Childs2Dudley wrote:Sounds like nothing is in the works.

Shhhhhush, if you listne very closely you can hear it. Must be still and really listen.

Shhhhhhhh.......nice and quiet........Hear it? No......what abotu now? Oh yea, you can hear it! Oh yeah, it gets louder and louder!

Yup, Oh yeah, slow now, slow, oh yeah, little faster, thats it, don't stop! Don't stop, Oh yeah..........

The sound of a good starphuch is hard to miss!

The key for the Hornets is to avoid getting "LeBron'd." That means not getting left at the altar next July with nothing but a trade exception burning a hole in your pocket for a year. If basketball is to work in the Big Easy post-Paul, the Hornets have to get a treasure trove of assets back in return -- an All-Star player, young talent and multiple Draft picks.
That is why the Hornets are hoping for a different approach with Paul than James had with the Cavaliers in his final season in Cleveland, or, to a lesser degree, Anthony had last season in Denver before getting traded to New York. While the Hornets are hopeful they can somehow convince Paul to stay, they are realists. Given the constraints of being under the league's ownership this season, and the lack of talent on the roster relative to other places, they know that Paul wants out. And they are willing to help facilitate that, as long as there's a return that makes them whole as a franchise and able to go forward in New Orleans when the team is eventually sold. So while they hope against hope Paul somehow has a change of heart, they also plan to work with Paul and his representatives, to try and make the best possible deal if it comes to that.
In short, the Hornets are going to act like grownups and not complain about their small-market plight. They want Paul to be able to come back to New Orleans some day when and if he is traded and get a standing O. Paul's love for New Orleans has been genuine, as has his good work throughout the city. Those haven't been forgotten, no matter what happens.

The Knicks have a few things... they have $$ and they have Billups expiring deal.

The Knicks would trade the rights to Shumpert, Jerome Jordon, Douglas, Fields and Turiaf to NO
The Knicks would need to use Billups expiring in the deal for another player with a BAD contract for some picks we could then route to NO, with NO taking some player back as well.

The Knicks have some pieces to make this happen, it would leave them with literally nothing but CP3, Amare and Melo but it seems a guy like Walsh could outfit the roster with solid role players to get us going right away. Fields (2nd round), Douglas (bought draft pick), Mosgov (FA), Shawn Williams (FA) etc were all valuable players. We are going to need a lot more of that.

Time will tell.

Who is the Knicks GM again? (Thats a serious question)

AnubisADL wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Stat, Melo and Iman should be untouchables right now. Everybody else can be traded.

Iman untouchable?

Dude hasnt even played a NBA game yet.

Bonn1997 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Stat, Melo and Iman should be untouchables right now. Everybody else can be traded.

Iman untouchable?

Dude hasnt even played a NBA game yet.

Iman's a second round pick and probably has a 1% chance of being an all-star, whereas Paul is the best PG in the game. Fans here salivate over the majority of our 1st and 2nd round picks but this here is crazy.
We could have gone in a different direction where we genuinely rebuilt and got lots of young talent. Then keeping Iman would make more sense. But this is a win-now team. Even if Iman does become an all-star, Amare will have had his legs amputated by then.

There were no other options for building this team! They told us what they planned to do years ago and it was crystal clear. This is NY and you know this org. wants stars to fill the seats. There was no way this team was going to flop for years in order to HOPEFULLY draft an elite player or two to eventually become a title contender. This org. wanted to fast track the process after years of losing. They wanted known stars that also give the team a chance to win despite how you might feel about them.

CrushAlot wrote:There is no way any package of leftovers from the Melo trade and Shumpert gets Chris Paul to NY. After the roster was pillaged last year I don't see how anyone can be considered untouchable. That being said there is nothing left in NY that gets you a top 5 guy like Paul. The Hornets can't even use the Knicks to get other teams to up their offers.

I mean it really depends on what Chris Paul does. At worse I think New Orleans gets a pick in a sign and trade this summer.

However, the problem is they will have a ****ty first round pick and scrubs next year. Maybe they think it's better to tank in this better quality draft and get 2 prospects during a shortened season versus the alternative.

Bonn1997 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Stat, Melo and Iman should be untouchables right now. Everybody else can be traded.

Iman untouchable?

Dude hasnt even played a NBA game yet.

Iman's a second round pick and probably has a 1% chance of being an all-star, whereas Paul is the best PG in the game. Fans here salivate over the majority of our 1st and 2nd round picks but this here is crazy.
We could have gone in a different direction where we genuinely rebuilt and got lots of young talent. Then keeping Iman would make more sense. But this is a win-now team. Even if Iman does become an all-star, Amare will have had his legs amputated by then.

its people like that make Isiah Thomas look like a genius as a GM. CP3 is a luxury we can't afford to have. Have we not given up all our assets in the Melo trade he could be attainable. First of Shumpert is a 1st round pick and he has a very high ceiling. Our current need for the past 10 years is a defensive center. Our biggest problems over the past couple years have been shot blocking, rebounding, defense, and scoring efficiency. We already invested majority of our assets, cap, and picks in Melo and Amare.

Amare + Melo are both top 15 players, known to be under average defenders. Both are scorers, how is it a must do/have to get Cp3, to make our scoring more efficient?
Are we going to score 150pts on average per game? Cp3 is by no means a lock down defender, he gets steals, hes not bad for his size, but he doesn't have to ability to guard the elite guards, Rose, Westbrook, Wade, or Wall. He is a luxury, that we can't afford. We MUST balance back out our roster with defense, shot blocking, and rebounding.
If Shumpert must be traded to get CP3 you do it and don't think twice. That being said, i do hope we can keep someone who we drafted to develop.

We are lucky to get a talent at like Shumpert with our last pick in awhile we can use. Now you want to trade him and the rest of our cap for something that we don't need.
We keep bringing up the pre Melo trade because WE DIDNT HAVE TO DO IT and WE GAVE UP TOO MUCH. Even if he makes it to free agency, we could sign him without losing anything.
And even if the Nets trade for him, good for them! We look in other areas. Walsh was patient and was rebuilding the right way and Dolan butts in and messes it up.

We don't want to keep bringing this up, we are bringing it up because we are limited in our moves because of the trade. We are bringing it up because we keep repeating the same mistake, going after something we don't need. We had to sign a FA, then decide who to keep with our pre Melo players/picks and see what would get packaged for the 3rd player.
We killed our cap, our assets, our picks, and we still have no answer at Center. That is our priority and our missing link and we all know this but some still
want to kill the rest of our cap on fantasy basketball players. This isn't 3v3, its 5v5 and we need a team, with a bench, and a starting center.

Same thing applies for Shumpert, in fact he has more potential then Westbrook did on draft day. He already has a better form, better shot, better handle, and same size and explosiveness if not more than Westbrook had on his draft day. Does this mean he will be better, NO, but his potential is there. No one can predict what will happen he can tear his ACL or become a drunk and party in New York all the time. But he has shown he is dedicated to improving his game since the draft and has worth ethic.

I do label him as an untouchable and I have very much faith in him. If you are worried he wont develop before Amare's back or knee gets injured, get him a center that will rebound/ block shots and put a body on 2-300 pds and 7footers and not rely on Amare to do it or a 6 foot 9 guy in Turiaf or JJ. Blame it on the Melo trade. We didn't need to attain him at that price. We had a center, in face, Denver doesn't even need Mosgov, they just wanted to get whatever they can get out of us. We could still use him. In fact, they didn't need Wilson Chandler either, we could use him too.

RonRon wrote:2 years ago, during the draft, if you said you can would trade Westbrook for Cp3, EVERYONE would have laughed and said no way.
Well Westbrook improved a whole lot since then and even if they were traded for each other right now, NO ONE can say for sure who gets the better end of the trade.

Same thing applies for Shumpert, in fact he has more potential then Westbrook did on draft day. He already has a better form, better shot, better handle, and same size and explosiveness if not more than Westbrook had on his draft day. Does this mean he will be better, NO, but his potential is there. No one can predict what will happen he can tear his ACL or become a drunk and party in New York all the time. But he has shown he is dedicated to improving his game since the draft and has worth ethic.

I do label him as an untouchable and I have very much faith in him. If you are worried he wont develop before Amare's back or knee gets injured, get him a center that will rebound/ block shots and put a body on 2-300 pds and 7footers and not rely on Amare to do it or a 6 foot 9 guy in Turiaf or JJ. Blame it on the Melo trade. We didn't need to attain him at that price. We had a center, in face, Denver doesn't even need Mosgov, they just wanted to get whatever they can get out of us. We could still use him. In fact, they didn't need Wilson Chandler either, we could use him too.

Lol Westbrook had phenomenal workouts and shot up the draft board. Iman was drafted 17 in a semi weak draft.

Denver still owns Chandler's bird rights too.

We gave up spare parts to get Melo.

I'd prefer we get Dwight Howard but I assume they will trade him out West or he ends up with the Nets in Brooklyn.