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12/29/2011  11:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2011  11:20 AM
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Bonn1997 wrote:People thought Hollinger's 35-31 prediction was pure hate but he may have been overly optimistic for the Knicks. Maybe Lin helps us or maybe Davis comes back healthy. If not, this is looking more like a .450 team.

oh, please.
way to overreact.

was thinking the same thing but didn't know how to word it without sounding like an *******. i think you hit it lol.


What winning percentage do you think the rotation we've seen in the past two games would have? They've gone 15-19 since the Melo trade.

i've said that i think this year is going to be like the '99 season - lots of ups and downs as the team learns to play together. they're gonna look horrible a lot of nights. i don't care what their record is, as long as they make the playoffs. i think it's going to be ugly until baron is ready, because toney is an atrocious point guard.

i'm not debating they have problems, just lamenting that people are already talking about what their final record will be on a sample size of FOUR GAMES (2 pre-season, 2 reg) and projecting things downward based on a loss. if the knicks are gonna be a .450 team, what are the 0-3 celtics? i just think it's early and impossible to judge this team without iman and baron playing. and don't forget, everyone's pal kmart, who i can pretty much guarantee you will be here by mid-march. this team, this season, is a work in progress. same for most of the league.

clips lost by 30 last night, i wonder if their fans are off the lob city bandwagon?

also, anyone worried about their record hasn't seen the rest of the East - which is HORRIBLE. knicks will win a lot of games against the pathetic east. i'm not worried about their record, i'm worried about fixing the point guard position so this team can actually do something in the playoffs.

i think baron can be the answer, like a real honest to god starter at point guard who makes other guys better and hits clutch shots. time will tell.

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12/29/2011  11:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2011  11:22 AM
crzymdups wrote:clips lost by 30 last night, i wonder if their fans are off the lob city bandwagon?

you're right! clippers blew it. their season is over. lakers too. and mavericks. and boston. and the knicks.

indiana v. new orleans in the finals. bank on it.

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12/29/2011  11:22 AM
Look, the bottom line is we're going to struggle early- maybe even for a month or two- we've got too many new players and not enough practice time. But how we are playing now, isn't how we will play for ever more- people seem to forget that we can improve the more we play. It felt awful watching that 3rd Q vs Boston, and all of the second half vs Golden State, but we need to show a bit of patience.

Here is some perspective:

Steve Nash this season is averaging 9pts on 33% shooting, 6.5 assists and 5 turnovers.

Dallas, Boston and Memphis are winless.

Do you really think thats how things will stay? Sure I'd love it if we'd hit the ground running like Denver, Miami and OKC, but we've never done that- we always seem to get off to slow starts, and have these crisis- you should all know by now that the life of a knicks team and fan, is never a smooth one.
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12/29/2011  11:24 AM
smackeddog wrote:Look, the bottom line is we're going to struggle early- maybe even for a month or two- we've got too many new players and not enough practice time. But how we are playing now, isn't how we will play for ever more- people seem to forget that we can improve the more we play. It felt awful watching that 3rd Q vs Boston, and all of the second half vs Golden State, but we need to show a bit of patience.

Here is some perspective:

Steve Nash this season is averaging 9pts on 33% shooting, 6.5 assists and 5 turnovers.

Dallas, Boston and Memphis are winless.

Do you really think thats how things will stay? Sure I'd love it if we'd hit the ground running like Denver, Miami and OKC, but we've never done that- we always seem to get off to slow starts, and have these crisis- you should all know by now that the life of a knicks team and fan, is never a smooth one.

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12/29/2011  11:36 AM
smackeddog wrote:Look, the bottom line is we're going to struggle early- maybe even for a month or two- we've got too many new players and not enough practice time. But how we are playing now, isn't how we will play for ever more- people seem to forget that we can improve the more we play. It felt awful watching that 3rd Q vs Boston, and all of the second half vs Golden State, but we need to show a bit of patience.

Here is some perspective:

Steve Nash this season is averaging 9pts on 33% shooting, 6.5 assists and 5 turnovers.

Dallas, Boston and Memphis are winless.

Do you really think thats how things will stay? Sure I'd love it if we'd hit the ground running like Denver, Miami and OKC, but we've never done that- we always seem to get off to slow starts, and have these crisis- you should all know by now that the life of a knicks team and fan, is never a smooth one.

Also, the Lakers are 1-2 with a loss to the Kings, the Clippers are 1-1 and got destroyed by the Spurs, and New Orleans is undefeated and winning their division right now. They've only been practicing and playing basketball for bout a month, meanwhile, we've got almost an entirely new team from the start of last season plus they're still learning a Mike Woodson's brand new defense. Could we maybe wait a month before declaring us the worst team in the league?

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12/29/2011  11:39 AM
There is a reason to panic right now. Our season depends on Baron Davis. I believe he will shine once he comes back, but right now we have Toney Douglas, Mike Bibby, Jeremy Lin and Landry fields in our backcourt.

For everything that Melo brings, he hasn't brought winning or a noticable difference. Everyone was annointing Melo after game one and saying the trade was amazing, but since it went down Amare isn't the same player.

We used our amnesity on a player we didn't need to sign in the first place for a guy that has being traded from team to team for virtually nothing. Giving Tyson Chandler 13MM a year was a big gamble.

Early season struggles are one thing (Who Nash and Deron have to pass the ball too?) and a lack of effort is something else. Are you ****ing kidding me Chandler 3rbs in both games. That's embarrassing. Might as well start Balkman at center. I'm sick of this team coming out flat. These guys are all young enough that effort should never be an issue.
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12/29/2011  11:42 AM
MS wrote:There is a reason to panic right now. Our season depends on Baron Davis.

That's enough reason to panic.

Two max guys and a 13m center, and our season depends on a way-past-his-prime point guard with a bad back who hasn't played since April 2011 and might not play until February or March 2012?

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12/29/2011  11:51 AM
there no system, or ball movement, and penetration.
3rd quarter falls again =T
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12/29/2011  11:52 AM
They're tied at 64 to end the third.
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12/29/2011  12:00 PM
I'm just saying, when Melo has the ball the other players are standing around.
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12/29/2011  12:01 PM
MS wrote:There is a reason to panic right now. Our season depends on Baron Davis. I believe he will shine once he comes back, but right now we have Toney Douglas, Mike Bibby, Jeremy Lin and Landry fields in our backcourt.

For everything that Melo brings, he hasn't brought winning or a noticable difference. Everyone was annointing Melo after game one and saying the trade was amazing, but since it went down Amare isn't the same player.
We used our amnesity on a player we didn't need to sign in the first place for a guy that has being traded from team to team for virtually nothing. Giving Tyson Chandler 13MM a year was a big gamble.

Early season struggles are one thing (Who Nash and Deron have to pass the ball too?) and a lack of effort is something else. Are you ****ing kidding me Chandler 3rbs in both games. That's embarrassing. Might as well start Balkman at center. I'm sick of this team coming out flat. These guys are all young enough that effort should never be an issue.

Amare isn't the same player, not because of Melo, but because we shipped our pg (Felton) out and didn't get one back in return. Had we kept Felton in the Melo trade, Amare would be fine. Felton and Amare had developed pretty good chemistry and were a formidable pick and roll tandem as the season wore on.

When Felton was replaced by Billups in the lineup, Amre wasn't getting the same looks. Billups was too busy hoiting up three's ans see Amare. Now we've downgraded even further with Douglas who plays with blinders on. Get a legit pg in here who can run some pick and roll and who alos plays with some improvisation, and you'll see a better Amare and a better team overall. Right now, everyone has to get baskets on their own...
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12/29/2011  12:12 PM
There is no reason to panic. If we get better PG play from playing Lin more minutes or if Mike D can make the offense flow like it should, we will be fine.
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12/29/2011  12:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2011  12:36 PM
eViL wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:People thought Hollinger's 35-31 prediction was pure hate but he may have been overly optimistic for the Knicks. Maybe Lin helps us or maybe Davis comes back healthy. If not, this is looking more like a .450 team.

oh, please.
way to overreact.

was thinking the same thing but didn't know how to word it without sounding like an *******. i think you hit it lol.


What winning percentage do you think the rotation we've seen in the past two games would have? They've gone 15-19 since the Melo trade.

your favorite flawless player Deron Williams is averaging 5asts and 5TO's.

He is injured and has no one but d league players to pass to. What do you expect?
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12/29/2011  1:19 PM
Umm... this was the second game of the season and the 4th that they've played together. They are 1-1 in regular season play and they are 3-1 overall. The roster is highly turned over... not to be an apologist for last night's failures, but c'mon? Lets not be defeatist either. We are going to have bad nights. And we will be better with a healthier team. This doesn't change overnight. Build a franchise, not a flash in the pan.
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12/29/2011  2:11 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
eViL wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:People thought Hollinger's 35-31 prediction was pure hate but he may have been overly optimistic for the Knicks. Maybe Lin helps us or maybe Davis comes back healthy. If not, this is looking more like a .450 team.

oh, please.
way to overreact.

was thinking the same thing but didn't know how to word it without sounding like an *******. i think you hit it lol.


What winning percentage do you think the rotation we've seen in the past two games would have? They've gone 15-19 since the Melo trade.

your favorite flawless player Deron Williams is averaging 5asts and 5TO's.

He is injured and has no one but d league players to pass to. What do you expect?

wow. so there is a context that explains the results.

similar to two scoring forwards who have to adjust to each other's game?

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12/29/2011  2:24 PM
I think when you look at Deron passing to: Morrow, Shelden Williams, Shawne Williams, Petro, Humpries, Damion James there is a tremendous context. He doesn't have a big man to draw doubles and his team is offensively limited.

Same goes with Steve Nash, his best offensive player is Channing Frye.
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12/29/2011  4:39 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:People thought Hollinger's 35-31 prediction was pure hate but he may have been overly optimistic for the Knicks. Maybe Lin helps us or maybe Davis comes back healthy. If not, this is looking more like a .450 team.
yup.. and the Celtics will go 0-66
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12/29/2011  4:54 PM
Brigg's starts a thread, and the sum total of what he wants us to write about is limited to the two words "very concerning".

Why Briggs? The Knicks were expected by everyone to play poorly for at least the first 10 or 20 games. Since they have only played 2 games so far, what specifically is your concern?
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12/29/2011  5:33 PM
People panicking are silly. Yes, our PG play has been pretty awful and that's why we are relying on Melo to be a "point foward", a position that doesn't suit him (Which isn't his fault). If Melo and Stat both had even decent days then we'd be talking about how we won the game despite a spirited comback by the Warriors. They shot bad. It will come back to them.

What IS concerning is out backcourt defense. It's simply awful and the fact that we are now developing early high hopes for Davis, Lin and Shumpert speaks volumes to how bad the PG play has been.

The funny thing is this isn't TDs fault. His game is his game. He's best as the combo guard or backup scoring PG off the bench, ala Bobby Jackson. Fields HAS to make better decisions though. I'm really surprised by some of the bad decisions he made. I'm happy he's being aggresive but it's being crossed off by the TOs and inconsistency.

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12/29/2011  6:12 PM
eViL wrote:
crzymdups wrote:clips lost by 30 last night, i wonder if their fans are off the lob city bandwagon?

you're right! clippers blew it. their season is over. lakers too. and mavericks. and boston. and the knicks.

indiana v. new orleans in the finals. bank on it.

LAKERS, mavs and boston all have rings, they are aging teams, but they have proven they can win... the clippers are nobody's now, so why are we setting our standards with the clippers? we should have high expectations, we paid for a bentley and damnit we should get one... but most of us could see this coming the minute melo pulled his power move to get here.... this is what you get... no depth, no cohesion, no assets.....

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