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PresIke
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12/21/2011  1:23 PM
i'd take k-mart.

we need front court depth. he provides that and can defend.

he might just wind up with us.

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12/21/2011  2:51 PM
misterearl wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
misterearl wrote:I do not like him

Do not like his game, his demeanor, his verbal skills.

Do not like the fact he played with the Nets or his tats.

Do not like his preening, his age or his face.

Do not like his ego alongside the egos we already have.

Do not like him on my New York Knicks.

No to Kenyon Martin

I kind of agree that I don't like his attitude. He's kind of a punk. or as Tim Thomas would say, "Fugazi."

He probably IS the best front court addition out there, though.

Curious to know if anyone knows whether he and Melo are tight or not. I feel like that could make a difference.

I feel the same way about signing Kenyon Martin as i did when the Knicks signed Jalen Rose or acquired Steve Francis. It did not feel right.It was not visionary nor did their tenure last longer than a few minutes.

Enough with the short-term mercenaries.

Let's grow some of our own yoots and build the heart and soul.

Any person who mentions trading Landry Fields, Jerome Jordan, Iman Shumpert or Josh Harrellson is permanently banned.

No more signings for the sake of short term, trading card-type fantasy silliness.

No to Kenyon Martin and anyone who looks like Kenyon Martin.

I miss Wilson Chandler.

I understand your opinion comparing Martin to Francis and Rose, but this is completely different. Those 2 players were acquired by Thomas to become top players for the team under the idea of "it's so crazy it just might work" and "it couldn't hurt to try." From Martin, we are looking to fill a very specific role off the bench that he would excel in. This team is in a completely different state than they were when we were trading for the likes of Francis, Rose, McGrady, Curry, etc.

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12/21/2011  3:07 PM
History of Martin

hes isn't great at anything but he does do a little of everything.
I agree with the people that dislike, Martin, Kidd, and Jefferson got a little under my skin.
I watched Denver play from before Melo was signed as a rookie and through out the years.
I payed more attention to Denver, a little more last year, after the Melo trade.

For the first couple of years, of Martin's "big contract", he looked like he was in a big downfall.
His first days started with New Jersey, as the the 1st pick of a "weak" draft, said by many analyst, was a one of the young pieces to build around.
I thought he was had center mentality with the body frame of a tweener SF/PF.
He was a mini tank, good athletic ability, but lacked the size to be consistent on most nights.
Kidd ran the New Jersey Nets while Isiah and Curry put us through a nearly a decade of hell.
Kidd's ability to create, control/push the tempo, and pass allowed Martin to use his athleticism before defenses were set.
With Carter and Jefferson as sidekicks, Kidd brought them 2 years of Final appearances and a couple extra playoff runs.
During those runs, the East was notably weak, lacking centers, and dominant big men.
However, as soon as they faced the Western Conference, their weakness and size showed.
While the New Jersey Nets, Vince Carter, and Kidd started to tear of and were moving past their primes, the Nets started moving in another direction.

After 4 years of services, Nets and Martin were unable to come to terms for his 4th year on a extension, taking the qualifying offer.
Unwilling to pay Martin a big contract, they were forced to sign and trade him to the Denver Nuggets, eventually started rebuilding process.
I believe it was for 3 first round picks and salary exemption which made Nets look very smart within the first year.

Kenyon Martin more Recent Years

While the first with Denver, he showed his size was an issue vs majority of the Western Conference.
He had knee issues, with the downside of his physical play around the corner, to go with his size.
Eventually, having micro-fracture knee surgeries, and a couple of years of plagued injuries.
He has that tough guy mentality, reminding me of a little tough pit bull, to make up for his size.
Denver added players like Camby, Nene, and Birdman to go with Melo.
Over the years, he flirts with [b]ABOUT[/b]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3400/career;_ylt=AgC2kjpbt2mw7JRkkxvhwn5tPKB4

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5 to 10 RBs 12+ to 17pts, 2 assist, 1-2stls, and 1-2blocks


in 32minutes and 65-70games, with the exception of his first year.

I watched him the past 2 years and I was surprised to see him still effective as a role player.
It took him some time to find his identity and role with the team.
It was very surprised to see he looked fully recovered, comfortable, and surprisingly still had his athleticism.
He served as a 6th - 7th man, and started at times.
He played anywhere from SF, PF, and Center, with SF and C with little minutes.

Last year, he played the least minutes, at 25, and 48 games *2nd least*
He is what he is, an undersized tweener, that does a little of everything.
I think being the 1st pick of the draft, mixed with his hype of media, and undersized body frame, he doesn't like to show weakness.
He doesn't bullied, show his weak, and prove he is great, so he chooses to do the bullying instead, showing toughness, confidence.
He looked very comfortable last 2 seasons, and pretty good last year, with great ball movement, and skilled/deep roster.
He excels in a fast past game, with great ball movement, having players ability to penetrate, and not being a focul point of offense or defense.
With limited minutes, playing the 2nd units most of the time, and sometimes finishing games, he did a little of everything.
He had a pretty good year and looked improved with his open jumpers as well.

He is totally different from Reggie Evans. Although similar in size, Evans has a uncanny feel and ability to go for rebounds.
I really don't think hes a D!%$, like Lebron said earlier, he made himself a villain to so strength and hide weakness.
If you think about a lot of undersized players at the PF, they do have to be tough to be able to play that position.
In their own team mates, they love him, but opponents just cant seem to stand them.
I think we are capable of playing Martin, within his strengths of the game.
Playing him vs the 2nd units, while we give our front court some minutes resting.
That toughness, is kind of Oakley/Mason/LJ and NEW YORK like, we have been missing.
Physically he would fit perfectly, as he is undersized and age is nearing his end.
For a big contract, hell no, hes not worth it, however, for 2.5m for 2 years, its not a bad investment at all.
While I would prefer Ak47, we through out the idea of adding a SF-PF for weeks already.
If he was interested, I think his agent would have called us, if the 2.5m was enough and he really wanted to come to NY.

We really can't ask for much with 2.5m exemption, getting a player that is versatile and knows his role is very important.
Having him as the toughness and grit Shawne Williams brought, with Novak for the shooting, at vet minimum isn't bad.
I don't mind having him for 1 year veteran minimum, however, I would like to use the 2.5m to use for a player for 2 years.
Having too many contract issues on one team can hurt Chemistry, I want our Knicks to be focused on basketball and not their individual talents/contracts.
Last year was enough drama for me, having a commitment from the team and player would be ideal, just focusing on winning and playoffs.
Its am also sure, the Spurs are searching for a body to help Duncan out with a shortened season.
I think I would like to see better spacing, with better ball movement, and we need to attack the rim like Denver last year.
Good things happen, when you attack the rim with ball movement.
I think as a backup role Martin, could fit great, he isn't very young anymore though.
I think they need to check out some video of him in China to help decide, I am judging this on what I have seen of him last year and his past 2 years at Denver.

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12/21/2011  3:10 PM
Knixkix - understand your point about the different in individual players. My point is that instead of pursuing older, short term mercenaries, the Knicks need to build heart and soul via younger players who can be brought through the system.

How many people want to purchase a Knicks jersey that is good for more than two years?

No to Kenyon Martin.

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RonRon
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12/21/2011  3:40 PM
is it the "honor" that Boozer had with Cleveland before he left them for Utah?

or

is he required to wait till the season ends in China?

and

Does Martin make the % of game's he plays in the future vs 66 games?

in other words

If New York, at 2.5m/ amount of games left in season left in march when he can join?

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12/21/2011  4:32 PM
misterearl wrote:I do not like him

Do not like his game, his demeanor, his verbal skills.

Do not like the fact he played with the Nets or his tats.

Do not like his preening, his age or his face.

Do not like his ego alongside the egos we already have.

Do not like him on my New York Knicks.

No to Kenyon Martin

THis like some "Green eggs and ham" kind of rant!

I do not like Kmart and his game, I do think its really quite lame!

I don't like with face and tats, with his spats, that is that!

I don not like Kenyon Martin at all, I don like KMART whose is tall!....

I do not like that he ugly and sweat, I do not like he was a Net!

I don like His game of Mean, or that he he's old and likes to preen!

I do not like This Kenyon Martin whose mind is small, I don like This KMART, no not at all!....

I do no this sonofaBITCH PRICK......

I would not like him as a KNICK!

I would not like him for a veteran min....

I would not like him if he was next of kin!

I do not like this Kenyon Martin, not even one bit!

This KMart fella go to hell and eat SHIT!

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12/21/2011  4:55 PM
Nalod wrote:
misterearl wrote:I do not like him

Do not like his game, his demeanor, his verbal skills.

Do not like the fact he played with the Nets or his tats.

Do not like his preening, his age or his face.

Do not like his ego alongside the egos we already have.

Do not like him on my New York Knicks.

No to Kenyon Martin

THis like some "Green eggs and ham" kind of rant!

I do not like Kmart and his game, I do think its really quite lame!

I don't like with face and tats, with his spats, that is that!

I don not like Kenyon Martin at all, I don like KMART whose is tall!....

I do not like that he ugly and sweat, I do not like he was a Net!

I don like His game of Mean, or that he he's old and likes to preen!

I do not like This Kenyon Martin whose mind is small, I don like This KMART, no not at all!....

I do no this sonofaBITCH PRICK......

I would not like him as a KNICK!

I would not like him for a veteran min....

I would not like him if he was next of kin!

I do not like this Kenyon Martin, not even one bit!

This KMart fella go to hell and eat SHIT!

ahh.... things are so much better in Knick land. Its good to have a real team again
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12/21/2011  5:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/21/2011  5:26 PM
Nalod wrote:
misterearl wrote:I do not like him

Do not like his game, his demeanor, his verbal skills.

Do not like the fact he played with the Nets or his tats.

Do not like his preening, his age or his face.

Do not like his ego alongside the egos we already have.

Do not like him on my New York Knicks.

No to Kenyon Martin

THis like some "Green eggs and ham" kind of rant!

I do not like Kmart and his game, I do think its really quite lame!

I don't like with face and tats, with his spats, that is that!

I don not like Kenyon Martin at all, I don like KMART whose is tall!....

I do not like that he ugly and sweat, I do not like he was a Net!

I don like His game of Mean, or that he he's old and likes to preen!

I do not like This Kenyon Martin whose mind is small, I don like This KMART, no not at all!....

I do no this sonofaBITCH PRICK......

I would not like him as a KNICK!

I would not like him for a veteran min....

I would not like him if he was next of kin!

I do not like this Kenyon Martin, not even one bit!

This KMart fella go to hell and eat SHIT!


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12/21/2011  5:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/21/2011  5:33 PM
misterearl wrote:I do not like him

Do not like his game, his demeanor, his verbal skills.

Do not like the fact he played with the Nets or his tats.

Do not like his preening, his age or his face.

Do not like his ego alongside the egos we already have.

Do not like him on my New York Knicks.

No to Kenyon Martin

I understand where you're coming from but -

Are the Knicks really in a position to turn down anyone who can help them on the court?

What about his game do you not like? He gets after it on D, is a fierce competitor, rebounds and gets a lot of his points off putbacks, etc.

Who's out there that could be a better backup for Melo/Amare than him?

We could try to get Reggie Evans but his offensive game is turrrble and his rep (testicle grabber) isn't exactly stellar either.

With established starts like Amare and Melo and The Unifier in Chandler I don't see a role player like KMart beign divisivein the locker room.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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12/21/2011  5:41 PM
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I understand where you're coming from but -

Are the Knicks really in a position to turn down anyone who can help them on the court?

Yes. It is thinking like this that got us in trouble in the Layden/Isiah years.

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12/21/2011  5:45 PM
Panos wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
I understand where you're coming from but -

Are the Knicks really in a position to turn down anyone who can help them on the court?

Yes. It is thinking like this that got us in trouble in the Layden/Isiah years.

Huh?

Splurging on an immature Zach Randolph. Giving up a ton to get Eddy Curry when he had heart issues and no one including the bulls would touch him. Signing Jerome James for the full midlevel for multiple years when he loafed his entire career

is a little bit different

than a completely capped out and THIN team in desperate need for cheap role players offering KMart 2.5 M for a season or two

Even if the KMart signing could end up being a bad decision the SCALE of it makes it a bit unfair to compare Layden/Isiah moves to this one no?

I can see why you don't like KMart and I'm not his biggest fan either but for 2.5M, who else do you suggest the Knicks target to try to give our star frontcourt some help so they don't have to play 35-40 minutes every night?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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12/21/2011  5:52 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
Panos wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
I understand where you're coming from but -

Are the Knicks really in a position to turn down anyone who can help them on the court?

Yes. It is thinking like this that got us in trouble in the Layden/Isiah years.

Huh?

Splurging on an immature Zach Randolph. Giving up a ton to get Eddy Curry when he had heart issues and no one including the bulls would touch him. Signing Jerome James for the full midlevel for multiple years when he loafed his entire career

is a little bit different

than a completely capped out and THIN team in desperate need for cheap role players offering KMart 2.5 M for a season or two

Even if the KMart signing could end up being a bad decision the SCALE of it makes it a bit unfair to compare Layden/Isiah moves to this one no?

I can see why you don't like KMart and I'm not his biggest fan either but for 2.5M, who else do you suggest the Knicks target to try to give our star frontcourt some help so they don't have to play 35-40 minutes every night?

The team has one chip left in its pocket, its the $2.5M exception. Use it wisely. There may be more cuts, wait for one that will add to the chemistry. Don't just spend it cuz you have it, and then not have it when the right piece comes along. KMart is a broken down old malcontent. Sit tight.

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12/21/2011  6:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/21/2011  6:04 PM
misterearl wrote:Knixkix - understand your point about the different in individual players. My point is that instead of pursuing older, short term mercenaries, the Knicks need to build heart and soul via younger players who can be brought through the system.

How many people want to purchase a Knicks jersey that is good for more than two years?

No to Kenyon Martin.


Teams trying to win championships pick up temporary veteran pieces. Martin, Nash, Camby, and Hill are all short term players we could see in new york in the next 6-8 months. It's the same with any contender.

We have a long-term core group in Anthony, Stoudemire, Chandler, Shumpert, Fields, and Douglas. Nothing wrong with plugging holes with short-term fixes.

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12/21/2011  8:30 PM
I would have liked Sean Williams, if we moved Jordan or Jorts.
Dallas signed him to a 2 year deal, with 2nd year team option.

From the looks of it, Hunter won't be signed. I am not sure if he is still on the team.
I haven't see him play in the preseason games.
I don't mind using the 2.5m on players like that, dividing it in 2 and getting 2 nice players to add in the rotation.
Would have preferred a 3 year deal so we can get bird rights but I don't think we could use the 2.5m for more than 2 years.

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12/21/2011  8:39 PM
RonRon wrote:I would have liked Sean Williams, if we moved Jordan or Jorts.
Dallas signed him to a 2 year deal, with 2nd year team option.

From the looks of it, Hunter won't be signed. I am not sure if he is still on the team.
I haven't see him play in the preseason games.
I don't mind using the 2.5m on players like that, dividing it in 2 and getting 2 nice players to add in the rotation.
Would have preferred a 3 year deal so we can get bird rights but I don't think we could use the 2.5m for more than 2 years.

Josh Harrellson is about to become a crowd favorite

Jerome Jordan just got here

Please stop with the ridiculous trade nonsense

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12/21/2011  9:41 PM
It would have been at the deadline, it doesn't have to be Jorts.
With Fields being a UFA, if we can make a package, get someone that we can to solidify our lineup, and have his bird rights, its a big score.
We could us the MLE for another play in the off season rather than using it to keep Fields.
Please don't tell me what to do.
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12/21/2011  10:53 PM
Panos wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
Panos wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
I understand where you're coming from but -

Are the Knicks really in a position to turn down anyone who can help them on the court?

Yes. It is thinking like this that got us in trouble in the Layden/Isiah years.

Huh?

Splurging on an immature Zach Randolph. Giving up a ton to get Eddy Curry when he had heart issues and no one including the bulls would touch him. Signing Jerome James for the full midlevel for multiple years when he loafed his entire career

is a little bit different

than a completely capped out and THIN team in desperate need for cheap role players offering KMart 2.5 M for a season or two

Even if the KMart signing could end up being a bad decision the SCALE of it makes it a bit unfair to compare Layden/Isiah moves to this one no?

I can see why you don't like KMart and I'm not his biggest fan either but for 2.5M, who else do you suggest the Knicks target to try to give our star frontcourt some help so they don't have to play 35-40 minutes every night?

The team has one chip left in its pocket, its the $2.5M exception. Use it wisely. There may be more cuts, wait for one that will add to the chemistry. Don't just spend it cuz you have it, and then not have it when the right piece comes along. KMart is a broken down old malcontent. Sit tight.

There are reports that KMart looked washed up in China. Ok, let's pass on him. Have you looked at who else is out there? I'm not saying this to try to imply that you haven't or anything. As far as I know theres:

JR Smith
Aaron Brooks
Wilson Chandler
Reggie Evans
Arenas
Michael Redd
Al Thornton
Julian Wright
Jason Smith
Ike Diogu
Jamario Moon
Sasha Vujacic
Nenad Krstic
Erick Dampier

Considering Dalembert is getting 6-7 M per and Humphries is getting $8 per. I dunno who we can grab for $2.5M. Would love Chandler, Reggie Evans. Dunno much about the other bigs on this list really.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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12/21/2011  11:04 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Have you looked at who else is out there? I'm not saying this to try to imply that you haven't or anything. As far as I know theres:

JR Smith
Aaron Brooks
Wilson Chandler
Reggie Evans
Arenas
Michael Redd
Al Thornton
Julian Wright
Jason Smith
Ike Diogu
Jamario Moon
Sasha Vujacic
Nenad Krstic
Erick Dampier

Considering Dalembert is getting 6-7 M per and Humphries is getting $8 per. I dunno who we can grab for $2.5M. Would love Chandler, Reggie Evans. Dunno much about the other bigs on this list really.

Brooks, Chandler are RFA, and their teams will match. Evans just signed with LAC.

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12/22/2011  10:07 AM
The Kenyon update, knicks have interest. miami may have some, too. it'd be convenient if he went to the Heat, because his punk-@ss-ness would fit nicely with their team. but he does fill a need in NY - granted one that's not as big if Jorts keeps playing as well as he has:

Martin, according to his agent, Andy Miller, is flying back to the U.S. for Christmas, but he is ineligible to play until after his team's season in the Chinese Basketball Association is over -- likely in mid-March. A source familiar with the Knicks' thinking said it is "possible" the Knicks would have interest in signing Martin later in the season if they need a jolt up front and they will pocket their $2.5 million exception. A source said the 33-year-old former Nets star would be amenable to joining the Knicks. New York Post
New York Knicks, Free Agency, Kenyon Martin

Frank Isola: Carmelo Anthony on his former Denver teammate Kenyon Martin getting a buyout from his Chinese team: "We still have money, right?" Twitter

It will be interesting with all the players cleared to return from their China contracts in March, and it could alter the balance of the league. Martin spends a lot of his offseason time in South Florida and around Heat players, so I wouldn't count out the cult of Riley. Any player returning that late in the season clearly will be looking for a deep playoff run, something the Heat should be able to guarantee. South Florida Sun-Sentinel
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12/22/2011  10:16 AM
crzymdups wrote:The Kenyon update, knicks have interest. miami may have some, too. it'd be convenient if he went to the Heat, because his punk-@ss-ness would fit nicely with their team. but he does fill a need in NY - granted one that's not as big if Jorts keeps playing as well as he has:

Martin, according to his agent, Andy Miller, is flying back to the U.S. for Christmas, but he is ineligible to play until after his team's season in the Chinese Basketball Association is over -- likely in mid-March. A source familiar with the Knicks' thinking said it is "possible" the Knicks would have interest in signing Martin later in the season if they need a jolt up front and they will pocket their $2.5 million exception. A source said the 33-year-old former Nets star would be amenable to joining the Knicks. New York Post
New York Knicks, Free Agency, Kenyon Martin

Frank Isola: Carmelo Anthony on his former Denver teammate Kenyon Martin getting a buyout from his Chinese team: "We still have money, right?" Twitter

It will be interesting with all the players cleared to return from their China contracts in March, and it could alter the balance of the league. Martin spends a lot of his offseason time in South Florida and around Heat players, so I wouldn't count out the cult of Riley. Any player returning that late in the season clearly will be looking for a deep playoff run, something the Heat should be able to guarantee. South Florida Sun-Sentinel

I read it as the media had interest in seeing if the Knicks had interest, and the Knicks didn't say one way or the other.

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