5-7 points...At which time Melo and STAT were taking the ball doing one on one after we pass half court...It's a process...Slow as we go...TD can get there...He need confidence...There are flashes...He needs the reps...

Or we can get a PG, make Douglas a back up combo guard, and suddenly, we'll be loving Douglas again because he will be playing to his strengths. Hitting open shots, penetration when the opportunity presents itself, and defending.

this is *exactly* what's up... he's being asked to do something he shouldn't be asked to do. yes, the Knicks need an upgrade at the position. but that's hardly his fault that coaching and management decided to rob Peter to pay Paul. this isn't some new revelation that the Knicks' backcourt will pretty much always be worse than the competition... TD keeps getting blasted for his shortcomings yet there's deafening silence about how TD wasn't exactly put in a position to succeed

DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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12/30/2011  4:36 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Like Nalod said, it's a process...Progress in stages...When TD left in the the first quarter the Knicks were up by 6 or 7 points...When he came back in the game in the second quarter the Knicks were down 5-7 points...At which time Melo and STAT were taking the ball doing one on one after we pass half court...It's a process...Slow as we go...TD can get there...He need confidence...There are flashes...He needs the reps...

Or we can get a PG, make Douglas a back up combo guard, and suddenly, we'll be loving Douglas again because he will be playing to his strengths. Hitting open shots, penetration when the opportunity presents itself, and defending.

this is *exactly* what's up... he's being asked to do something he shouldn't be asked to do. yes, the Knicks need an upgrade at the position. but that's hardly his fault that coaching and management decided to rob Peter to pay Paul. this isn't some new revelation that the Knicks' backcourt will pretty much always be worse than the competition... TD keeps getting blasted for his shortcomings yet there's deafening silence about how TD wasn't exactly put in a position to succeed

Well, actually that's what I thought I was posting

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
TD is starting to get it...

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