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RonRon
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11/29/2011  3:24 PM
he cant possibly be any worse than Fishlips offensively. He isn't worth using the amnesty clause on. He can be used to play defense but Derrick Brown should get PT way before Balkman. If he wants to stay in the NBA, he has to start gaining some skills and become a good defender.

Balkman isn't anyone to be excited over and its fairly accurate what everyone said about him. However, there is a 0.5% chance that he can crack a rotation if he can play solid defense and injuries occur. He is a tweener, not really a SF but closest to a SF without a shot.
I wouldn't want to see him playing PF with our weak rebounding and size issues at center.

Its just not realistic that he would ever find minutes with

Melo
Shawne Williams
Derrick Brown

and these guys can also step in to play SF for minutes as well.

Bill Walker
Fields
Shumpert

I thought about his awhile back, I think we need to acquire a few better role players but with don't have many roster spots.
I have a hard time deciding an order but

Rautins
Balkman
Walker


are all in my possible cut list, especially if Shawne Williams is resigned. I would look to get another shooter or another player that has the size to guard the Lebron to replace him.
Brandon Wright, once a 8th pick, a Briggs favorite pick, had like a 5mill team option that I don't think the Nets picked up. He has freakish long arms with a 7'3 or 7'4 wingspan.
However, he hasn't produced or earn PT in the past couple of year due to injury. At 5mill, I wouldn't even think about him, but at the minimum, I think its a fair investment.

We just have qualifying offers to Brown, so if someone offers him a contract, I don't think we will match due to our attempt to add a 3rd player next summer.
We also don't know whats going on with Shawne Williams. He sounds like he really wants to be here and if he isn't too much money, I would like him back as well.

Shane Battier - FA now I love his game and think he would be fit well however, he is a luxury we cant afford to have right now.
Prince - FA

Tony Allen - FA 2013 can play a little of the PG, SG, or SF... great defender and tough.
Treva Ariza - PA 2013


Dunleavy - FA has had many injuries the past couple of years. There is a chance that he could do a one year deal to boost his stats up and I can see him fitting in New York as well.
Grant Hill - FA
Maurice Evans - FA is a veteran that can probably be acquired for the minimum or close to it as well.
Brandon Wright - not sure if he is a FA or not.


are the type of players I think we should target. Although Tony Allen will probably be a little too old by then. I would love Ariza back, he can give many players problems with his length and agility. I think Shumpert and Ariza would compliment each other defensively and would give Wade and Lebron a tough time, especially if we can add a Center to protect the rim. I would love to acquire Prince too but I don't see him taking a 1 year deal either.

or going for shooters

Anthony Parker
Peja
Kapono
Redd
James Jones

all 3 of these shooters, are great 3 point threats. I don't see Parker going for a veteran minimum and he will be courted by many contenders.


Shannon Brown
Antonio Daniels
Delonte West
Marques Daniels

These are a couple of tweeners at the PG/SG that might not cost too much.

I would love to improve our depth and 2-3 these all the guys above with another 1 center and 1 Pf/C.
I think there are some quality role players in this years FA. We just have to see who is willing to take a deal to come here at the right price.
We would also have to cut players in order to have a roster spot but I would like to remove the dead weight if we can acquire some of these guys.

Rautins
Walker
Balkman

What do you guys think? Are these guys worth a roster spot? Most of these players will probably be signed when the season starts.

For 2 big men I would look to sign include

Prizbilla
Aaron Gray
Jeff Foster
Sean Williams
McRoberts
Fesenko

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11/29/2011  3:29 PM
RonRon wrote:he cant possibly be any worse than Fishlips offensively. He isn't worth using the amnesty clause on. He can be used to play defense but Derrick Brown should get PT way before Balkman. If he wants to stay in the NBA, he has to start gaining some skills and become a good defender.

Balkman isn't anyone to be excited over and its fairly accurate what everyone said about him. However, there is a 0.5% chance that he can crack a rotation if he can play solid defense and injuries occur. He is a tweener, not really a SF but closest to a SF without a shot.
I wouldn't want to see him playing PF with our weak rebounding and size issues at center.

Its just not realistic that he would ever find minutes with

Melo
Shawne Williams
Derrick Brown

and these guys can also step in to play SF for minutes as well.

Bill Walker
Fields
Shumpert

I thought about his awhile back, I think we need to acquire a few better role players but with don't have many roster spots.
I have a hard time deciding an order but

Rautins
Balkman
Walker


are all in my possible cut list, especially if Shawne Williams is resigned. I would look to get another shooter or another player that has the size to guard the Lebron to replace him.
Brandon Wright, once a 8th pick, a Briggs favorite pick, had like a 5mill team option that I don't think the Nets picked up. He has freakish long arms with a 7'3 or 7'4 wingspan.
However, he hasn't produced or earn PT in the past couple of year due to injury. At 5mill, I wouldn't even think about him, but at the minimum, I think its a fair investment.

We just have qualifying offers to Brown, so if someone offers him a contract, I don't think we will match due to our attempt to add a 3rd player next summer.
We also don't know whats going on with Shawne Williams. He sounds like he really wants to be here and if he isn't too much money, I would like him back as well.

Shane Battier - FA now I love his game and think he would be fit well however, he is a luxury we cant afford to have right now.
Prince - FA

Tony Allen - FA 2013 can play a little of the PG, SG, or SF... great defender and tough.
Treva Ariza - PA 2013


Dunleavy - FA has had many injuries the past couple of years. There is a chance that he could do a one year deal to boost his stats up and I can see him fitting in New York as well.
Grant Hill - FA
Maurice Evans - FA is a veteran that can probably be acquired for the minimum or close to it as well.
Brandon Wright - not sure if he is a FA or not.


are the type of players I think we should target. Although Tony Allen will probably be a little too old by then. I would love Ariza back, he can give many players problems with his length and agility. I think Shumpert and Ariza would compliment each other defensively and would give Wade and Lebron a tough time, especially if we can add a Center to protect the rim. I would love to acquire Prince too but I don't see him taking a 1 year deal either.

or going for shooters

Anthony Parker
Peja
Kapono
Redd
James Jones

all 3 of these shooters, are great 3 point threats. I don't see Parker going for a veteran minimum and he will be courted by many contenders.


Shannon Brown
Antonio Daniels
Delonte West
Marques Daniels

These are a couple of tweeners at the PG/SG that might not cost too much.

I would love to improve our depth and 2-3 these all the guys above with another 1 center and 1 Pf/C.
I think there are some quality role players in this years FA. We just have to see who is willing to take a deal to come here at the right price.
We would also have to cut players in order to have a roster spot but I would like to remove the dead weight if we can acquire some of these guys.

Rautins
Walker
Balkman

What do you guys think? Are these guys worth a roster spot? Most of these players will probably be signed when the season starts.

For 2 big men I would look to sign include

Prizbilla
Aaron Gray
Jeff Foster
Sean Williams
McRoberts
Fesenko

excellent post

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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11/29/2011  3:31 PM
I went to the Balkman draft. I felt like I got punched in the stomach. Granted, we all wanted the laptop thief, and he stunk too, but everyone in the stands booed like hell. It was a horrible pick then and obviously played out to be a horrible pick now. He has accomplished nothing of note in his career, except win a couple an NIT for South Carolina and won the NIT MVP. And that's even a stretch.

Claiming that Balkman made an impact on the Knicks is like saying that Frank Williams made an impact on the Knicks. Guys having no business being in the rotation getting minutes because the roster sucks isn't an accomplishment

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11/29/2011  3:31 PM
This is getting sad. I give up. I really will not argue with someone who wants to defend Balkman.
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11/29/2011  3:58 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Phoenix never indicated they wanted Balkman and even flat out denied that allegation after Isiah made it. To believe anything Isiah Thomas says is a mistake.

Isiah could draft? Channing Frye, Nate Robinson, Mardy Collins, Renaldo Balkman say what's up.

Yes, Renaldo Balkman. The same Balkman who is one of the worst players in the league. He cannot shoot, he cannot pass, he can't play defense, he is a lazy player who is constantly high and has 0 basketball IQ.

That Renaldo Balkman is the one you expect to resurrect his career? Is this a joke thread? D'Antoni banished him after 3 games last year to the point where he wasn't even sitting on the bench during games.

Balman was never good and never will be.

Completely agree. Isiah can draft myth has no support in hard data.
Balkman is a moron and should never have been allowed to disgrace the NBA.

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11/29/2011  4:00 PM
It's really about just dealing with the facts. Balkman is a hustle/energy guy. He has limited skills, low BB IQ and that is a non starter for playing in this system. People want to compare him to Jared, but as sad as it sounds Jared is better than Balkman. Jared has butterfingers, but he has a higher BB IQ than Balk and he even learned to hit some 3's. He's taller and that means he can slot into the PF/C spot when needed. Balkman really is too low in the BB IQ and Skillz dept. to really be successful here.
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11/29/2011  5:08 PM

Players taken after Balky:

20 NYK Renaldo Balkman University of South Carolina
21 PHO Rajon Rondo University of Kentucky
22 NJN Marcus Williams University of Connecticut
23 NJN Josh Boone University of Connecticut
24 MEM Kyle Lowry Villanova University
25 CLE Shannon Brown Michigan State University
26 LAL Jordan Farmar UCLA
27 PHO Sergio Rodriguez Spain
28 DAL Maurice Ager Michigan State University
29 NYK Mardy Collins Temple University
30 POR Joel Freeland England
Round 2
# Team Name College/HS/Country
1 POR James White University of Cincinnati
2 HOU Steve Novak Marquette University
3 ATL Solomon Jones University of South Florida
4 LAC Paul Davis Michigan State University
5 TOR P.J. Tucker University of Texas at Austin
6 MIN Craig Smith Boston College
7 MIN Bobby Jones University of Washington
8 GSW Kosta Perovic Serbia
9 MIL David Noel University of North Carolina
10 SEA Denham Brown University of Connecticut
11 ORL James Augustine Illinois
12 CLE Daniel Gibson University of Texas at Austin
13 NOO Marcus Vinicius Vieira de Souza Brazil
14 ORL Lior Eliyahu Israel
15 IND Alexander Johnson Florida State University
16 UTA Dee Brown Illinois
17 UTA Paul Millsap Louisiana Tech University
18 WAS Vladimir Veremeenko Belarus
19 DEN Leon Powe University of California
20 ORL Ryan Hollins UCLA
21 LAL Cheick Samb Senegal
22 LAC Guillermo Diaz University of Miami
23 SEA Yotam Halperin Israel
24 NJN Hassan Adams University of Arizona
25 CLE Ejike Ugboaja Nigeria
26 TOR Edin Bavcic Bosnia
27 MIN Loukas Mavrokefalidis Greece
28 DAL J.R. Pinnock George Washington University
29 SAS Damir Markota Croatia
30 DET Will Blalock Iowa State University


There is always a few "SHOULD HAVES" but this was not a great draft at the lower end. Never one to defend Isiah, but this draft he was stretching. He wiffed on 2006 going 0-2. Rondo would not have done well on the knicks.

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11/29/2011  5:31 PM
i actually liked Frank Williams and Mardy Collins...
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11/29/2011  5:34 PM
Nalod wrote:

Players taken after Balky:

20 NYK Renaldo Balkman University of South Carolina
21 PHO Rajon Rondo University of Kentucky
22 NJN Marcus Williams University of Connecticut
23 NJN Josh Boone University of Connecticut
24 MEM Kyle Lowry Villanova University
25 CLE Shannon Brown Michigan State University
26 LAL Jordan Farmar UCLA
27 PHO Sergio Rodriguez Spain
28 DAL Maurice Ager Michigan State University
29 NYK Mardy Collins Temple University
30 POR Joel Freeland England
Round 2
# Team Name College/HS/Country
1 POR James White University of Cincinnati
2 HOU Steve Novak Marquette University
3 ATL Solomon Jones University of South Florida
4 LAC Paul Davis Michigan State University
5 TOR P.J. Tucker University of Texas at Austin
6 MIN Craig Smith Boston College
7 MIN Bobby Jones University of Washington
8 GSW Kosta Perovic Serbia
9 MIL David Noel University of North Carolina
10 SEA Denham Brown University of Connecticut
11 ORL James Augustine Illinois
12 CLE Daniel Gibson University of Texas at Austin
13 NOO Marcus Vinicius Vieira de Souza Brazil
14 ORL Lior Eliyahu Israel
15 IND Alexander Johnson Florida State University
16 UTA Dee Brown Illinois
17 UTA Paul Millsap Louisiana Tech University
18 WAS Vladimir Veremeenko Belarus
19 DEN Leon Powe University of California
20 ORL Ryan Hollins UCLA
21 LAL Cheick Samb Senegal
22 LAC Guillermo Diaz University of Miami
23 SEA Yotam Halperin Israel
24 NJN Hassan Adams University of Arizona
25 CLE Ejike Ugboaja Nigeria
26 TOR Edin Bavcic Bosnia
27 MIN Loukas Mavrokefalidis Greece
28 DAL J.R. Pinnock George Washington University
29 SAS Damir Markota Croatia
30 DET Will Blalock Iowa State University


There is always a few "SHOULD HAVES" but this was not a great draft at the lower end. Never one to defend Isiah, but this draft he was stretching. He wiffed on 2006 going 0-2. Rondo would not have done well on the knicks.

Balk wasn't even rated as a second round pick in most mocks so almost all of the guys you listed were considered better prospects. I think it helped Balk a lot that his coach/gm had something to prove by giving him minutes and having him have some success. He is about as marginal an NBA player as there is. I always thought that pick was Isiah's attempt to shock the world and prove that he incredible drafting prowess.
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11/29/2011  11:19 PM
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11/30/2011  2:20 AM
Nalod wrote:There is always a few "SHOULD HAVES" but this was not a great draft at the lower end. Never one to defend Isiah, but this draft he was stretching. He wiffed on 2006 going 0-2. Rondo would not have done well on the knicks.

Agreed, but an obvious need was a PG heading into that draft. Marcus Williams was seen as a head case/lotto talent type, Rondo fell because of his shooting ability, Kyle Lowry and Jordan Farmar had very good collegiate careers, and Shannon Brown was a combo guard with uber-athleticism. Lowry, Farmar, and Brown had great NCAA performances.

Any of those guys would have been infinitely better than Mardy Collins. At the time I—and everyone at the Garden—was incensed that Isiah took the guy no one heard of or wanted and let decent point prsospects get away and then draft a crappy point prospect next.

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11/30/2011  6:24 AM
You know, a lot depends on the team and the coach.

Phil Jax gets a lot out of the right kind of player. Its both coaching and the players the picks walk on to.

Look what Phil did with Reezy! Took the kid to another level.

Maybe Balky on the Lakers would have had a better result? Lots of variables to picks.

Its a pretty generic discussion and would apply to lots of players too.

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11/30/2011  8:11 AM
BasketballJones wrote:

It's memories like this that make me miss the lockout already.

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11/30/2011  1:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2011  1:24 PM
The bottomline, Balkman never put in the work to improve his offensive game. The guy has a decent handle, is an above-average shot-blocker for a SF, is an solid rebounder for a SF, and plays solid man-to-man defense. But he cannot hit the side of the barn with his shot and in the 5 years that he has been in the league, he has not made any noticeable improvement in that area. When he got drafted, I was hoped he would develop his jumper like David Lee did. It, however, has not happended and I doubt it will.
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11/30/2011  1:39 PM
RonRon wrote:i actually liked Frank Williams and Mardy Collins...

Add balk to that list and u have the " I thought they would better list"

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11/30/2011  5:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2011  5:04 PM
jrodmc wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:

It's memories like this that make me miss the lockout already.

So they have the same number: "I-SUCK"

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11/30/2011  5:59 PM
Nalod wrote:You know, a lot depends on the team and the coach.

Phil Jax gets a lot out of the right kind of player. Its both coaching and the players the picks walk on to.

Look what Phil did with Reezy! Took the kid to another level.

Maybe Balky on the Lakers would have had a better result? Lots of variables to picks.

Its a pretty generic discussion and would apply to lots of players too.


I think Isiah was the coach to get something out of Balk. Similar to Eddy Curry in 06-07 when Thomas was the coach, Thomas had a lot at stake in making Balk look worthy of the pick. Again, most mocks didn't even have Balkman getting selected in the second round. Isiah was widely criticized for the pick and put a lot into trying to make it look like a credible decision in my opinion.
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CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:You know, a lot depends on the team and the coach.

Phil Jax gets a lot out of the right kind of player. Its both coaching and the players the picks walk on to.

Look what Phil did with Reezy! Took the kid to another level.

Maybe Balky on the Lakers would have had a better result? Lots of variables to picks.

Its a pretty generic discussion and would apply to lots of players too.


I think Isiah was the coach to get something out of Balk. Similar to Eddy Curry in 06-07 when Thomas was the coach, Thomas had a lot at stake in making Balk look worthy of the pick. Again, most mocks didn't even have Balkman getting selected in the second round. Isiah was widely criticized for the pick and put a lot into trying to make it look like a credible decision in my opinion.

Exactly, that pick was a head scratcher all the way around..

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12/1/2011  7:21 AM
arkrud wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:

It's memories like this that make me miss the lockout already.

So they have the same number: "I-SUCK"

And the dwarf in the middle is thinking "I'm better right now than either one of these dopes"

Can we rehabilitate Balky?

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