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nixluva
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12/15/2011  2:14 PM
The 82 games and playoff run was not ancient history, it was the season before he came to NY!!! Then when he came here he took on an even bigger load and that's got more to do with his getting tired at the end of the season. The back muscle thing is a fluke. You can't act like it's some chronic issue with no proof. How did STAT look in game one before the back injury? So let's not make stuff up. He played 82 + playoffs and then here he played 78 games, so it's not like he hasn't been able to make it thru a season. We'll never see Amar'e log the same kind of minutes and playing C like he did last year again. So long as he's not overworked that's the important thing. Tyson makes that all possible.

Look barring injury, which is the case for every teams, the negatives are there but not to a high degree. This team hasn't even finished filling out the roster yet.
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12/15/2011  2:20 PM
Nalod wrote:If Lebron Falls same scenario.

Or Derrick Rose, Or Kobe........

ON a star dependent team this can happen.

When we signed Stat we knew going in this is possible.

What is noted is our backcourt is untested to the degree there is a heavy burdan on those untested shoulders.

Luck is a big part of it. Dirk not healthy they don't even make it past the 2nd round last year!


Knicks will be good only if Stat/Melo/TC will be all healthy and paly at their best all season and playoffs.
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Once in a while this method works. Rangers did it in 1994 and then suck until now.
If all cards will fall right we may get an elite performance this year... but this about it.
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12/15/2011  3:02 PM
Every team has a worst case scenario...this article means nothing...just something to write
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12/15/2011  3:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/15/2011  3:29 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Bonn, we all know what the risks are. Even nixluva and misterearl know that Melos defense is suspect and Amar'es back could be a problem...

However, headed into the season, it's a buzzkill b/c we are excited about the team, and it's like dating a super as hell hot chick. I mean smoking hot from hair to toes she's everything you can dream of. She has a wonderful personality too so she has awesome potential for you. Yet then, before you go on a date, your good friend or someone close goes up to you and says "Hey Bonn, just remember, if she's not into you, then she's not gonna date you any further and she certainly wont get you laid."...

Yeah, you're well aware of it... but why say it before the season or the date starts? If it happens that sucks, but why think of it?


Fair enough. You didn't mention the worst or at least riskiest part of the plan (Carmelo being a point forward) but I understand your thoughts. It would be a mistake, though, to assume that a sportswriter's job is to write articles only for the fans of the team (and even then, only for those fans who want nothing but positive comments).
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12/15/2011  3:28 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Every team has a worst case scenario

Yes, but not every team has an equally severe or probable worse case scenario.
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12/15/2011  3:33 PM
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Ever teams success has to do with health and luck....in other words **** this guy

We have a lower downside than many other teams labeled contenders though and a higher probability of one or more of the major concerns happening.

Everyone is hype about the clippers....Chris Paul has bad knees how quickly the experts forget. Blake griffin broke his leg deleting his real rookie season but everyone forgot about that.Caron butler had a season ending injury in Dallas. Chancey had a season ending injury for the Knicks. The clippers are cursed.

Let someone write a doomsday story about them and collect a check. Why do writers love to hate the Knicks?

Of course your right, but why would a knick fan or NBA causual fan ever read such a thing? I tend to think we are a bit more into this than most basketball fans.

Not to pisson on anyone's cornflakes, but we need to be remember the fragile existance that star dependant teams are.

Any team losing a first or second team allpro is not going to the finals without them. The better ones can make the playoffs and try to get healthy for a run thru the playoffs.

Lakers had the luxury of doing well enough to rest Bynum and let him heal for late season. Tyson does not have th offensive game to pick up Amare nor do we have depth.

This team does have a chance.

That is a good starting point!
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12/15/2011  3:41 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every team has a worst case scenario

Yes, but not every team has an equally severe or probable worse case scenario.

How is that true? Every teams worst case scenario is a major injury to it's best player! There is no team that is immune to that happening. Every team needs a certain degree of good fortune to get thru the season injury free.

As for Melo being a Point Forward, I think perhaps people are thinking of the idea of a Mason who brings the ball down the court and sets up. Melo from how I see it will be asked to simply make more passes out of his possessions. He's already going to handle the ball a ton and it only follows that if we have some set plays based of his having the ball that he can function as a passer to the other guys. So rather than just putting his head down, he can start off with his head up and watching the motion of STAT, Tyson, Fields as they make cuts or set picks. It's not as hard as you're making it out to be.

Melo isn't Eddy Curry. He actually does have some passing ability. This may be the 1st time he's being asked to be a distributor to this degree, with sets designed to make it easier for him to setup his teammates. IMO anyone who can hit shots with such accuracy can't possibly be bad at hitting a player with a pass accurately. I also think it's a very smart idea by MDA to have the other players playing off of Melo's possessions rather than just standing there watching him.
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12/15/2011  4:01 PM
what makes the Chandler signing so important is how it improves our depth. I would certainly hope Amare's minutes will be held to high 20s-low 30s during these tough stretches. That being said the Knicks will be just fine if one of the big 3 has some nagging injury to deal with off and one.

I have been VERY critical of the Melo trade but the guy is a hell of a player, and if he and Chandler are healthy the Knicks are 550 playoff team at worst.

Formula is simple:
Stay healthy
Find out if the backcourt will work or if we need help
Get hot before playoffs

Do people not remember Amare winning games by himself in the 4th qtrs? The Knicks will be fine, the question is how fine.

If we lose an all star player to an injury thems the breaks. It happens. Ask Brandon Roy. Ask Peyton Manning... its not really something you can plan for. Im not worried about it because its not worth worrying about. You can limit minutes for your bigs.. thats the best you can do.

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12/15/2011  4:02 PM
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every team has a worst case scenario

Yes, but not every team has an equally severe or probable worse case scenario.

How is that true? Every teams worst case scenario is a major injury to it's best player! There is no team that is immune to that happening. Every team needs a certain degree of good fortune to get thru the season injury free.

As for Melo being a Point Forward, I think perhaps people are thinking of the idea of a Mason who brings the ball down the court and sets up. Melo from how I see it will be asked to simply make more passes out of his possessions. He's already going to handle the ball a ton and it only follows that if we have some set plays based of his having the ball that he can function as a passer to the other guys. So rather than just putting his head down, he can start off with his head up and watching the motion of STAT, Tyson, Fields as they make cuts or set picks. It's not as hard as you're making it out to be.

Melo isn't Eddy Curry. He actually does have some passing ability. This may be the 1st time he's being asked to be a distributor to this degree, with sets designed to make it easier for him to setup his teammates. IMO anyone who can hit shots with such accuracy can't possibly be bad at hitting a player with a pass accurately. I also think it's a very smart idea by MDA to have the other players playing off of Melo's possessions rather than just standing there watching him.


"How is that true?" Here's a better question: "How could it not be true?" Some teams are dependent on a formula that has worked very well in past years for them like the Lakers or the Mavs. In contrast, we're dependent on veterans making major changes to their style of play, which just as a matter of logic, has to be considered a bigger risk with a bigger downside. (And I haven't even addressed the injury issues because I know that discussion will go nowhere with you.)
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12/15/2011  4:08 PM
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eViL wrote:we lived 10 years of the worst case scenario. do we really have to read about it before it happens?

Nah mean!


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12/15/2011  4:21 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every team has a worst case scenario

Yes, but not every team has an equally severe or probable worse case scenario.

Are you kidding..

Can Miami afford for any time off for the big three with there suspect supporting cast

Boston the oldest team in the league.. think that schedule looks good for the

Orlando has no depth and are a Howard injury away from lottery land

Then the article states Melo and Amare may snipper at less touches..were talking about 2 good friends..not sha and kobe
If you want look at the negative side...then go ahead if that makes for news..

But why not follow up that article with a best case scenario..

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12/15/2011  4:22 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every team has a worst case scenario

Yes, but not every team has an equally severe or probable worse case scenario.

How is that true? Every teams worst case scenario is a major injury to it's best player! There is no team that is immune to that happening. Every team needs a certain degree of good fortune to get thru the season injury free.

As for Melo being a Point Forward, I think perhaps people are thinking of the idea of a Mason who brings the ball down the court and sets up. Melo from how I see it will be asked to simply make more passes out of his possessions. He's already going to handle the ball a ton and it only follows that if we have some set plays based of his having the ball that he can function as a passer to the other guys. So rather than just putting his head down, he can start off with his head up and watching the motion of STAT, Tyson, Fields as they make cuts or set picks. It's not as hard as you're making it out to be.

Melo isn't Eddy Curry. He actually does have some passing ability. This may be the 1st time he's being asked to be a distributor to this degree, with sets designed to make it easier for him to setup his teammates. IMO anyone who can hit shots with such accuracy can't possibly be bad at hitting a player with a pass accurately. I also think it's a very smart idea by MDA to have the other players playing off of Melo's possessions rather than just standing there watching him.


"How is that true?" Here's a better question: "How could it not be true?" Some teams are dependent on a formula that has worked very well in past years for them like the Lakers or the Mavs. In contrast, we're dependent on veterans making major changes to their style of play, which just as a matter of logic, has to be considered a bigger risk with a bigger downside. (And I haven't even addressed the injury issues because I know that discussion will go nowhere with you.)
what veteran players are we asking to change? Seems to me we are asking guys to do what they do best:
Chandler: defend, rebound, contest shots
Amare: score, block weakside shots
Melo: score, rebound, facilitate in the half court

The question is the maturity of the mostly young role players. The core veteran guys are in perfect position. This frontcourt is set up perfectly with the 3 main veteran players being asked to do what they are best at

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12/15/2011  4:24 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every team has a worst case scenario

Yes, but not every team has an equally severe or probable worse case scenario.

Are you kidding..

Can Miami afford for any time off for the big three with there suspect supporting cast

Boston the oldest team in the league.. think that schedule looks good for the

Orlando has no depth and are a Howard injury away from lottery land

Then the article states Melo and Amare may snipper at less touches..were talking about 2 good friends..not sha and kobe
If you want look at the negative side...then go ahead if that makes for news..

But why not follow up that article with a best case scenario..

There will be 20-25 shots a game for Melo and Amare. In fact we could use another scorer/shooter off the bench. Lets see what the guards provide
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12/15/2011  4:29 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every team has a worst case scenario

Yes, but not every team has an equally severe or probable worse case scenario.

oh please that's a ridiculous statement.

here are a few:
Derrick Rose breaks his ankle. buh-bye Bulls.

Chris Paul's fragile knees don't hold up over the course of a compressed schedule, AND Blake reinjures his surgically rebuilt leg.

every team has a horrible worst case scenario. some bad things you can deal with, some bad injuries can ruin any team's season.

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fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every team has a worst case scenario

Yes, but not every team has an equally severe or probable worse case scenario.

Are you kidding..

Can Miami afford for any time off for the big three with there suspect supporting cast

Boston the oldest team in the league.. think that schedule looks good for the

Orlando has no depth and are a Howard injury away from lottery land

Then the article states Melo and Amare may snipper at less touches..were talking about 2 good friends..not sha and kobe
If you want look at the negative side...then go ahead if that makes for news..

But why not follow up that article with a best case scenario..

There will be 20-25 shots a game for Melo and Amare. In fact we could use another scorer/shooter off the bench. Lets see what the guards provide

Although it would be a luxury to have a scorer of the bench..I would hardly worry about scoring points in a MDA coached team

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12/15/2011  4:32 PM
I think Bonn is mainly saying "Amar'e and Melo have the greatest risk of injuring themselves and Melo plays no defense." In anycase, I think he's taking an old trip down the Bonn3PO memory lane.... Gay Robot. lmao
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12/15/2011  4:51 PM
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every team has a worst case scenario

Yes, but not every team has an equally severe or probable worse case scenario.

How is that true? Every teams worst case scenario is a major injury to it's best player! There is no team that is immune to that happening. Every team needs a certain degree of good fortune to get thru the season injury free.

As for Melo being a Point Forward, I think perhaps people are thinking of the idea of a Mason who brings the ball down the court and sets up. Melo from how I see it will be asked to simply make more passes out of his possessions. He's already going to handle the ball a ton and it only follows that if we have some set plays based of his having the ball that he can function as a passer to the other guys. So rather than just putting his head down, he can start off with his head up and watching the motion of STAT, Tyson, Fields as they make cuts or set picks. It's not as hard as you're making it out to be.

Melo isn't Eddy Curry. He actually does have some passing ability. This may be the 1st time he's being asked to be a distributor to this degree, with sets designed to make it easier for him to setup his teammates. IMO anyone who can hit shots with such accuracy can't possibly be bad at hitting a player with a pass accurately. I also think it's a very smart idea by MDA to have the other players playing off of Melo's possessions rather than just standing there watching him.


"How is that true?" Here's a better question: "How could it not be true?" Some teams are dependent on a formula that has worked very well in past years for them like the Lakers or the Mavs. In contrast, we're dependent on veterans making major changes to their style of play, which just as a matter of logic, has to be considered a bigger risk with a bigger downside. (And I haven't even addressed the injury issues because I know that discussion will go nowhere with you.)
what veteran players are we asking to change? Seems to me we are asking guys to do what they do best:
Chandler: defend, rebound, contest shots
Amare: score, block weakside shots
Melo: score, rebound, facilitate in the half court

The question is the maturity of the mostly young role players. The core veteran guys are in perfect position. This frontcourt is set up perfectly with the 3 main veteran players being asked to do what they are best at

Agreed. I thought the beauty of the Tyson deal was that finally Amar'e can stay away from playing C and getting abused. STAT will be able to log fewer minutes and will less physical strain so how could his risk of injury not be lower playing primarily at PF?

TD has played PG before. It's not really changing what he does. TD is being asked to run the offense and in order to make it easier on him they're going to have things flow thru Melo. Now Melo is going to have to make a slight change in that he'll be asked to look for his teammates a little bit more, but he's still the primary option. If teams double him he'll make the pass to STAT or Fields etc. This isn't going to be the case 100% of the time. This is just another option so that we can give teams a different look and make greater use of Melo's talent.
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12/15/2011  7:17 PM
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Every team has a worst case scenario

Yes, but not every team has an equally severe or probable worse case scenario.

How is that true? Every teams worst case scenario is a major injury to it's best player! There is no team that is immune to that happening. Every team needs a certain degree of good fortune to get thru the season injury free.

As for Melo being a Point Forward, I think perhaps people are thinking of the idea of a Mason who brings the ball down the court and sets up. Melo from how I see it will be asked to simply make more passes out of his possessions. He's already going to handle the ball a ton and it only follows that if we have some set plays based of his having the ball that he can function as a passer to the other guys. So rather than just putting his head down, he can start off with his head up and watching the motion of STAT, Tyson, Fields as they make cuts or set picks. It's not as hard as you're making it out to be.

Melo isn't Eddy Curry. He actually does have some passing ability. This may be the 1st time he's being asked to be a distributor to this degree, with sets designed to make it easier for him to setup his teammates. IMO anyone who can hit shots with such accuracy can't possibly be bad at hitting a player with a pass accurately. I also think it's a very smart idea by MDA to have the other players playing off of Melo's possessions rather than just standing there watching him.


"How is that true?" Here's a better question: "How could it not be true?" Some teams are dependent on a formula that has worked very well in past years for them like the Lakers or the Mavs. In contrast, we're dependent on veterans making major changes to their style of play, which just as a matter of logic, has to be considered a bigger risk with a bigger downside. (And I haven't even addressed the injury issues because I know that discussion will go nowhere with you.)
what veteran players are we asking to change? Seems to me we are asking guys to do what they do best:
Chandler: defend, rebound, contest shots
Amare: score, block weakside shots
Melo: score, rebound, facilitate in the half court

The question is the maturity of the mostly young role players. The core veteran guys are in perfect position. This frontcourt is set up perfectly with the 3 main veteran players being asked to do what they are best at


So you're telling me that if Carmelo is a ball-stopper with a 1:1 assist turnover ratio and is leading the league again in missed FGs plus turnovers, he'll be a good choice for running our offense? All of that needs to change if we're going to be anything more than a mediocre playoff team. Nothing less than his entire approach on offense needs to change. He has the talent; I'm skeptical that he has the right mindset.
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12/15/2011  7:18 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:I think Bonn is mainly saying "Amar'e and Melo have the greatest risk of injuring themselves and Melo plays no defense." In anycase, I think he's taking an old trip down the Bonn3PO memory lane.... Gay Robot. lmao

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