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RonRon
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12/15/2011  7:15 PM
anyone else thinking this roster spot of JJ is such a waste of freaking space?
LOL

AK47
Peja

we need some more white dudes, that have high bball IQ!
seriously, add in Mo Evans, and we should be able to go to war with that squad..


Chandler
Amare
Melo
Fields
TD

Iman
Hunter
Green
Bibby
JJ
Jorts/Jordan ic only one of them playing....one should go in D league to get some PT at least
Walker
Balkman

we can only keep 12 on roster, 3 on injured/inactive list, 1 can be kept in D league? so can we have 16 or 15 total?
Right now, we only have 1 roster spot, I would like to have all 3 of above.
With Walker *hurt*, and Jordan/Jorts/Balkman *1 to D league*

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RonRon
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12/15/2011  7:17 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
rvwink wrote:My suggestion would be for the Knicks to sit on their hands for a while. We could use help both at the point guard/shooting guard area, and also at the small forward, power forward as well. I don't think the Knicks know yet whether another forward or guard is the critical acquisition this season. What kind of contribution the Iman is likely to be able to make in his first year? How well Toney Douglas adjusts to the starting point guard role? How well is Jorts is able to contribute at power forward and center. How serviceable is our back up small forward. (Could it be Landry Fields, or even the Iman?) Finally, how big a fall off is there to our back up center.

I don't think there is anyone available presently that is going to be perfect for what the Knick's want. So my hope is that we wait until we have a better idea what our highest priority is before spending our last chip.


I think that is a good plan. Teams can use amnesty thru tomorrow so there is always the possibility of getting a good player that way. As training camp ends guys may become available. I am not sure what free agents are available but I know Humphries is still out there. Some guys may have to settle for 2.5 mil that were hoping for more.

No offense to Kwame but if he can get 7m for one year.....
Kris Humphries should at least get the MLE money, I would say he is closer to 8m per year for 3-4 years

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12/15/2011  7:18 PM
loweyecue wrote:
RonRon wrote:2 years 7.5m per year, Orlando

Way overpaid. Next- sign Raja bell in 2012

think we have to find the new Raja Bell, he was good almost a decade ago....

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12/15/2011  7:19 PM
I don't get it. Williams could have taken 5 million from us and have a chance at a championship but instead chose 6 million with an uncertain future.

I would gladly take 20% less in pay to play for a championship contender but perhaps he saw he could make even more money by getting more minutes in NJ. But if you guys didn't notice, the way to cover him is just to get up on him - ball denial as best you can. He is terrible at driving but great at shooting, so you can't leave him alone.

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12/15/2011  7:28 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:I don't get it. Williams could have taken 5 million from us and have a chance at a championship but instead chose 6 million with an uncertain future.

I would gladly take 20% less in pay to play for a championship contender but perhaps he saw he could make even more money by getting more minutes in NJ. But if you guys didn't notice, the way to cover him is just to get up on him - ball denial as best you can. He is terrible at driving but great at shooting, so you can't leave him alone.

I agree, however, hes 24, maybe he continues to improve, maybe he doesn't.
But if he stays on New York, he will never get a larger role, or the opportunity to be a starter...
From waiting on Grant Hill
then Chandler
then Jamal even when it looked unlikely
the Knick didn't offer more than the vet 1 year deal...
we don't know for sure if the Knicks even really offered the 2.5 exemption to him, its possible they didn't, offering him a 1 year deal the whole time...

his ego is a little bruised and maybe he thinks that the Knick's do not see him in the future plans...
with the amnesty of Outlaw, the opportunity to start, playing with a great PG, and possibly the greatest center this decade.

I would have loved for him to stay but I can see why I left...

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12/15/2011  7:52 PM
was glad to see him get a second chance and make the best of it....but we need to do better....younger, quicker...more explosive. Actually, the Nets offer was alot more because of the guaranteed second year.
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12/15/2011  7:58 PM
http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm

I know he isn't exactly that young anymore, but I would have preferred Antonio Daniels, over Bibby,
or
even that guard that use play with Nets, kind of big, plays both pgg and sg, played in bucks and heat too?
or
Shannon Brown would have been nice, but he signed 1y for 3.5m with suns

I know these guards i picked out aren't really PGs but they have the ability to guard both spots
Daniels might have lost a step with age, but so did Carter last year, he was still played tough and good for us.

Prizbilla is still out there, too, I wonder how much he gets, in this center crazed year...

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12/15/2011  8:07 PM
I would go after Outlaw...Good Athletic Shooter who plays Defense..looks like a good match.
If Baron Davis injuries are fake he is a good option too. He is a beast when motivated or on a good team.
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12/15/2011  8:10 PM
Jamario Moon, out of the Free Agent's available?

When he was picked up by the Toronto Raptors from D League, I thought he was pretty good.
But that was a couple of years ago, how he played after Cleveland and Clippers *barely played*

Again, I would prefer Ak47
and love Peja

both in this system. Think they both have high bball iq and you need that to play in Dantoni's offense, to go with athleticism, length, and shot?
but the most important is the pick and roll PG, ic Iman eventually taking over in that role, till then I would have preferred better legs than Bibby.
But w/e at least he can hit 3pointers at a good %.

I keep thinking about what Stern has said about young players and assets.
I want Ariza back...

Fields
Balkman
Walker
1st rounder

????

frees up roster spots to get the players I want as well.

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12/15/2011  8:16 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:I would go after Outlaw...Good Athletic Shooter who plays Defense..looks like a good match.
If Baron Davis injuries are fake he is a good option too. He is a beast when motivated or on a good team.

I don't think Outlaw makes it to the FA, he's a great pickup for teams rebuilding or in contention under the cap, just not at his salary.

as for Davis, unless Cleveland was also doing him a favor, which I highly doubt, I don't see him faking the injury.
Because if someone claim's Baron Davis, Cleveland would be paying less of his salary...
I think he would be a great pick up if healthy, but then again, he wont make it if he was. In fact he still might not make it, even if isn't healthy...

Baron Davis isn't in the same category as Bibby and all these other PG's that lost a step.
He can pass, drive, and play the pick and roll.
He also takes a couple of bad shots like Crawford but his PG play is way better too. Even his defense is way better than Crawford.
However, he is in that age, where it can go all go south.
But at our options, he wouldn't be a bad pick up if he ever recovers, since we can waive him...

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12/15/2011  8:25 PM
BigSm00th wrote:per Alan Hahn's Twitter:

"Knicks move on to next wave of FA targets, including three-point specialist vets Michael Redd and Troy Murphy. Mo Evans on list, too."

Mike Redd gives us depth at 2/3. Injury liability. though.
Mo Evans also gives us 2/3 depth. Not as good of a shooter.
Murphy didn't play much last year even though there were a lot of teams clamoring to get him.

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12/15/2011  9:04 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I don't remember why Murphy's year was so bad last year but I have always liked him. If he isn't done he would be a good signing.

A lot of players just suddenly don't adjust to the game after their physical body takes rapid changes.
It's not easy to play basketball as much as they do and face injuries.
It is a lot of hard work to train and all that running, jumping, banging, and injuries catches up at u with AGE.
Imagine putting a body on Shaq, boxing him out, or taking a flying knee by Malone.
If you do not train, eat correctly, treat ur body right, and prepare urself for this day, u are in for a big surprise which in fact shouldn't be one...

I think he fell in this category.

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12/15/2011  9:09 PM
RonRon wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I don't remember why Murphy's year was so bad last year but I have always liked him. If he isn't done he would be a good signing.

A lot of players just suddenly don't adjust to the game after their physical body takes rapid changes.
It's not easy to play basketball as much as they do and face injuries.
It is a lot of hard work to train and all that running, jumping, banging, and injuries catches up at u with AGE.
Imagine putting a body on Shaq, boxing him out, or taking a flying knee by Malone.
If you do not train, eat correctly, treat ur body right, and prepare urself for this day, u are in for a big surprise which in fact shouldn't be one...

I think he fell in this category.

It's too early to say Murphy is done.

He came back last year late in the season after not playing the entire year (or most of it) and got thrust into a new team that was competing for a title.

Maybe with his legs under him a big more now he can be a decent contributor.

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12/15/2011  9:17 PM
If he couldn't contribute next to KG and Boston's defense last year, its highly likely.
He had a bright future back in the Golden State days.

He had no legs last year, with the limited minutes I saw him play...
Even if he is not done, I don't see him being close to the player he once was.

A great shooter, that could play 3,4,5 with his length, speed, and hustle.

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12/15/2011  9:21 PM
RonRon wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I would go after Outlaw...Good Athletic Shooter who plays Defense..looks like a good match.
If Baron Davis injuries are fake he is a good option too. He is a beast when motivated or on a good team.

I don't think Outlaw makes it to the FA, he's a great pickup for teams rebuilding or in contention under the cap, just not at his salary.

as for Davis, unless Cleveland was also doing him a favor, which I highly doubt, I don't see him faking the injury.
Because if someone claim's Baron Davis, Cleveland would be paying less of his salary...
I think he would be a great pick up if healthy, but then again, he wont make it if he was. In fact he still might not make it, even if isn't healthy...

Baron Davis isn't in the same category as Bibby and all these other PG's that lost a step.
He can pass, drive, and play the pick and roll.
He also takes a couple of bad shots like Crawford but his PG play is way better too. Even his defense is way better than Crawford.
However, he is in that age, where it can go all go south.
But at our options, he wouldn't be a bad pick up if he ever recovers, since we can waive him...

Well that Sucks...Even if we don't sign anyone I'm excited to see the progression of Iman Shumpert. I think he might surprise a lot of people like Rondo did...and he has a much better jumper.

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12/15/2011  9:52 PM
RonRon wrote:If he couldn't contribute next to KG and Boston's defense last year, its highly likely.
He had a bright future back in the Golden State days.

He had no legs last year, with the limited minutes I saw him play...
Even if he is not done, I don't see him being close to the player he once was.

A great shooter, that could play 3,4,5 with his length, speed, and hustle.

He was a very good player in Indiana also. Not only does he shoot the three, he is a very good rebounder. He had one down year. I think he might be worth a shot. I am starting to hope that the Knicks go off in the size department on their roster. Size is a huge asset that the Knicks have not had in a long time.
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12/15/2011  10:17 PM
I'm all for Michael Redd. The guy was an all star and a 20ppg scorer. Granted he had some serious injuries but he managed to play the last 10 games of the seaons last year. Great shooter will still be able to shoot. I'm all for taking the risk.
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12/15/2011  10:38 PM
The concentration of back to back games built into this year's schedule is going to wear a lot of players out. If you sign someone to a $2.5 million salary, its important to be really confident that that player's body will hold up with the daily pounding that it will take. Having players behind the starters who can play at a level where it doesn't hurt the team to rest the starters is imperative. Under those circumstances, I think Michael Redd is a bad risk, because we can't afford to rest him as much as he will need, and the consequences of him getting injured again will be severe.
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12/16/2011  12:37 AM
IMO when adding role players to the team at this point, there are no bad risks. We're not looking for stars anymore. We're looking to augment the bench so that we have a few more options to go to and fill needs. We addressed size and defense and now we need to add another shooter to keep the floor stretched. A vet sharpshooter simply makes sense. You hope you can get someone that isn't completely broken down. I have no idea what Redd has left, but i'm sure the Knicks will do their research before making the final decision. I'm glad they're taking their time with this.
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