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RonRon
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12/12/2011  12:16 AM
I think for 3 reasons.

1) Odom no, longer felt comfortable to being in Lakers, Dallas, being a contender could use his services. They did Odom a favor by letting him compete and received a pick in it.

2) Laker's aren't done dealing, when dealing with a rebuilding team, the exemption could be worth more. If dealing Odom to a rebuilding team, he wouldn't be happy. On top of it, he
has a player opt out that he probably doesn't want to use at this point of his career. It could possibly be the biggest contract he will see again. When a team is looking to
unload salary, the exemption, can take salary cap instantly off and save money to the rebuilding team.

3) Their eyes, are now on Dwight, after not matching up with New Orleans and Stern. They believe they can offer Gasol or Bynum, with multiple draft picks, and take back Turkeglu.
Which would be used to play Odom's position. To get Dwight Howard, they have picks, a young player, or Center piece to build around, and salary to take back Turk.


Clipper's can probably obtain Dwight or Cp3, they have some interesting young pieces to offer, with the Wolve's unprotected pick in this year's draft? They have a center in Deandre Jordan and Kaman. For their team, probably adding Cp3 would make their team more efficient. However, Dwight is one of a kind species. Don't think they can trade Deandre Jordan till
deadline though. I also don't think Turkoglu fits in Clipper's as well vs Lakers. With Griffen at PF, Butler and Turkoglu might to have to speed/quickness to guard SG's at this point of their careers.

LA Clippers assets
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Wolves unprotected pick
Clipper's pick

Blake Griffen - he is a beast but Dwight is truly one of a kind, if they play their cards right, they can obtain Cp3 and Dwight if they are willing to part with Blake
Eric Gordon
Bledsoe
Aminu

Mo Williams
Kaman
Randy Foye

Deandre Jordan

Lakers Assets
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Dallas 1st round pick
Their 1st round picks
trade exemption for Odom 8m?

Bynum
Gasol

Darrius Morris

Orlando
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Dwight Howard
Turkeglu

will probably also look to unload

Duhon 3 year 11million
Q Richardson 3 year 8 million

Reddick 2 year 12.5m
Nelson 2 year 15m

I think these guys aren't as bad with shorter contracts and being way more productive and younger.

New Orleans
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Cp3
Ok4

Ariza
Jarret Jack

Ariza and Jack are asset's but it's they could deal them to sweeten up the deal if the price was right.


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Clippers can give an offer of

Blake Griffen/Kaman/Aminu 1 Clipper 1st rounder for just Dwight and not taking Turkeglu back but taking Richardson and Duhon

Griffen is probably the best player in his rookie contract with that much upside for a big man.
However, can the Magic, be able to build around him, before he decides to leave.


Cp3/Ok4/Ariza, Jack

Wolves 1st rounder
Mo Williams, Eric Gordon, Bledsoe, Randy Foye

Clippers lineup after trades
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Cp3
Ariza/Jack
Butler
Ok4
Dwight Howard

Deandre Jordan * could be moved in dead line*
Jarret Jack
Gomes
Q Richardson
Duhon

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12/12/2011  12:41 AM
Clippers probably better off just trading for Cp3

If Lakers are willing to offer Pau and Bynum

Lakers
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Dwight Howard
use exemption to fill for Kris or Samuel Dalembert 40m 4 years
Artest
Kobe
Fisher/Blake

Turkeglu
Q Richardson

Orlando
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Bynum
Pau
Richarson
Redick
Jameer

no draft picks but they don't have to rebuild either with Bynum or Pau, just try to fill in players in the summer and about the same after losing DH
Glen Davis
Duhon

Clippers
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Deandre Jordan
Blake Griffen
Butler
Gordon
Cp3

Ok4
Foye
Ariza
Gomes/Gomes


New Orleans
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Kaman
PF
Aminu or Gomes
Jack
Mo Williams/Bledsoe


La Clippers Pick/Wolves unprotected pick

If they play their card's right, they can be rebuilding in the formula of Thunder's sucess
Kaman could be fill in and will decide to extend him or let him walk.
They achieve draft picks/younger players/expiring deals/while unloading Ok4

Think these guys, are their ideal partners for each other.
Not sure if Laker's are willing to part with both Pau/Bynum but they would still have the exemption to fill a player.
It's a lot, 2 for 1, but DH is superior talent. Bynum after all these knee injuries, no longer would be a ? for them.

Orlando, if they can get Pau and Bynum for Dwight/Turk/ and unload 1 bad contract in Q Richardson. They would still be playoff contenders at the least.
No draft picks but 2 great players in Pau and Bynum, they can retrade one player in deadline if they wish. Bynum can now be the #1 option and see if he can carry a team with Pau.

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12/12/2011  12:47 AM
RonRon wrote:Clippers probably better off just trading for Cp3

If Lakers are willing to offer Pau and Bynum

Lakers
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Dwight Howard
use exemption to fill for Kris or Samuel Dalembert 40m 4 years
Artest
Kobe
Fisher/Blake

Turkeglu
Q Richardson

Orlando
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Bynum
Pau
Richarson
Redick
Jameer

no draft picks but they don't have to rebuild either with Bynum or Pau, just try to fill in players in the summer and about the same after losing DH
Glen Davis
Duhon

Clippers
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Deandre Jordan
Blake Griffen
Butler
Gordon
Cp3

Ok4
Foye
Ariza
Gomes/Gomes


New Orleans
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Kaman
PF
Aminu or Gomes
Jack
Mo Williams/Bledsoe


La Clippers Pick/Wolves unprotected pick

If they play their card's right, they can be rebuilding in the formula of Thunder's sucess
Kaman could be fill in and will decide to extend him or let him walk.
They achieve draft picks/younger players/expiring deals/while unloading Ok4

Think these guys, are their ideal partners for each other.
Not sure if Laker's are willing to part with both Pau/Bynum but they would still have the exemption to fill a player.
It's a lot, 2 for 1, but DH is superior talent. Bynum after all these knee injuries, no longer would be a ? for them.

Orlando, if they can get Pau and Bynum for Dwight/Turk/ and unload 1 bad contract in Q Richardson. They would still be playoff contenders at the least.
No draft picks but 2 great players in Pau and Bynum, they can retrade one player in deadline if they wish. Bynum can now be the #1 option and see if he can carry a team with Pau.

The Clippers can put together the best offer, by fair. They can offer high quality assets in the forms of high quality picks, young talent, and significanty reducing their financial obligations. This makes the most sense for the franchise value, but then David Stern essentially has to sign off that Donal Sterling controls one of the best teams in basketball

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12/12/2011  3:17 AM
Watching Kobe's reaction to the Odom trade, I was struck with how he kept repeating it was hard for him to see "especially to them" (the Mavs). And then Chris Paul in the same building? Wacky stuff.
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12/12/2011  3:24 AM
DrAlphaeus wrote:Watching Kobe's reaction to the Odom trade, I was struck with how he kept repeating it was hard for him to see "especially to them" (the Mavs). And then Chris Paul in the same building? Wacky stuff.

Seems incredibly odd that the Lakers would trade part of their gigantic frontcourt without upgrading another position

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12/12/2011  8:21 AM
Lakes got the trade exemption.

This enables them to trade for Dwight and take Turkeyglue's contract.

For all we know, Lakes might be looking past Kobe and thinking its rebuild time.

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12/12/2011  8:36 AM
VCoug wrote:Does anyone understand what LA is doing this offseason? The trade they had in place for Chris Paul was, I believe, really bad for them. And now they trade Odom for a protected 1st and a trade exemption; one that doesn't apparently help their chances of getting Dwight. I just don't get it.

They're panicking after one bad playoff series and destroying a great team.
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12/12/2011  8:47 AM
Nalod wrote:Lakes got the trade exemption.

This enables them to trade for Dwight and take Turkeyglue's contract.

For all we know, Lakes might be looking past Kobe and thinking its rebuild time.

There's multiple reports that the trade exemption isn't large enough to also trade for Hedo.

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12/12/2011  11:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/12/2011  11:49 AM
ITs a chess game with pieces we can not see.

For all we know Lakes undercut the market and might have been SHOCKED the trade was accepted to begin with.

Kupchek is a hell of a GM and I don't think they are panicing, they just know that without Jax in place the team has a diffent complexion and OhDumb getting moved is not a killer for them.

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12/12/2011  12:34 PM
Michael6835 wrote:So what happens to cp3 now?

He's going to LA (Clips that is) to play with Blake. Should be interesting.,

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12/12/2011  1:47 PM
i get the sense, these new rules and taxes make a huge difference. Revenue sharing, w/e it is, one wrong step and you can lose millions.
Everyone seems to want to have their salaries down.
Even, us, after acquiring Tyson Chandler.
I believe we had money left over. Unless we need it to sign our rookies, Iman, Harrallson, Jordan and his buyout*if we had to do that it wasn't worth it*.
But Turiaf + Billups makes 16m+ and Knicks were at under 60m. So Chandler starts at 12.5 ish?
Cap is about 58m?

We should have about 4.5m and the 2.5m exemption?
Can we not go over our cap space to sign 1st rounders or just 2nd rounders? Or Neither?
I mean, it would just make sense, for us to try to use that cap space up, if we had that option?
But I noticed a lot of teams, are serious about not overpaying.

Even Cuban, for him not to pay Chandler, its so unlike Cuban?
And if the above is true and we did have an opportunity to use that 4.5m? It would be unlike Dolan.
If we just gave up this opportunity to spend and finish acquiring depth and role players, something can be steaming...

We went from building on a playoff contender to finals contender over a night with Chandler.
Since we went to WIN NOW mode, I would think the Knick's would look to acquire depth and finish our role players/bench.
Even if it was at the cost of 2nd rounders, assuming if we can go over the cap to sign Iman.
Even if we can't and the buyout of Jerome Jordan eats up our cap, we could have sign minimum deals after we use up all the cap space.

Only 3 possible reasons, it could lead to for doing this Knicks...

1) Amnestying Billups and going under the cap, we can't sign our draft picks(although i am not sure about 1st rounders, Iman)
we wanted to be able to add 2nd rounder, Josh Harrellson and Jordan, to learn from this Tyson Chandler, and play a role and practice to be our future centers.
4 year's just isn't a lot of time.

2) The Knicks are thinking about restructered deals of Melo, Amare, and possibly Chandler, to sign a big FA this off season. While it won't be enough
for a max player, it can be another player that can be a big force with this squad. Maybe a KG or Duncan like talent?

3) I am over thinking it, the new CBA, with revenue sharing, and the luxury tax can make spending $ turning to from making profit to losing $ being a step or 2.


However, if it's the 3rd reason, I don't see why we wouldn't resign Shawne Williams with some of that money...
And with 2 more exceptions to possibly use, which we never heard the Knick's even mention about spending or using?

The Bi Annual exemption, was that used for Mosgov last year?
We have 3 roster spots left, without the signing of Shawne Williams.

We could use a shooter, a G/PG, a backup SF/PF.

With Barea *of course wolves would sign him, they only has 2 pg's this seasons without him.
Anthony Parker is resigned by Cleveland as well.


Shooters
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Peja
Redd

Delone West


Forwards
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AK47
Shawne Williams


PF/C
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Sean Williams
Fesenko

Peja

With Redd, having a trouble history with injuries, I would prefer Peja. He has great size and is a reliable shooter.
The last couple of years and last year with Dallas, he could play a role from 20+ minutes, 5-10minutes, or no minutes at all.
He can help space the floor, play multiple roles with minutes, and has great size.
While I wouldn't call him a good defender, he is a 6'10 big boy, with great range, and length.
With limited minutes, he can probably guard, BACKUP PG's to even SFs with his size or undersized PF
I am not asking him to guard starters, limited minutes with backup's....
He is a high bball iq player that still know's his role, we should look at him for the minimum...

Ak47

He also has a good basketball IQ and is a team player. He has great versatility and was once a lock down defender.
While Tyson Chandler is the combination of size, strength, quickness for size, some agility, and length at the center.
Ak47 is the combination basically the same combination as Chandler except for strength. He would be a great fit for this system as well.

He is one of the better shot blocking, passing, rebounding, steals at SF/PF. He can be our poor man's Marion
I don't think he has the quickness to guard the SF's as much anymore but he can play some minutes from the SF, PF, and the Center.
At this point of his career, he probably would be better suited guarding PF with his length and quickness. But he can contribute a little bit of everything.
He didn't play many games last year due to injuries, even for the past couple of seasons I think. But at the price of 2.5m at best, its a good investment.
He can play the Jeffries role
He would probably be out best shot blocking after Chandler and he can play with him together as well.

I would like to lock in both above players, if they have interest in coming with 2/3 of our roster spots.....

If Baron Davis, clear's waivers, which he didn't even get amnestied yet. However, with 4 possible PG's and the resigning of Parker @ SG, they would either look to
amnesty BDiddy or trade Sessions or Gibson.

For the 3rd spot, there is Shawne Williams, we all know what he is about. He's played in the system before, if we can't get Ak47, I would love the idea of having him back.
He can probably play some backup SG as well as the SF, and PF, with the SF, being the natural position.

Like I said, I would look for an athletic rebounder/shot blocker in case Chandler gets hurt.
Sean Williams being a player that is athletic and has the ability to play PF/C.
With this team, I don't believe he would be a headcase. With all these veteran players and Championship Caliber team, it's a great opportunity for him to earn a new contract.
He is still young and has a taste and some experience in the league when he started for the Nets.
We have big bodies in Jorts and Jordan, however, neither is an athletic type.
Jordan is long but he looks a little too weak to me to play a center. He isn't quick enough to play the PF or play together with Chandler as well.

I think Fesenko, isn't really a shot blocker. If you watch the video's on him, he doesn't get much lift.
His strength I think is his ability to score with him being so unorthodox, with good size. He isn't a pretty player or face, by any means but he can play a nice backup position.

Delonte West is a pretty good shooter and defender as well. I am not sure how he play's the pick and roll but with limited minutes he can still contribute.

I want to add players that play with the TEAM concept and can play limited and bigger roles when called upon. I wouldn't want to take a big risk with a big headcase.
However, with limited roles, and a team full of veterans, I would give some players a chance to be turn things around with a contender.

I think a deep team with good chemistry starts by the coaching and the talent around them. This is why I would first look to sign Peja and Ak47.
They are team players, are coachable, and fill in a need we have. Peja could be possibly obtained for the veteran minimum and is probably the best shooter left in FA.
Ak47 is just a nice luxury to have, while he has some question mark's about his injuries. We aren't looking to pay him a whole lot and he isn't exactly old.
He was one of the better versatile defenders in his prime and I believe he still has some gas in him.
We can offer these types of player's an opportunity to contend and contribute. We became an unattractive team to being a high courted team, overnight, with Tyson Chandler
and win now mode. Adding the right players, style's, and locker room presence can change the atmosphere.
If thing's don't work out with Delonte West or Sean Williams, we can simply cut them. But I think they have the talent to contribute and we aren't asking them to play
a starter or 6th type role. This is a good opportunity for them to turn things around and compete with a nice core.

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12/12/2011  2:00 PM
I will never, ever understand this trade- the speed with which Odom was traded, the fact it was for nothing, and most importantly the fact it was to Dallas- I just don't get it- surely another team out east would have taken him for a TE. It's just a very very fishy trade and it appears there is no Howrad deal lined up that would have made it make more sense.
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12/12/2011  2:32 PM
smackeddog wrote:I will never, ever understand this trade- the speed with which Odom was traded, the fact it was for nothing, and most importantly the fact it was to Dallas- I just don't get it- surely another team out east would have taken him for a TE. It's just a very very fishy trade and it appears there is no Howrad deal lined up that would have made it make more sense.

Stern just messed that one up for arkwardness and negative feelings from Odom and the Lakers. From what we hear, it sounds like Odom is hurt, just like how Billup's is.
He seems to be the nice guy and has done all he has been asked to do and more with them. You know he wanted to finish his career there and it was a way for Laker's to get something
and do him a little favor, giving him to a contender. They feel they are the favorites to land DH at this point, and never though Orlando was going to ask for both Pau and Bynum.
Think they 1 is sufficent and trading DH to the West would more sense than the East.

2Lakers 1st rounders
Bynum or Gasol
and absorbing Turkeglu's contract
Exemption,

is the best offer they can Orlando can get.

While I think it is better than most offers, especially better than Nets.
There can be many attractive offers for DH and Orlando wants to see the best offer they can get.
He is the only true player his caliber at his position....
So if Laker's are willing to do a 2 for 1 and take a bad contract or 2, with Q Richardson, unlikely *Duhon*
While if they still give up 1st rounder or 2 future picks with that offeer, it would seem like Robbery. But DH is still the best player by far, to Orlando.
Add DH in to that lineup and if Kobe is willing to take less, *without taking Q or Duhon's contract*, maybe take Redick or Nelson in the deal.
This would be similar to how Denver got us by the ballz.
Lakers would be overpaying but..... DH is far more greater in talent and franchise wise better than Melo, in my opinion at least.

Clippers can do an attractive offer as well, but Cp3, suits Clippers better....
But u just never know, even Thunder, Washington, Pacers, Memphis if they can *sign trade Gasol* can jump in with a decent package .

However, if Laker's do do that

Lakers 1st round pick 1 maybe 2
Pau
Bynum
*no exemption* so can use it this year.....

Orlando

DH
Turk
Nelson
Q or Duhon

its going to depend on who gives in first. I don't know if Orlando would be rebuilding or not if they did this though.
They still have some bad contracts and I don't see them all moving...
But if can pull a robbery with the Lakers thing's wont be so bad after all

They will say the same thing Nugget's said? It would be a bigger robbery than Melo by far, especially if they get Laker's 2 picks and give back Duhon or Q Richardson

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12/12/2011  7:17 PM
I would love to add AK47 to this cast. Pena too make sense certainly more than Bibby. Peja > JCraw for a shooting role. I am interested in knowing what the thinking is with Jorts. Will he se any PT? Can he be the backup C/PF for rebounding along with Shelden? Do we still have Shelden? Its getting hard to keep our roster straight.
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12/12/2011  10:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/12/2011  10:44 PM
Nalod wrote:ITs a chess game with pieces we can not see.

For all we know Lakes undercut the market and might have been SHOCKED the trade was accepted to begin with.

Kupchek is a hell of a GM and I don't think they are panicing, they just know that without Jax in place the team has a diffent complexion and OhDumb getting moved is not a killer for them.

Huh? Why would they be shocked that someone bought when they were undercutting the market? That's the point of undercutting, people can get what they want for cheaper. And if they were so shocked, they could have withdrawn the trade offer.

As for Odom not being a big loss, the difference between LA losing the NBA Finals in 2008, and winning in 2009 and 2010, was Odom. Everyone else pretty much played the same in all three series except for Odom, he sucked in their loss but played well when they won.

Finally, I don't know why you think Kupchak is "a hell of a GM." He's had exactly one good draft pick, Bynum; everyone else he's drafted has done nothing. He's given ridiculous contracts to Ron Artest, Steve Blake, and Luke Walton. If he hadn't been gifted Pau Gasol he wouldn't even have a job right now with LA.

EDIT: I realized as soon as I posted that he has one other good draft pick: Marc Gasol. But everything else I said still stands, and 2 draft picks in 11 years isn't anything to brag about.

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