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Nalod
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11/27/2011  9:52 AM
Uptown wrote:Seriously, Nalod, how long have you had this "Gallo" post in the chamber? About 149 days? Seconds after the lockout was lifted, **** the hammer and unload. Forget Gallo, I still miss Johnny Newman!!!

To quote the great street poet Nas, "Always forward I'm moving, never backwards stupid."

I was on ESPN.com and the europbasket page had the picture. So I posted it.

Well put, Yes, I'd rather have mello over gallo but not for the price we paid.

Yes I have moved on. Note my posts, not those of others........

Im a Gallo fan. He was relevant to knicks.

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11/27/2011  10:37 AM
Nalod wrote:Yes I have moved on. Note my posts, not those of others........

Im a Gallo fan. He was relevant to knicks.


When you started this thread, did you honestly expect people to think you have moved on? Did you honestly think this thread was not going to bring up the Melo trade?
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11/27/2011  2:47 PM
The kids progress is worth noting.

The redundant response is predicable but not my doing.

If following a player for 2.5 years and then the moment they are traded means "good riddance" or getting Melo means I have to love him right away then have at it.

Not my style.

When we traded Clyde I still followed him. No, Gallo is not Clyde by any stretch. Im an NBA fan

Gallo don't look like that young man any more.

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11/27/2011  4:47 PM
Nalod wrote:The kids progress is worth noting.

The redundant response is predicable but not my doing.

If following a player for 2.5 years and then the moment they are traded means "good riddance" or getting Melo means I have to love him right away then have at it.

Not my style.

When we traded Clyde I still followed him. No, Gallo is not Clyde by any stretch. Im an NBA fan

Gallo don't look like that young man any more.


You can post as much as you want about ex-Knicks. But you and I and every Knick fan knows that when you post about Gallo, it will provoke a post about the trade. While knowing that someone creating a Gallo thread hints they haven't moved on. That is all I was pointing out. I don't care either way, I am done talking about this.

Post away Nalod! Gallo does look like he is filling out.

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11/27/2011  5:00 PM
Also, I don't think it is required that Knick fans move on! We don't have to. I was just suggesting it because IMO, that will make the upcoming season a lot more fun.
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11/27/2011  5:04 PM
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Silverfuel wrote:I miss Gallo but I would not undo the trade. Carmelo Anthony is a much better player than Gallo.

is he better than gallo, chandler, moz, felton,picks and cap space combined? oh and the chance to go after a top notch PG with cap space to burn?

It's not that simple. Chandler went to China anyway so he won't even be in the NBA and New York got a better player than Felton back in Chauncey Billups. I didn't even mention the fact that they're still going to have the cap space to go after a top-flight point guard in the offseason.

So the real question is this. Is Melo worth Picks, Gallo and Moz? The answer to that is a resounding yes.

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11/28/2011  12:14 AM
y2zipper wrote:
tkf wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:I miss Gallo but I would not undo the trade. Carmelo Anthony is a much better player than Gallo.

is he better than gallo, chandler, moz, felton,picks and cap space combined? oh and the chance to go after a top notch PG with cap space to burn?

It's not that simple. Chandler went to China anyway so he won't even be in the NBA and New York got a better player than Felton back in Chauncey Billups. I didn't even mention the fact that they're still going to have the cap space to go after a top-flight point guard in the offseason.

So the real question is this. Is Melo worth Picks, Gallo and Moz? The answer to that is a resounding yes.

u took the words out of my mouth. Chandler ethered himself, because he apparently needed the money and could not wait. He's kicking himself right now.

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11/28/2011  3:04 AM
Yzippa and Killa, I think you are missing TKF's point. We could have had all the pieces still and been signing Melo as a free agent within 1 or 2 weeks. We could have then used some of those players in a Paul trade, maybe in the next two weeks if Chris Paul said the right things. At worst we could have had draft picks for the players and now we have Fields and Iman coming in as far as assets. Regardless, what I got from the Melo trade is that it was about Melo wanting security. All he had to do was wait, no matter what he said about uncertainty. I never got that, if you are interested in a championship, what difference is a few million on a labor deal when you are a star. It wasn't to win a championship on a now near gutted team. That said, I have a good feeling about Jorts and Iman. Think we will be ok, but no where near what we could have been. If I'm wrong I will admit to it but I still see us as a gutted team, especially if we trade for Paul.
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11/28/2011  7:33 AM
we overpaid... and anytime you overpay as time goes on the trade will look worse and worse. As Melo leads us to first and 2nd round exits with volume shooting and poor defense people will wonder if maybe, despite Melo's most glorious talent, this was a poor trade for the Knicks and will eventually come back to burn us.

Gallo will NEVER come back here. Why would you come to a classless organization like the Knicks? Who would ever want to play here for this ownership? Oh yea... Baron Davis. Thats who.

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11/28/2011  8:21 AM
fishmike wrote:we overpaid... and anytime you overpay as time goes on the trade will look worse and worse. As Melo leads us to first and 2nd round exits with volume shooting and poor defense people will wonder if maybe, despite Melo's most glorious talent, this was a poor trade for the Knicks and will eventually come back to burn us.

Gallo will NEVER come back here. Why would you come to a classless organization like the Knicks? Who would ever want to play here for this ownership? Oh yea... Baron Davis. Thats who.


You think there was a way to get Melo without giving up what we did? Cause it didn't seem like Melo was going to wait around for the off-season to sign here as a free agent.
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11/28/2011  8:32 AM
Potential. Melo is at his peak, Gallo and Moz still have upside and where they go will ultimately decide if the deal was good.

I hope The Moz gets a good opportunity to play. Gallo is still only 23.

This trade will take 5 years to fully evaluate.

We can argue this for years.

The league appears will try to reconstruct key match ups. Denver-NY will be interesting.

That makes for good entertainment!

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11/28/2011  9:34 AM
Silverfuel wrote:
fishmike wrote:we overpaid... and anytime you overpay as time goes on the trade will look worse and worse. As Melo leads us to first and 2nd round exits with volume shooting and poor defense people will wonder if maybe, despite Melo's most glorious talent, this was a poor trade for the Knicks and will eventually come back to burn us.

Gallo will NEVER come back here. Why would you come to a classless organization like the Knicks? Who would ever want to play here for this ownership? Oh yea... Baron Davis. Thats who.


You think there was a way to get Melo without giving up what we did? Cause it didn't seem like Melo was going to wait around for the off-season to sign here as a free agent.
and whats wrong with that? Im sorry... is Melo Kobe? Or Lebron? Or Wade? Melo is a top 20 player, not a top 10 player. He doesnt defend and if you follow his career pads his stats against very poor teams. He repeatedly is outplayed in the playoffs by the other teams star. I mean hell... we saw 34 year old Paul Pierce clearly get the best of Melo against the Celtics.

Melo is a really good player, but has he shown in this league he's worthy of a trade that guts your roster and future draft picks entirely? I dont think he has... Not with Amare already here.

If the Knicks were willing to give up 3-4 prospects, a 26 YO PG who was very good at both ends of the court, multiple future #1s they could have built a better squad than MElo/Amare and junk.

I dont like the trade for one simple reason. We put ALL our chips on Melo. We are stuck building around him and Amare for the next 3-4 years at least and that strikes me as a core that wont be competing for a title anytime soon.

If they get a healthy Chris Paul next season OK... I'll bite. Do you really see that?

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11/28/2011  11:15 AM
fishmike wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
fishmike wrote:we overpaid... and anytime you overpay as time goes on the trade will look worse and worse. As Melo leads us to first and 2nd round exits with volume shooting and poor defense people will wonder if maybe, despite Melo's most glorious talent, this was a poor trade for the Knicks and will eventually come back to burn us.

Gallo will NEVER come back here. Why would you come to a classless organization like the Knicks? Who would ever want to play here for this ownership? Oh yea... Baron Davis. Thats who.


You think there was a way to get Melo without giving up what we did? Cause it didn't seem like Melo was going to wait around for the off-season to sign here as a free agent.
and whats wrong with that? Im sorry... is Melo Kobe? Or Lebron? Or Wade? Melo is a top 20 player, not a top 10 player. He doesnt defend and if you follow his career pads his stats against very poor teams. He repeatedly is outplayed in the playoffs by the other teams star. I mean hell... we saw 34 year old Paul Pierce clearly get the best of Melo against the Celtics.

Melo is a really good player, but has he shown in this league he's worthy of a trade that guts your roster and future draft picks entirely? I dont think he has... Not with Amare already here.

If the Knicks were willing to give up 3-4 prospects, a 26 YO PG who was very good at both ends of the court, multiple future #1s they could have built a better squad than MElo/Amare and junk.

I dont like the trade for one simple reason. We put ALL our chips on Melo. We are stuck building around him and Amare for the next 3-4 years at least and that strikes me as a core that wont be competing for a title anytime soon.

If they get a healthy Chris Paul next season OK... I'll bite. Do you really see that?


I like this team more than last years team. I don't think last years team could bring us those 2nd round exits you talk about with disdain. I think we go further with this team.
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11/28/2011  11:36 AM
fishmike wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
fishmike wrote:we overpaid... and anytime you overpay as time goes on the trade will look worse and worse. As Melo leads us to first and 2nd round exits with volume shooting and poor defense people will wonder if maybe, despite Melo's most glorious talent, this was a poor trade for the Knicks and will eventually come back to burn us.

Gallo will NEVER come back here. Why would you come to a classless organization like the Knicks? Who would ever want to play here for this ownership? Oh yea... Baron Davis. Thats who.


You think there was a way to get Melo without giving up what we did? Cause it didn't seem like Melo was going to wait around for the off-season to sign here as a free agent.
and whats wrong with that? Im sorry... is Melo Kobe? Or Lebron? Or Wade? Melo is a top 20 player, not a top 10 player. He doesnt defend and if you follow his career pads his stats against very poor teams. He repeatedly is outplayed in the playoffs by the other teams star. I mean hell... we saw 34 year old Paul Pierce clearly get the best of Melo against the Celtics.

Melo is a really good player, but has he shown in this league he's worthy of a trade that guts your roster and future draft picks entirely? I dont think he has... Not with Amare already here.

If the Knicks were willing to give up 3-4 prospects, a 26 YO PG who was very good at both ends of the court, multiple future #1s they could have built a better squad than MElo/Amare and junk.

I dont like the trade for one simple reason. We put ALL our chips on Melo. We are stuck building around him and Amare for the next 3-4 years at least and that strikes me as a core that wont be competing for a title anytime soon.

If they get a healthy Chris Paul next season OK... I'll bite. Do you really see that?

Whether it happens or not, I would see building around this present core a much happier sight than contending for a title with Chandler, Moz, Gallo and Ray.

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11/28/2011  1:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/28/2011  1:37 PM
fishmike wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
fishmike wrote:we overpaid... and anytime you overpay as time goes on the trade will look worse and worse. As Melo leads us to first and 2nd round exits with volume shooting and poor defense people will wonder if maybe, despite Melo's most glorious talent, this was a poor trade for the Knicks and will eventually come back to burn us.

Gallo will NEVER come back here. Why would you come to a classless organization like the Knicks? Who would ever want to play here for this ownership? Oh yea... Baron Davis. Thats who.


You think there was a way to get Melo without giving up what we did? Cause it didn't seem like Melo was going to wait around for the off-season to sign here as a free agent.
and whats wrong with that? Im sorry... is Melo Kobe? Or Lebron? Or Wade? Melo is a top 20 player, not a top 10 player. He doesnt defend and if you follow his career pads his stats against very poor teams. He repeatedly is outplayed in the playoffs by the other teams star. I mean hell... we saw 34 year old Paul Pierce clearly get the best of Melo against the Celtics.

Melo is a really good player, but has he shown in this league he's worthy of a trade that guts your roster and future draft picks entirely? I dont think he has... Not with Amare already here.

If the Knicks were willing to give up 3-4 prospects, a 26 YO PG who was very good at both ends of the court, multiple future #1s they could have built a better squad than MElo/Amare and junk.

I dont like the trade for one simple reason. We put ALL our chips on Melo. We are stuck building around him and Amare for the next 3-4 years at least and that strikes me as a core that wont be competing for a title anytime soon.

If they get a healthy Chris Paul next season OK... I'll bite. Do you really see that?

Carmelo Anthony is a very very good basketball player.

He is Kiki, Aguire, King, Glen Rice and Big dogg,

....but "MELO" is a star.

Stars in NY.

Fans love stars. Stars like to see other stars.

Fans love to be in the same building with stars.

It sells tickets.

I hope to hell I am dead wrong and he is all world best player and leads the knicks to the promise land!

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11/28/2011  1:41 PM
Melo is a very, very good player. He is in the same level as Kiki, Aguire, King, Glen Rice, Big Dog, Dominique, Barkley, Ewing. He needs a couple of players with him to go to the ship that are in same level. Not like Bird, MJ, Magic and the like where they make other players better.

I hated the trade. We paid too much. I also liked the kids....but...

I am a Knick fan. I think they can make this work. They just need a Center and a PG. I know...easier said than done but one can only hope.

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11/28/2011  4:35 PM
Nalod wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
fishmike wrote:we overpaid... and anytime you overpay as time goes on the trade will look worse and worse. As Melo leads us to first and 2nd round exits with volume shooting and poor defense people will wonder if maybe, despite Melo's most glorious talent, this was a poor trade for the Knicks and will eventually come back to burn us.

Gallo will NEVER come back here. Why would you come to a classless organization like the Knicks? Who would ever want to play here for this ownership? Oh yea... Baron Davis. Thats who.


You think there was a way to get Melo without giving up what we did? Cause it didn't seem like Melo was going to wait around for the off-season to sign here as a free agent.
and whats wrong with that? Im sorry... is Melo Kobe? Or Lebron? Or Wade? Melo is a top 20 player, not a top 10 player. He doesnt defend and if you follow his career pads his stats against very poor teams. He repeatedly is outplayed in the playoffs by the other teams star. I mean hell... we saw 34 year old Paul Pierce clearly get the best of Melo against the Celtics.

Melo is a really good player, but has he shown in this league he's worthy of a trade that guts your roster and future draft picks entirely? I dont think he has... Not with Amare already here.

If the Knicks were willing to give up 3-4 prospects, a 26 YO PG who was very good at both ends of the court, multiple future #1s they could have built a better squad than MElo/Amare and junk.

I dont like the trade for one simple reason. We put ALL our chips on Melo. We are stuck building around him and Amare for the next 3-4 years at least and that strikes me as a core that wont be competing for a title anytime soon.

If they get a healthy Chris Paul next season OK... I'll bite. Do you really see that?

Carmelo Anthony is a very very good basketball player.

He is Kiki, Aguire, King, Glen Rice and Big dogg,

....but "MELO" is a star.

Stars in NY.

Fans love stars. Stars like to see other stars.

Fans love to be in the same building with stars.

It sells tickets.

I hope to hell I am dead wrong and he is all world best player and leads the knicks to the promise land!

I get your infatuation with Gallo...I have to ask...Do you really believe Gallo and Moz could have led the Knicks deep into the playoffs at any point in their careers?...As true contenders?...

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11/29/2011  1:07 AM
I miss Gallo.

I was way too young for the early part of Ewings career. Would love to see the Knicks develop a star player from start to finish. I was emotionally invested in the guy, but I suppose the trade had to get made.

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11/29/2011  1:23 AM
holfresh wrote:
Nalod wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
fishmike wrote:we overpaid... and anytime you overpay as time goes on the trade will look worse and worse. As Melo leads us to first and 2nd round exits with volume shooting and poor defense people will wonder if maybe, despite Melo's most glorious talent, this was a poor trade for the Knicks and will eventually come back to burn us.

Gallo will NEVER come back here. Why would you come to a classless organization like the Knicks? Who would ever want to play here for this ownership? Oh yea... Baron Davis. Thats who.


You think there was a way to get Melo without giving up what we did? Cause it didn't seem like Melo was going to wait around for the off-season to sign here as a free agent.
and whats wrong with that? Im sorry... is Melo Kobe? Or Lebron? Or Wade? Melo is a top 20 player, not a top 10 player. He doesnt defend and if you follow his career pads his stats against very poor teams. He repeatedly is outplayed in the playoffs by the other teams star. I mean hell... we saw 34 year old Paul Pierce clearly get the best of Melo against the Celtics.

Melo is a really good player, but has he shown in this league he's worthy of a trade that guts your roster and future draft picks entirely? I dont think he has... Not with Amare already here.

If the Knicks were willing to give up 3-4 prospects, a 26 YO PG who was very good at both ends of the court, multiple future #1s they could have built a better squad than MElo/Amare and junk.

I dont like the trade for one simple reason. We put ALL our chips on Melo. We are stuck building around him and Amare for the next 3-4 years at least and that strikes me as a core that wont be competing for a title anytime soon.

If they get a healthy Chris Paul next season OK... I'll bite. Do you really see that?

Carmelo Anthony is a very very good basketball player.

He is Kiki, Aguire, King, Glen Rice and Big dogg,

....but "MELO" is a star.

Stars in NY.

Fans love stars. Stars like to see other stars.

Fans love to be in the same building with stars.

It sells tickets.

I hope to hell I am dead wrong and he is all world best player and leads the knicks to the promise land!

I get your infatuation with Gallo...I have to ask...Do you really believe Gallo and Moz could have led the Knicks deep into the playoffs at any point in their careers?...As true contenders?...


HOl,

Read this by Vescey and thought it was timely to todays rants...........

Welcoming Back N.B.A. With Open Yawns
By GEORGE VECSEY
How are people reacting to the end of the N.B.A. lockout?

Tepidly, I would say, judging from a quick swath of television interviews over the weekend. Even men in the playground, shooting hoops, professed ambiguity over the return of the rich guys.

Then again, maybe it was the warm weather in the Northeast. People were outdoors, feeling good, not thinking ahead to being cooped up inside and needing diversions on the tube when winter finally arrives.

Or maybe it is hard to be worked up over yet another sport when there is such a creepy pall spreading from Penn State football and Syracuse men’s basketball. The depravity oozing out from those two Northeastern hotbeds — you should pardon the expression — is not going away any time soon.

Meantime, we have our diversions, as the N.B.A. prepares to certify a shortened season starting on Christmas Day and lasting into June.

That leaves plenty of time for all right-thinking fans to unite in true continental sporting teamwork, anticipating LeBron James’s tossing up bricks in the final month of spring.

Every franchise in the N.B.A. will have its own reaction to the end of the lockout. In the New York region, we have two teams, but so much else going on that it’s hard to get worked up over a revival of pro basketball.

My first flittering reaction was what scientists might call a false positive. I couldn’t remember why, but I found myself harboring a vague fondness for the Knicks. I had an impression of alert young players moving the ball, setting up Amar’e Stoudemire, playing the heady basketball we claim we like in New York.

But then I remembered I was wasting nostalgia on a team that was blown up last Feb. 21. That team does not exist anymore, since the big trade of four rotation players, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler and Timofey Mozgov; a first-round pick in 2014; and second-round picks in 2012 and 2013 to Denver, in return for Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups.

The Knicks had a 28-26 record when, as far as I can reason, the Madison Square Garden chairman, James L. Dolan, engineered the trade, ignoring the builder instincts of his president, Donnie Walsh, who has since been relegated to consultancy.

Now it all comes back to me. Billups, a wise old head, was in charge of getting the ball to Anthony, who could not waste his time playing defense because he needed to shoot every time down the court. Stoudemire’s body pretty much wore down by springtime. The Knicks had a 14-14 record after the trade, then lost four straight to the Boston Celtics in the first round of the playoffs.

We are told that the Knicks’ moves cannot be judged until next season, when the team might afford the salary-cap maneuvers and sign a younger star point guard. So much for this season, now looming over us. My euphoria faded fast.

I had a vague recollection that I also liked the Nets, the other team in the New York metropolitan region. But the more I thought about it, my momentary reaction was based upon their brief era of glory, when they reached the finals two years in a row in the springs of 2002 and 2003. They were really fun to watch, with Jason Kidd making everybody better, but that team has not existed for many years.

My flicker of enthusiasm for the Nets included their move from that dismal spot in the swamps into that struggling, but recognizable, urban center, Newark. Next year they will move into a much more vibrant place — the land grab near downtown Brooklyn being a separate issue. Just the mention of Brooklyn evokes the scent of restaurants and walks in cool neighborhoods.

Then reality struck. Quick, I said to myself, name one player on the Nets. There’s the guy whose marriage to one of the Kardashians was shorter than the lockout itself. Hey, Kris, what did you do during the off-season? That guy. And didn’t they make a trade for Deron Williams, who has been keeping his shooting arm warm by playing in Turkey? And Brook Lopez. I envisioned him, too.

But just like the Knicks, the Nets seem to be a year away from anything.

Do we really need the N.B.A. to come back this soon? The N.F.L. will dominate the tube until the end of January. If we can get Penn State and Syracuse out of our nostrils — no sure thing — then we have college football into January and college basketball for four more months. The best soccer in the world has become a multiple-network reality in this region. We still have three hockey teams in our area. And call it habit, but on these long, dark evenings, I feel the urge to hit the clicker just to get the Yankees and Mets scores. Won’t be long now.

The N.B.A. players and owners may have demonstrated their irrelevancy. In the first days since the tentative labor agreement, vox populi seems to be reacting to the 66-game schedule by asking: That long, huh?

E-mail: geovec@nytimes.com

Maybe it was not the players, maybe it was the type of ball that was being played and it was fun to watch. Then the trade happened and expectations were raised, and I got grumpy knowing it could never be met in the short run. While many cheered the new star, the actual product on the floor was not worthy.

Can't tell me otherwise.

The potential is there. We cheer potential now?

Over the next few months it will all reveal itself on the court. I'll be cheering and watching just like many of starphuching idol worshippers and if it falls short there is always hope of the next superstar to join the mix.

No, Gallo and Moz might not have been the end all, but it was fun, it enthusiastic and it was uncertain. Its ok to be uncertain in my book.

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11/29/2011  2:11 AM
fishmike wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
fishmike wrote:we overpaid... and anytime you overpay as time goes on the trade will look worse and worse. As Melo leads us to first and 2nd round exits with volume shooting and poor defense people will wonder if maybe, despite Melo's most glorious talent, this was a poor trade for the Knicks and will eventually come back to burn us.

Gallo will NEVER come back here. Why would you come to a classless organization like the Knicks? Who would ever want to play here for this ownership? Oh yea... Baron Davis. Thats who.


You think there was a way to get Melo without giving up what we did? Cause it didn't seem like Melo was going to wait around for the off-season to sign here as a free agent.
and whats wrong with that? Im sorry... is Melo Kobe? Or Lebron? Or Wade? Melo is a top 20 player, not a top 10 player. He doesnt defend and if you follow his career pads his stats against very poor teams. He repeatedly is outplayed in the playoffs by the other teams star. I mean hell... we saw 34 year old Paul Pierce clearly get the best of Melo against the Celtics.

Melo is a really good player, but has he shown in this league he's worthy of a trade that guts your roster and future draft picks entirely? I dont think he has... Not with Amare already here.

If the Knicks were willing to give up 3-4 prospects, a 26 YO PG who was very good at both ends of the court, multiple future #1s they could have built a better squad than MElo/Amare and junk.

I dont like the trade for one simple reason. We put ALL our chips on Melo. We are stuck building around him and Amare for the next 3-4 years at least and that strikes me as a core that wont be competing for a title anytime soon.

If they get a healthy Chris Paul next season OK... I'll bite. Do you really see that?

+500 fish.. I said this over and over again.. Impatience on the knicks part and hey the fans cosigned this deal.. they saw melo and was only thinking we are almost there to having our own "big 3" another ridiculous idea if you ask me...

I am not a deron williams fan, but even he would have been a much better fit....

what I don't understand, is that we got amare.. I am happy with that..then the fans said we need melo.. Ok, we gut our team.. now we need another max player to make it all work? LOL.. really? I thought max players were franchise players... I mean how many do you need to win?


i am on the record as not liking the melo trade.. I protested the trade.. still do....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF

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