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NYKBocker
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12/13/2011  10:03 AM
Steve Nash would do wonders for this team.
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12/13/2011  11:04 AM
Steve Nash is on defense what Jared Jeffrie is on offense. And thats no exxageration. I'd rather get Felton, who is younger, and although not as good, is a two way player and can play for 4-5 years.

Tyson Chandler is not Pat Ewing, he will not simply erase all of the mistakes that having a Steve Nash will create on Defense. I think thats a flawed way to look at things.

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12/13/2011  11:17 AM
Felton first if MLE, otherwise Nash. And both moves would be predicated on Iman no exploding. If that happens, go for Chandler and make Iman the starter in 2012.
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12/13/2011  2:11 PM
misterearl wrote:Sign Raymond Felton.

Enough with Steve Nash, who will be 59 years old next season. Ramon Sessions? Getottahere.

Felton is young, durable and brings the feisty attitude we love. He can wear uniform number 3.

End of Story.

I would like Felton too, but does it really matter how old Nash is when he is clearly the far better basketball player and equally durable?

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12/13/2011  2:26 PM
Chris Paul or Raymond felton if he is in shape
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12/13/2011  2:29 PM
Moonangie wrote:Felton first if MLE, otherwise Nash. And both moves would be predicated on Iman no exploding. If that happens, go for Chandler and make Iman the starter in 2012.

Why do people think Felton is an option? We completely screwed him over- he signed with us for less money and fewer years than he could have got because he wanted to be in NY and so he could plumpen his value in D'Antoni's system- we then turned around and traded him to Denver. There is no way he ever signs for us again.

Besides which he struggles with his weight, and this will probably get worse as he gets older.

Yes to Wilson Chandler though, but he'll get more than the MLE offered.

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12/13/2011  2:36 PM
MS wrote:I think it's amusing that people are quick to discount Steve Nash. I don't care how old the guy is. He's in tremendous shape and is still the best passing/shooting point guard in the entire league.

Steve Nash
14.7pts 11.4ass (49%fg 39%3fg 91%ft)

So why is everyone bitching about a guy that will take a two year contract and be exactly what we need.

Steve Nash leading the ****ing league in assists; 11.4 Frye, Childress, Warrick, Dudely.

If you can get Felton for 5-7MM fine.

I'm with you. Man is still the 3rd best point in the league behind Paul and D-Will. To get him for the MLE is a steal, even at 38 years old.
If Shump's defense turns out to be the real deal (let's see him play first though), a line up of Nash/Shumpert/Melo/Amar'e/Tyson is down right scary.

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12/13/2011  2:38 PM
Knicks should:

- Sign Deron Williams
- Trade for Kobe Bryant for Tyson Chandler
- Sign Dwight Howard

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12/13/2011  2:39 PM
I think Celtic's are going downhill.
I would target player's that want to WIN now mode, and look for steals!
Ic a big downfall, for them, very good chance they will break their squad up?
Rhondo fit's perfect for the celtics, but what happens to him when they break it up?
he has to be able to be a shooting threat at some point or its going to be tough...

Nash he is still one of the best in the PnR
he is still one of the best passers
he is still one of the best shooters
hes a glue player, his ability to create plays for others, make highlights, how can you not want this guy? not for the full MLE, i want all discounts.

I would love Wilson Chandler back, but, if i can add 3-4 vets with all the exceptions, I would rather go that route.

I would try to entice KG over
then with Ray Allan

I want players that were once great on the court but were great in the bench, locker room, and gym.
It will help our young guns and we actually have quite a few.

TD
Iman
Jordan
Jorts
Fields

Green
Hunter

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my personal targets

KG
Nash
Ray Allan

Anthony Parker * think he has one veterans, with the best shots aside from Allan in the league. What I also love about his game is he could come in and play 5minutes or 30minutes
and he can still be effective. A lot of players in the league have a hard time adjusting to different roles, Parker has shown he can do that in Toronto and in Cleveland.
He can hit 3 pointers with 1-2 attempt or 20 attempt.
Tony Allen *not sure about his age* but that style of player
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A lot of it depends on how our players develop and how we do as a team. Then which players we can target, with the realistic ones, and unrealistic ones.
Like if Tim Duncan and the Spurs, were having a bad year, and the big trio gets broken up at trade deadline.

It also depends, which route we are taking to rebuild after Melo and Amare expire? Will we extend them? If we somehow get young players now, even Chandler,
He would be about 30 when Amare and Melo comes of the books.
KG, would probably be my *1* target in the summer. I want insurance on Amare. I also want to know how KG will work with Chandler.
KG and Perkins miss each other, they compliment each other well. They also feed of each others energy and intensity.
I believe the same would happen here. The Knick's can attract skilled veterans players and probably even for a lower cost.
We play a style that's very entertaining and effective, with DEFENSE, is KG's biggest strength, with versatility and something we look to getting better in.
He can play PF/C for us. When he was younger he could even guard PGs to Center. I know he would be worth the full MLE, but I would look to sell him the idea of adding
Ray Allan as well. It's a decent possibility and it will help our young roster grow/develop. We also have 2 defense's that are vocal, legit in size, great help defenders, and will just be soooo sick to have together.

listen Rhondo got a shot to play PG, with NO SHOT at all.
Iman is no where near Rhondo in comparing their shots.
He actually has a pretty good form. If he continues to work on his shot, he can improve just like Cp3, Rose, Westbrook all did *huge improvement from college*
He has great size, handle, penetration, and from what I see, with that physical combination he has, he can excel in the PnR.
I know he has yet to play an NBA game and he has a lot of hard work and learning and experience to gain.
He has a very high ceiling and I want these veterans in KG, Ray Allan, and Nash because they are also great mentors of the game in and off the court.
He seems very coachable and shows respect to his peers as well. He also doesn't lack confidence, in fact he is quite confident.
He has that confidence, doesn't seem arrogant or ****y about it as well.

KG and Ray Allan both work hard in different area's of the game.
KG stays in gym, Ray Allan consistently take's thousands of shots on practice days, and Nash stretches *suppliments in diet*
I have watched Nash play a lot in Dallas and even more with Phoenix. He actually tries to defend. He just doesn't have the strength, size, length, speed, or any of the physical tooks to do so. Ive seen him get run over many of times, and he gets right back up. That best he can do is to try to stay in front of his man. He is not going to affect/alter/block 99% of players that will try to shoot on him. Players like Nash, Allan, and even Kidd, at their age, they are still doing their thing. Physically, their body and game have diminished
but they are still very effective at what they do. If we can somehow keep the MLE and still sign these guys, I would love it. I would welcome Chandler back with the max
MLE. He was the player I thought we would miss most out of the Denver trade. If we can use the other exemptions and veteran's minimum

Kidd wasn't able to penetrate the same way, Barea did at times. Kidd is the better passer without a doubt. There are things he could do and there are some Barea did a lot better than Kidd. Barea is so small and after he gets a nice pick, its hard for the person guarding him to recover, especially with that quickness and ability to shoot.
He then has the triple threat....

Penetrating all the way or half way for a pullup
passing, with Chandler cutting back in too
Shooting the wide open shot

above are the things TD has to continue to work on with Iman as well.
I believe a lot of us are very excited for the first time in a lot of years.
I think this is the best team we have I have ever seen in my lifetime before.
Grunwall deserves a good look at best executive of the year, especially if Green and Hunter plays well in and is in the roation.
Of course we probably need to go to the Eastern Conference as well.
Also depending on the deadline, to see who are done with their moves for this year...

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12/13/2011  2:57 PM
Nash follows a paleo diet, and this is a big reason for his continued all-star play despite his ugly years. He can dish 9+ a game for three more years. The sooner we jump on Soccer Steve Nash the sooner we will contend for the Golden Ball.
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12/13/2011  3:13 PM
i love Nash, but If I can get KG for the the MLE, I would rather get KG.

or if KG/Allan are willing to sign for the other exemption, that could work too.

It depends on what we want the FA pg to do, if we are looking for a start him?
It depends on how Iman and TD does and if they are possible PG's are closer to SG's/combo guard

I would have a tough time if I had to choose between Nash or Wilson Chandler for the MLE.

because in the PG's that we can probably get for the cheap are

1) Nash
2) Baron Davis
3) Sessions
5) Mo Williams *opt out clause*
6) Hinrich *back up role*

I want Nash here to also teach Iman and TD a thing or 2. With Ray Allan teaching shooting jump shots, and KG working out in the gym and preaching defense intensity with Chandler.

I hope we have multi year deals in which we can have the bird rights for

Chris Hunter
Devin Green

at least have a team option for 2 years?

Think they can produce nice rotation minutes. I don't think Jort's and Jordan are ready yet and i don't want too see Fishlips playing more than 9minutes a game, and not every game.
They are coming in to the Garden, with all this changed team, and a positive feeling. These guy's had to push themselves mentally and physically to believe, in themselves and contintue their dream of persuing playing basketball. I think they got game and its nice to cheer for these under dogs.

Coming in this situation and being title contenders would be a great situation for them. For the rookies and even our veterans, Amare n Melo, I think they can learn a bit of each other. Sometimes, as a star in the league, you forget how lucky they are to be in the position they are in. To have these 2 guys, knowing they can probably get cut any day and have to
continue their journey isn't an easy situation. It say's that they were given contracts, doesn't say if its guaranteed contract *probably not* , or their length of the contract.
But if they do get to stay, it would be a great start for them and for us. I wish them the best. If we get to add these veteran's in KG, Allan, and Nash, it would be great for these guys as well. With all respect, Amare and Melo are veterans in this league now, however, they don't possess the veteran leadership that KG, Allan, and Nash have the respect in the league from the coaching to players have.

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12/13/2011  4:19 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Nash follows a paleo diet, and this is a big reason for his continued all-star play despite his ugly years. He can dish 9+ a game for three more years. The sooner we jump on Soccer Steve Nash the sooner we will contend for the Golden Ball.

This is exactly right. Who cares how old he is when we are in 'win now' mode. He will help us win now more than most.

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12/13/2011  5:27 PM
he has a High IQ and produces vs Jamal Crawford, he has been doubted about his age for around 5 years already.
He is still producing at a very high level!
The way he plays, makes his team better with his penetration, passing, and chemistry player.

He is the much better option vs Jamal and shows it shows by the %

3pt %
FG%
Free throw %

And he can mentor Iman and TD, I don't want Crawford teaching those guy's to

1) taking bad shots
2) getting the glory for it in the Garden, its like a drug, when you feel the Garden cheer for u like that....
3) taking a nice bulk of shots away from Amare/Melo. It could disrupt chemistry between those 3 and the rest of the team.

Nash can come out and score 20+ points if he wants to. He chooses to create shots for his team.
His shot is still WET but he is such a great team/chemistry player that our young guys can learn off and the rest of our team can feed off..

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12/13/2011  5:43 PM
I like Felton, because he can play d and push the ball up and he's not bad offensively.
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12/14/2011  12:53 AM
I'd resign Fields above all else, unless he totally lays an egg this season... If we still have our MLE, I'd consider Felton but if he has a nice season, coming up, there's no way he just gets the MLE... and I doubt he'd consider us b/c he seemed pissed about being traded.
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12/14/2011  3:44 AM
I don't understand why

Iman is not getting thee same love by some people here.
Nash would be brought to mentor Iman and TD with thee PnR...

I think Iman is a realistic possible long term PG..
with TD as our 6th man type with Terry's role with better D and not nearly as polished offensive skills.
but almost as deadly range...

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12/14/2011  9:44 AM
Martin--lets focus on this season. Its a short season and its a chance for a team like the Knicks to possibly sneak up on some teams. I think we are lacking at the guard positions and are very thin in the back up frontline positions. We do have a very nice frontline(we have to see how it fits but its good no doubt about it)

Back in 1992-1994 we had a similar caliber frontline(with more depth and good guard play) we had a few injuries--notably doc rivers that killed us or atleast probably swung the pendulum from a championship. Nonetheless I think we still need more from the guard position and if we can improve this year if we are in good playoff position--I think shoot whatever lo a d we have left trying to improve right now.

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12/14/2011  9:47 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:I'd resign Fields above all else, unless he totally lays an egg this season... If we still have our MLE, I'd consider Felton but if he has a nice season, coming up, there's no way he just gets the MLE... and I doubt he'd consider us b/c he seemed pissed about being traded.

I like Ray too, but this penchant for weight gain during the off-season is gonna catch up to him. At this point of his career he needs to think about year round conditioning. Those young boys are gonna zip right by him. It will be interesting to see how he fares in this shortened season.

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